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ECC12 UMK3 Tourny at 8 on the Break October 6th Results

rzpmkkteam

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Tim Static said:
I am envious of the MKK. I wish we had that kind of interest going on here. Viva la MKK!!!!
LOL thanks man hahahaha tambien que viva umk.com carajo!! LOL@ i love this site xD
 

Derek

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Come on Niggy, lay off them. The MKK guys contribute a lot to this site being imput on matches, providing match videos and random ass funny posts. We should treat them with as much respect as possible considering they do the same to us. Oh yeah, and they're really fucking good at UMK3. I wish I could play them but my computer is too shitty to do P2P MAME and XBL would be too laggy.
 

dubson

Kombatant
l SuGaR l said:
Come on Niggy, lay off them. The MKK guys contribute a lot to this site being imput on matches, providing match videos and random ass funny posts. We should treat them with as much respect as possible considering they do the same to us. Oh yeah, and they're really fucking good at UMK3. I wish I could play them but my computer is too shitty to do P2P MAME and XBL would be too laggy.
Agreed.
 

MKK hanzo

Moderator
I also love UMK.com, and if I have had in the past some arguments with some members (shock or lex) I said a long time ago I was sorry. I ve tried not to be an ass anymore and you ppl can see it since my days of posting on mk5.org.
 

Shock

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Let me go over several points here as to why this thread blew up and why some people are upset with the reaction of the only two members of MKK who post on this site.


"(please sorry if i could be heared as a "ofensive" to someone)"

I have a problem with this because "please don't be offended by what what will be an unnecessary post" is no excuse to post unwarranted criticism to these vids and it is undoubtedly an outlet to show off and attain recognition by posting their own vids vs themselves. I happen to like those videos so I encourage it, but in the end, it's still only a few people vs dozens of different US players who have been seen on this site at live tournaments. It is clear that MKK waits for the opportunity to say they are better than US players although everything they know now is directly learned from US player supplied information.


"i see that there are not big deal..."

Meaning I must have posted them because I thought they were a big deal, and to show off what I believe US talent, but I didn't, I posted them because people just simply like watching tournament footage. At least 90% of the matches I see other people (anyone) post I could tear apart or point out micro flaws, but I don't. I don't have to prove to anyone what I know.


"i mean the only one that "medium" know what the hell is doing is shock..."

What does "medium" mean exactly? It means that only Shock knows how to play the game, but he's still not that good. That's what it means, and nothing else. Medium means average.


"the rest is so.. simple:S no big combos, no big technical moves, no big damage, no...nothing,"

Great. And you only see this type of thing from a very small percentage of players.


"and even shock use Random Select xD that was so easy to you man xD please don´t get mad with me is just what i think, peace:D"


Meaning, that even compared to "medium" skill Shock, the other players are so bad he can random vs them.


This is the reason why some people are angry at the reaction to a friendly tournament at a big event. All players were invited, most didn't show up. It's not my fault, it's not the fault of anyone who showed up. If I posted vids of me slaughtering everyone the response would be "The other players sucked" and if I don't slaughter everyone it's "everyone sucked", if I random select, "everyone sucked" if I only pick my best it's "Well Shock only picked his best."

The main point here is, there's no reason to critique tournament matches from a mixed bag of players. There were 11 players, 2 noobs, 6 OK and 3 better than average. I can only work with what comes out. Had I done 15 matches of me vs Joe or Summoning each, you might have seen 10 great matches.

I also know that other people felt the same way which is fine because I even I feel that way, some people posted, others didn't, but no one would have said anything had the guys in another hemisphere not chimed in. Something to point again, is every person who has said something on the site or to me, wasn't there. I don't run these tournaments for my health, or for me, if I happen to win most of them that's not my problem, but what am I supposed to do throw every tournament and put others over? This isn't a wrestling match. People either won't play if I'm in it, or won't play if I'm not in it.


