Breakthrough - Kung Lao [EO Beta Closed] Kung Lao Beta Changes Discussion

[FROST_]

thank you this is all im saying. lao's offense is pretty straight forward he's never hitting you with any surprises. as you pointed out.. the rest of the cast are getting all these buffs and more dirt. and with the other changes that may get implemented in the game just makes it a lot worse. there is a lot of catering going on.

I heard dvorah gets nerfed and no buffs atleast Lao was top 5 for awhile

 

[Cameronwinss]

This is hilarious. Kung Lao loses 5 frames on a move but at the end of the day is still +7.. Uproar because he can no longer get a guaranteed D4 so hes "dead".

Meanwhile resident Quan down player... Mr. Dink is over there looking at his old +14 EX Rune that's knocked down to -1,guaranteeing nothing and an immediate pressure switch and for once he's like "yeah this is fine"

So a D4 isn't guaranteed anymore... it's not the end of the world. Kung Lao probably won't be #1 anymore, does that mean he won't still be good? Hell no, he'll still be near the top. And we still don't know what happened to Tanya, Tremor and Predator, but it's pretty safe to say they'll get knocked a bit too. So before you guys jump around saying he's dead, you might want to see if Tanya gets actually neutered and then maybe you'll be happy Lao only got hit this much.

Oh my fucking I want to give you all the praise and all of my money.

 

[Big Pampering]

Tempest nerfs were a bit much. Making ex hat spin+7 alone is already a big change. His damage didn't need a 3/4% nerf, 2% would have been enough.

The jump 2 nerf also affects his other variations which is stupid if they dont get stuff in return. Buzzsaw gets low damage and hat trick obviously wasnt that good to begin with.

 

[biggabarr]

has this video been already posted here? New buffs for Kung Lao
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

lol haaaahaammmm

 

[Desperdicio]

The funniest part is all these day one downplayer girls commenting on this thread. Easy to talk shit when your character only keeps getting better. GTFO

 

[Goat-City]

Yes he has. The first one? Understandable the second? Alright I'll live. But the third time? Talk about catering....

He currently gets 42% midscreen for a bar off a safe, barely reactable, long range overhead into massive corner carry into a hard knockdown into an armor breaking setup into ridiculous unreactable armor breaking stagger pressure which he will use to do at least 10% more chip damage and possibly build back the bar he spent lol. You Tempest downplayers are something else. The only problem with a 3% damage nerf is that the 44 link is still inconsistent, which they should fix. It doesn't matter how many times his damage was nerfed before, it's still too high for what he gets out of this variation.

 

[XxDark_]

He currently gets 42% midscreen for a bar off a safe, barely reactable, long range overhead into massive corner carry into a hard knockdown into an armor breaking setup into ridiculous unreactable armor breaking stagger pressure which he will use to do at least 10% more chip damage and possibly build back the bar he spent lol. You Tempest downplayers are something else. The only problem with a 3% damage nerf is that the 44 link is still inconsistent, which they should fix. It doesn't matter how many times his damage was nerfed before, it's still too high for what he gets out of this variation.

so answer this 1 question..is it ok for other characters to keep the same things you just mentioned above but they just do it in a different way?

 

[xMEECH]

How did JI2 get nerfed? Is it slower? Less hit/block adv?

Also ex spin sucking you in on block. Lol.

+7 for a bar with pushback... Who is going to respect that? D1 gets out of that free. Anyone know the cool down on his hat? Even if he connects a F2 he might not be able to hit confirm into anything because of the cool down.

I'd be fine with more damage scaling off 44 if DB1 had better plus frames on hit.

Kung Lao is still really strong and completely viable but this version compared to the current (non-beta) roster isn't Top 5 anymore. Nothing is guaranteed, you have to make way more guesses, but that's the meta I guess.

Really want some hat trick and buzz saw changes/buffs. Just compare hat trick to Ronin and you can see all the ways it could improve.

 

[thlityoursloat]

About time. Now give every character a universal fatality where he shove his hat up his booty cheeks and he'll be perfect.

 

[Goat-City]

so answer this 1 question..is it ok for other characters to keep the same things you just mentioned above but they just do it in a different way?

Depends on what else they have. Sorcerer Quan gets almost all of that exactly but he has no armored wakeup. I'd have no problem with Tempest's current damage into setups if he lost armor on EX spin, but that would be slightly too much and it wouldn't make sense, so he's gotta lose damage. If he got the same damage with half the corner carry and no hkd then it'd be fine too. It's all relative. GM Sub does low midscreen damage with the same corner carry but no safe clone setup. That's 2 top tier characters who have similar tools but sacrifice a lot to get them while Lao doesn't, and I still say both GM and Sorcerer need slight damage nerfs too despite this.

 

[themanDan]

The Kung Lao tears are going to flood TYM.

