Breakthrough - Kung Lao [EO Beta Closed] Kung Lao Beta Changes Discussion

[jokey77]

I love this thread! And I didn't even read most of it!

 

[XxDark_]

Man.. what you've been saying on the past several pages... You're one of the biggest downplayers I've seen. Your character was universally known as the #1 character in the game, and these nerfs overall seem pretty reasonable. Hold your L and learn from this.

I know why you would think these nerfs are reasonable. But I'm not gonna go there. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion. So it's cool

 

[SylverRye]

Shits DEAD. it does nothing he can't even air to air anymore

Yeah i was anti airing that ji2 clean online. Its slow and the hitbox is reduced, its not scary anymore for sure

 

[dennycascade]

So is it a joke in here or did j2 actually get nerfed? I can't tell if you guys are being serious. Also again, can anyone confirm whether or lao still gets a guaranteed 11[212] meaty armor break after every corner throw?

 

[RexyWrecks]

Can you update the original post with changes made to buzzsaw as well?

 

[Tweedy]

People comparing Lao losing frames, to Quan losing frames, know nothing about this game. Seriously, dead lord.

 

[WiseM0nkey]

So is it a joke in here or did j2 actually get nerfed? I can't tell if you guys are being serious. Also again, can anyone confirm whether or lao still gets a guaranteed 11[212] meaty armor break after every corner throw?

throw doesnt guarantee an armour break in the corner even now. unless it's booty armor

 

[just_2swift]

Can you update the original post with changes made to buzzsaw as well?

What are the buzz saw changes?

 

[Tweedy]

And it's not because Lao is worse than Quan, or whatever.

Lao's offense, is his block pressure. He doesn't have crazy 50/50s, he has a good neutral, but not the best. Lao losing significant frames on his EX hat, would be more comparable to Quan's low bat being changed to a mid, or something like that.

And yes, 5 frames are significant. Since nothing jails anymore, there's no way to check anyone. Also, you will never be able to follow up with his main block strings, B321, and 11212, anymore. Why is no one pointing this out? This is huge. B3 gets poked out of by anything that's 8 frames or less. 11 will get low profiled by any poke. This is a HUGE nerf.

The mind game that leads to throws or hits is much less advantageous now. Remember, this is Lao's offense, he doesn't start with a 50/50 that goes into the EX hat. He either gets a hit or throw out of it. Before he was so beastly because this mind game was soooooooo in his favor, now it's more of a 50/50 mind game, making him a significantly worse character.

Quan's plus rune, is just dirt on top of his offense. Not his main offense.

Edit: Please don't take this as me saying he's dead. Imo he's right in that A-A+ range where all characters should be. Just pointing out why these nerfs are pretty big. I see people acting like they're nothing. Plz

 

[KillThGovernment]

Not going to lie, I feel sorry for you guys, I didn't want lao to get nerfed. He was fine as he was, hell I thought all the top tiers were fair and balanced and the only changes that were needed was that the low tiers needed buffs

You did this, its all your fault

 

[WiseM0nkey]

And it's not because Lao is worse than Quan, or whatever.

Lao's offense, is his block pressure. He doesn't have crazy 50/50s, he has a good neutral, but not the best. Lao losing significant frames on his EX hat, would be more comparable to Quan's low bat being changed to a mid, or something like that.

And yes, 5 frames are significant. Since nothing jails anymore, there's no way to check anyone. Also, you will never be able to follow up with his main block strings, B321, and 11212, anymore. Why is no one pointing this out? This is huge. B3 gets poked out of by anything that's 8 frames or less. 11 will get low profiled by any poke. This is a HUGE nerf.

The mind game that leads to throws or hits is much less advantageous now. Remember, this is Lao's offense, he doesn't start with a 50/50 that goes into the EX hat. He either gets a hit or throw out of it. Before he was so beastly because this mind game was soooooooo in his favor, now it's more of a 50/50 mind game, making him a significantly worse character.

Quan's plus rune, is just dirt on top of his offense. Not his main offense.

Edit: Please don't take this as me saying he's dead. Imo he's right in that A-A+ range where all characters should be. Just pointing out why these nerfs are pretty big. I see people acting like they're nothing. Plz

i feel like repeating myself, but i've been pointing out the exact same things for about 10 pages to the same ppl.