"My 2 cents about THAT last tourney, there were NO real strats, NO corner traps, no reflexes, NO damaging punishers, hell even NO bread n butter combos! All I saw were random jumps (with no real purpose) after a run in and in the entire finals between Shock and joe, only were 3 run jabs by Joe and the Kabal Match. All feel like Shock were "letting" the kids play and feel well but after this came in:"

Again just pointing out flaws in matches to feel better about their gameplay, and more pointing the finger at me for running a tournament for myself.

"Rsigley (kano) vs Shock (Nw). RZP was watchin the whole fight sit by my side, while watching he asked me "while Rob tried those failed combos with Nw? I mean he tried standard combo axe x 2, aaHp x 2 then fail. Later he tries the same but tries aaHp 3rd Axe and fails again!! Why he tries hard combos if he seem not to handle the game well?? Also Kano Hk him like crazy with no punish from Nw???"....

Then I replyed him: "RZP, actually the Nw player was Shock............"..."


What if I told you PutaLex missed the same exact Nightwolf combo in a match vs Bill? What I'm saying is, there's no reason to point out when someone misses a combo. You want me to go through all your vids and log all the times when you miss combos?

"Why always these topics when one do a constructive critic or a point of wiev, there is always one person saying stuff about money? What it does have to do with high level gameplay? So more money = mk god?"

He was making a sarcastic joke about living conditions and internet access in Venezuela to make you mad because of your unnecessary comments and criticism.

"Also I think it was Shock or someone, dont recall it well who said that if we manage to match them we will go back to Venezuela "empty pockets"... "

I only trash talk when someone does it first.

" cause 90% of them are BAD."

90% of all tournament matches I've seen are bad. There are only a few decent players from South American matches. Don't act like just US player matches are bad, and there have been a lot more different players from US matches shown than South American.

"Only good umk matches you guys have showed are the ECCX and none else. Is that muh the Chi players difference"

That's not true, and you only saw a handful of matches with Chi players from that tournament, and none of which were Moe who was undefeated in the tournament. Also there are MWC matches with all of them which are very good.

"Lets NOT turn this in another Venezuela vs USA who is better thread."

You two already did that. Stop being hypocrites.

"EDIT: Shock that match at 00:47... does that guy knows what buttons he has to press? He isnt aware of the RUN button I think... Or does he know that he HAS to hold Blk when getting up? If that is considered a match........ well...."

An absolutely clean shot here at a player and you don't think a response is valid? In case anyone hasn't noticed, I'm not being nice anymore to anyone on this site when it comes to egos. I assume you are talking about me as CSub vs JusDave as Robot Smoke. JustDave only plays UMK3 at tournaments, he played many years ago, but only started getting into it again recently. He doesn't play on Kaillera or XBL but by his last matches of the night he was 10 times better than in that match vs me even performing 4-5x relaunch combos with C Sub. This match is an example of me beating up a not so good player, and yet there is still criticism. You neglect to point out the response time I have and the 3x popup in the match as well. Convenient.

"Tip: High level casual: http://youtube.com/watch?v=0PzrHKlqiHc"

Then posts a match of Kabal vs Smoke.

"If I recall well Shock I have never insulted anyone"

You insulted every person at the tournament, and so did RZP. People from other countries complain about this kind of behavior from US players but I see more from outside the US than anywhere else and when it's brought to their attention they don't understand.

"How can you claim this? I ve posted hundreds of vids with a variety of players"

And very few have impressed me.

"No one ever said this. In fact, as you could see, I ve contribuited with the umk site in more than a way. 90% of the text you re reading on the mk4 guides was written by me with Ded_ making small fixes, adding some stuff and all the combo vid examples and combo text. So, I DONT HATE UMK.com. That would be silly to even think. In fact, the more ppl get to compete the better!"

This is completely irrelevent and more boasting.

"I respect you as a player and as a good contributer for all MK FAMILY and what i was trying to say i just that when i see i love to give my opinion about it."

Mind if I do a little bragging here myself? DreemerNJ and I are the BIGGEST contributors to the MK community hands down. You didn't respect me when you called me a "medium" player.

"I also love UMK.com, and if I have had in the past some arguments with some members (shock or lex) I said a long time ago I was sorry. I ve tried not to be an ass anymore and you ppl can see it since my days of posting on mk5.org."