 

[thlityoursloat]

I'll ask this question , what is the purpose of meter burn hat-spin now that it is +7? ; why would any one spend a meter to do that , in a game where there are 6 frames normals and armor moves , what advantage does it give to Lao ?, when all of Lao normal starts at 8 up to 19frames , Kung Lao is definitely high risk low rewards, no 50/50 mix up , no pressure , and no damage , so Lao is now a N Tier character (NERF TIER) ..

Poor Lao players, you actually have to make reads now.

 

[XxDark_]

Depends on what else they have. Sorcerer Quan gets almost all of that exactly but he has no armored wakeup. I'd have no problem with Tempest's current damage into setups if he lost armor on EX spin, but that would be slightly too much and it wouldn't make sense, so he's gotta lose damage. If he got the same damage with half the corner carry and no hkd then it'd be fine too. It's all relative. GM Sub does low midscreen damage with the same corner carry but no hard knockdown or safe clone setup. That's 2 top tier characters who have similar tools but sacrifice a lot to get them while Lao doesn't, and I still say both GM and Sorcerer need slight damage nerfs too despite this.

ok cool so you seem to get the point that your character cant have It all which is fine and Im not against lao nerfs, its just that the nerfs he received wasn't it. and in no way am I a down player. every character I play I have thought of reasonable nerfs for them if they had a lot going for them...but I think you get the point here.

 

[XxDark_]

Poor Lao players, you actually have to make reads now.

we still have to make reads now. so what are you saying ?

 

[Wigy]

what inbalance?

His damage off 44 was too high.

 

[yucking]

His damage off 44 was too high.

 

[ninjutsubreh]

lao is still a top 4-7 (pending nerfs for other top 3 characters) with all these nerfs, so entitled

 

[Sirius Jones]

Depends on what else they have. Sorcerer Quan gets almost all of that exactly but he has no armored wakeup. I'd have no problem with Tempest's current damage into setups if he lost armor on EX spin, but that would be slightly too much and it wouldn't make sense, so he's gotta lose damage. If he got the same damage with half the corner carry and no hkd then it'd be fine too. It's all relative. GM Sub does low midscreen damage with the same corner carry but no safe clone setup. That's 2 top tier characters who have similar tools but sacrifice a lot to get them while Lao doesn't, and I still say both GM and Sorcerer need slight damage nerfs too despite this.

well kung lao does't have the best armour move.He has the best ex punish yes but amror no becuae it loses to other amrour moves.Cryo Sub does just as much if not more then tempest kung lao.GM is about damge its about setup.Cryo is about damge just like tempset

 

[The Celebrity]

ok cool so you seem to get the point that your character cant have It all which is fine and Im not against lao nerfs, its just that the nerfs he received wasn't it. and in no way am I a down player. every character I play I have thought of reasonable nerfs for them if they had a lot going for them...but I think you get the point here.

Man.. what you've been saying on the past several pages... You're one of the biggest downplayers I've seen. Your character was universally known as the #1 character in the game, and these nerfs overall seem pretty reasonable. Hold your L and learn from this.

 

[jokey77]

ABSOLUTELY STUPID NERF IS MAKING EX HAT +7... REALLY? NOW YOU SPEND ONE FUCKING BAR FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED AFTER EX HAT NOW. CHARACTERS WITH 6-8 FR NORMALS WHEN THEY NOT HAVE METER CAN INTERRUPTE B321 AFTER EX HAT NOW, ITS FUCKING STUPID B321 ALREADY HAVE FUCKING GAP SO DOES F23, F21, 112124...
NOW YOU JUST SPEND THE FUCKING ONE BAR AND ONLY OPTION YOU CAN DO IF OPONENT DOESNT HAVE A METER IS F2 AND YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT HITCONFIRMING F2... LAO IS CHARACTER THAT DOESNT HAVE MIX UPS, AND ALSO LACK OF FAST NORMALS... WHATS WRONG WITH NRS? AND NERFING DAMAGE AFTER LINK..... NERFING EX HAT +7 AND NERFING DAMAGE ON 44 OH AND EX SPIN SUCK YOU ON BLOCK... IS ABSOLUTELY UNECESSARY NERFS!
HE WAS FINE WITH +12 AND DAMAGE, ONLY UNFAIR TOOL THAT HE HAD IS J2, THEY JUST SHOULDVE NERFED J2 THATS ALL .