EDIT: i mean the fact that everything he would not be able to follow up with his main strings...

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

You did this, its all your fault

You brought this upon yourselves by having a reasonable top tier

 

[themanDan]

ABSOLUTELY STUPID NERF IS MAKING EX HAT +7... REALLY? NOW YOU SPEND ONE FUCKING BAR FOR ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. NOTHING IS GUARANTEED AFTER EX HAT NOW. CHARACTERS WITH 6-8 FR NORMALS WHEN THEY NOT HAVE METER CAN INTERRUPTE B321 AFTER EX HAT NOW, ITS FUCKING STUPID B321 ALREADY HAVE FUCKING GAP SO DOES F23, F21, 112124...
NOW YOU JUST SPEND THE FUCKING ONE BAR AND ONLY OPTION YOU CAN DO IF OPONENT DOESNT HAVE A METER IS F2 AND YOU ALL PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT HITCONFIRMING F2... LAO IS CHARACTER THAT DOESNT HAVE MIX UPS, AND ALSO LACK OF FAST NORMALS... WHATS WRONG WITH NRS? AND NERFING DAMAGE AFTER LINK..... NERFING EX HAT +7 AND NERFING DAMAGE ON 44 OH AND EX SPIN SUCK YOU ON BLOCK... IS ABSOLUTELY UNECESSARY NERFS!
HE WAS FINE WITH +12 AND DAMAGE, ONLY UNFAIR TOOL THAT HE HAD IS J2, THEY JUST SHOULDVE NERFED J2 THATS ALL .

IM REALLY HOPED THEY BUFFING HIM IN GENERAL, GIVING HIM VERY FAST NORMALS AND MORE USEFULL STRINGS LIKE
6 FR S1, 8 FR 11, 8 FR B1 -4, 13 FR B3, 10 FR F2, 12 FR F3 -2, 11 FR F4 -6, FIXING WHIFF PROBLEMS IN B1, B12, REMOVING GAPS IN F23 AND F34 BUT NERFING EX HAT +10, REG HAT -5 , NERFING HIS DAMAGE BUT NOT AFTER LINK, NERFING J2 WOULD BE REASONABLE AND THAT WOULD HELP TO ALL VARIATIONS .
AND EVEN IF LAO GETS FAST NORMALS HE WOULD STILL SUCK IN TEMPEST IF EX HAT STAY +7...

AFTER THAT NERFS NO ONE TRUE LAO MAIN CANT WIN A TOURNAMENT OR MAKE TOP 8 NOW... OH WAIT EVEN ON LAST 3 BIG TOURNAMENTS NO ONE TRUE LAO MAIN DIDNT WIN OR MAKE TOP 8, ITS NOT BECAUSE LAO PLAYERS IS BAD ITS BECAUSE IS KUNG LAO IS OVERRATED AF! TOP 1 BLA BLA BLA... NO BAD MATCH UPS BLA BLA BLA...
AFTER THIS NERFS LAO MAINS IN THE FUTURE AT BIG TOURNAMENTS CANT EVEN MAKE IT OUT OF POOLS .

RAIDEN GETS A VERY LITTLE BUFFS SO DOES KENSHI, LAO GETS A COUPLE UNECESSARY NERFS... BUT THEY BUFFED SHITANA AGAIN, JAX AND DIDNT NERFED STUPID TAKEDA. NOW LAO HAS TWO OR MORE 7-3 MATCHUPS KITANA IS DEF 7-3 NOW, JAX IS 7-3 NOW, TAKEDA RONIN 7-3 TOO... BALANCED GAME SHOULD NOT HAVE A FUCKING 7-3 MATCHUPS YOU FUCKING FOOLS!
FUCK THIS GAME! I HOPE THIS GAME IS DIED VERY SOON WITH THAT ANNOYING BITCHES KITANA, MILEENA, CASSIE, JACQUI, DVORA, TANYA, STUPID LIT BITCH TAKEDA, STUPID FARTING AND PUKING BO RAI CHO... FUCK THIS GAME!!!
FUCK THIS STUPID GAME! FUCK YOU BITCHES, HATERS, CRYBABIES, FUCK ALL OF YOU!

^ How not to act.

 

[I AM MOSSBERG]

I believe we all share the same beliefs that making ex-hat spin +7 is a true definition of unfairly receiving "the hammer". Against a casual player, +7 is perfect and Lao remains top tier BUT, against a good player, +7 forces me to block after wasting a bar...not fair.

Anyhow, I am working on a Erron Black and Kano as an alternative. I do not believe the "new" Lao can beat either of them at the highest level.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

I believe we all share the same beliefs that making ex-hat spin +7 is a true definition of unfairly receiving "the hammer". Against a casual player, +7 is perfect and Lao remains top tier BUT, against a good player, +7 forces me to block after wasting a bar...not fair.

Anyhow, I am working on a Erron Black and Kano as an alternative. I do not believe the "new" Lao can beat either of them at the highest level.

He still beats erron cmon

 

[ShaolinGunFu]

I present to you the kind of people who main the best character in a game and then freak out when the character is normalized

I bet some of you were fellow raiden mains who left him post patch as the rest of us adapted

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Lao is still gonna be okay, but some of you guys need to understand that he will not be the same beast he once was.

 

[Carl]

So i dont want to change character as i love using lao and been using him for a long time though how can i utilize his +7 hat with pushback?
IMO it seems like a waste to use so not to mention gaps all over the place.

 

[RexyWrecks]

And it's not because Lao is worse than Quan, or whatever.

Lao's offense, is his block pressure. He doesn't have crazy 50/50s, he has a good neutral, but not the best. Lao losing significant frames on his EX hat, would be more comparable to Quan's low bat being changed to a mid, or something like that.

And yes, 5 frames are significant. Since nothing jails anymore, there's no way to check anyone. Also, you will never be able to follow up with his main block strings, B321, and 11212, anymore. Why is no one pointing this out? This is huge. B3 gets poked out of by anything that's 8 frames or less. 11 will get low profiled by any poke. This is a HUGE nerf.

The mind game that leads to throws or hits is much less advantageous now. Remember, this is Lao's offense, he doesn't start with a 50/50 that goes into the EX hat. He either gets a hit or throw out of it. Before he was so beastly because this mind game was soooooooo in his favor, now it's more of a 50/50 mind game, making him a significantly worse character.

Quan's plus rune, is just dirt on top of his offense. Not his main offense.

Edit: Please don't take this as me saying he's dead. Imo he's right in that A-A+ range where all characters should be. Just pointing out why these nerfs are pretty big. I see people acting like they're nothing. Plz

Precisely.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

 

[DarkFire*]

It seems like with all these nerfs lately to most of the top tiers and some of the high tiers they really don't wanna see these characters anymore lol

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

It seems like with all these nerfs lately to most of the top tiers and some of the high tiers they really don't wanna see these characters anymore lol

Time to change your banner

 

[I AM MOSSBERG]

Yes, we're all crazy and overreacting.

I can only speak for myself but, I'm a old man and much older than most on this forum. I don't have nearly the time to invest and it takes my 10x as long to learn a character than most of you.

After playing with Lao for months, I finally "got it" and understood how he is to be played. Now, he's nerfed! It's over for me. I always knew his pressure was fake but all the nerfs do now is exacerbate this flaw.

 

[SylverRye]

Lao liu cassie nerfed so far..man i heard kobu and quan are getting worse than them. Paulo and his crew out with the nerf bat breaking kneecaps .

 

[Sirius Jones]

EX-spin losing to other armored moves on occasion I'll give you. The armor probably doesn't last very long because of how fast it is. Even still EX-spin is a 7-frame wakeup and reversal that leads to seriously good damage.

Cryo is a 50/50 variation, Lao does not have one. Cryo is very rarely +, Lao has + frames to work with. Cryo does not have actual pressure besides the 50/50, Lao has pressure and staggers aplenty. This is not a good comparison.

you right but i will have to say ImO its not a fair comparison for Sub Zero and Lao because they play differently.They both have their pros and cons.
Kung Lao does great damge and corner carr.But Subzero Corner game and oki is one of the best in the game.