IM REALLY HOPED THEY BUFFING HIM IN GENERAL, GIVING HIM VERY FAST NORMALS AND MORE USEFULL STRINGS LIKE
6 FR S1, 8 FR 11, 8 FR B1 -4, 13 FR B3, 10 FR F2, 12 FR F3 -2, 11 FR F4 -6, FIXING WHIFF PROBLEMS IN B1, B12, REMOVING GAPS IN F23 AND F34 BUT NERFING EX HAT +10, REG HAT -5 , NERFING HIS DAMAGE BUT NOT AFTER LINK, NERFING J2 WOULD BE REASONABLE AND THAT WOULD HELP TO ALL VARIATIONS .
AND EVEN IF LAO GETS FAST NORMALS HE WOULD STILL SUCK IN TEMPEST IF EX HAT STAY +7...

AFTER THAT NERFS NO ONE TRUE LAO MAIN CANT WIN A TOURNAMENT OR MAKE TOP 8 NOW... OH WAIT EVEN ON LAST 3 BIG TOURNAMENTS NO ONE TRUE LAO MAIN DIDNT WIN OR MAKE TOP 8, ITS NOT BECAUSE LAO PLAYERS IS BAD ITS BECAUSE IS KUNG LAO IS OVERRATED AF! TOP 1 BLA BLA BLA... NO BAD MATCH UPS BLA BLA BLA...
AFTER THIS NERFS LAO MAINS IN THE FUTURE AT BIG TOURNAMENTS CANT EVEN MAKE IT OUT OF POOLS .

RAIDEN GETS A VERY LITTLE BUFFS SO DOES KENSHI, LAO GETS A COUPLE UNECESSARY NERFS... BUT THEY BUFFED SHITANA AGAIN, JAX AND DIDNT NERFED STUPID TAKEDA. NOW LAO HAS TWO OR MORE 7-3 MATCHUPS KITANA IS DEF 7-3 NOW, JAX IS 7-3 NOW, TAKEDA RONIN 7-3 TOO... BALANCED GAME SHOULD NOT HAVE A FUCKING 7-3 MATCHUPS YOU FUCKING FOOLS!
FUCK THIS GAME! I HOPE THIS GAME IS DIED VERY SOON WITH THAT ANNOYING BITCHES KITANA, MILEENA, CASSIE, JACQUI, DVORA, TANYA, STUPID LIT BITCH TAKEDA, STUPID FARTING AND PUKING BO RAI CHO... FUCK THIS GAME!!!
FUCK THIS STUPID GAME! FUCK YOU BITCHES, HATERS, CRYBABIES, FUCK ALL OF YOU!

THIS! I LOVE YOU! I LITERALLY LOVE YOU! THIS IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE.

 

[Goat-City]

well kung lao does't have the best armour move.He has the best ex punish yes but amror no becuae it loses to other amrour moves.Cryo Sub does just as much if not more then tempest kung lao.GM is about damge its about setup.Cryo is about damge just like tempset

Why are you posting like you know what you're talking about? I can't even bother to correct this nonsense.

 

[DDutchguy]

well kung lao does't have the best armour move.He has the best ex punish yes but amror no becuae it loses to other amrour moves.Cryo Sub does just as much if not more then tempest kung lao.GM is about damge its about setup.Cryo is about damge just like tempset

EX-spin losing to other armored moves on occasion I'll give you. The armor probably doesn't last very long because of how fast it is. Even still EX-spin is a 7-frame wakeup and reversal that leads to seriously good damage.

Cryo is a 50/50 variation, Lao does not have one. Cryo is very rarely +, Lao has + frames to work with. Cryo does not have actual pressure besides the 50/50, Lao has pressure and staggers aplenty. This is not a good comparison.

 

[Groove Heaven]

So I made a thread a couple days ago asking what would be fair nerfs to tone Tempest down a little bit, and the general consensus was to normalize j2 and possibly orbiting hat. I agree with the j2 nerf but I think the orbiting hat +7 and 44 link damage nerf are overkill.

People are saying the hat spin into 44 link does less, but does it do the same linking into f23? Increasing the scaling on hat spin was one of my ideas in that thread but after thinking about it and playing him online I think it's too much and I hope they didn't do that.

The TYM drama queens are out here, though.

 

[SylverRye]

I'm guessing 3 more patches. The beta changes to be implemented on March 1st, another patch a month or so later to fix the dlc characters cause god knows they'll be broke, and some final touches to finish off the game with it's last patch.

No more patches after kp2. Paulo said this will be the last patch for mkx after the dlc is out. When we asked what will happen if the dlc is broken he said they may release small updates to fix that if they have the time. Basically what we get now is what we get forever unless something is insanely broken.

 

[OnlineSkunk]

All noobs will be eating GM Sub Zero for days now in this new netcode, Tom Brady tech still works. I'm projecting this character will be 10x more devastating than any of the current top tiers (If they get nerfed as expected), I just started learning GM now in the beta and I can already see how good this character will be with just around 2 hours using of him on both version combined. Loving that 16% safe low starter midscreen damage , who will stop this carnage???... Nobody breh you can nerf the character but you can't nerf the players