I thought were were beyond that but it seems like you two can't resist the chance to talk down about other players. We have opened this site to you guys so MKK can be international, and soon you will find out even moreso. You're not going to get players from other countries to be active on your site, but there are people from many countries on this site, and people from virtually every country that knows about MK looks at it.
 

Shock

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I bolded the quoted stuff for your reading enhancement Frankie. I'm just a little ticked that the effort I put forth is claimed to be appreciated it in the same breath with which is is beaten down.
 

mach1

Noob
MKK can suck it. If were sooo bad here in the u.s. then why dont you come over here and show us how to play. Whats that? You cant? Too much money? Its not my fault your all fuckin banana farmers. Please try to improve your posts, I can barely understand them. It looks like vega posted them.
 

mach1

Noob
MKK hanzo_hasashi said:
MKK=arrogant doo doo heads
Thx kid who I dont know... You look good on those mk dresses... SARCASM
Thanks dick. Lets see you dress up like some mk characters. Oh, thats right, you cant, because none of the characters are beaners.
 

MKK hanzo

Moderator
Well I actuallt took the time to read the entire post and to not keep up with this, the ONLY part that really offended me was this:

It is clear that MKK waits for the opportunity to say they are better than US players although everything they know now is directly learned from US player supplied information.
How can be so sure? We NEVER knew that umk got competitive gameplay until I POSTED that "what is your maximum damage combo on umk3" thread on gcc.com. Its really stupid when we show these vids:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=712316E0720141AF

by 2002, I invite ANYONE to compare the US level at UMK at that time with these. Even now its NOT comparable. How can anybody claim that when you were playing like this (and having in consideration that this is more recent and not posting the sucky kaillera matches):

http://ultimatemk.com/dirview.php?current=matchvids/ecc9

at that time? LOL as some thread says "PLAYER INFLUENCE" ??? LOL LOL LOL As I always have stated "we were 4 axing ninjas when you were learning fatalities"... And its a fact.

Then the rest is blah blah blah... Lets get with this quick:

Had I done 15 matches of me vs Joe or Summoning each, you might have seen 10 great matches.
Nah... Moe vs Lex, Ded_ vs Analcunt are great matches...also RZP vs Hanzo
:lol:
but no one would have said anything had the guys in another hemisphere not chimed in.
You dont even have an idea of what your own US ppl say to me via MSN LOL. Maybe is that "internet" scenic fear that most ppl have.

What if I told you PutaLex missed the same exact Nightwolf combo in a match vs Bill?
I critizised that the same day I watched that vid wich was like "oh there is life in another planet!!" . I didnt expect anybody to play UMK3 competitively. NOTE: Nice you wrote PutaLex!

You want me to go through all your vids and log all the times when you miss combos?
It would be great cause I will use that to improve myself to get better....and better....and better.....

:lol:
Don't act like just US player matches are bad, and there have been a lot more different players from US matches shown than South American.
that 90% I pointed was after browsing the entire "match vids" section... Again, I invite the public to check it.

An absolutely clean shot here at a player and you don't think a response is valid?
From my point of wiev that would help that player to look at the control panel and notice that there is a block button...
You neglect to point out the response time I have and the 3x popup in the match as well. Convenient.
What will I point out? My mom does 3 axes when she is coocking for me and the guys!
:lol: Its like "hey I saw a plane in the sky!!!". That mundane are 3 axes here.

You insulted every person at the tournament, and so did RZP. People from other countries complain about this kind of behavior from US players but I see more from outside the US than anywhere else and when it's brought to their attention they don't understand.
Its VERY different to say "that last tourney level was BAD than:

MKK can suck it. If were sooo bad here in the u.s. then why dont you come over here and show us how to play. Whats that? You cant? Too much money? Its not my fault your all fuckin banana farmers. Please try to improve your posts, I can barely understand them. It looks like vega posted them.
Thanks dick. Lets see you dress up like some mk characters. Oh, thats right, you cant, because none of the characters are beaners.
To who I reply, Kid im more white than you so fuck off lol.

You two already did that. Stop being hypocrites.
Nah we are not like that. You take everithing too serious. Its just an internet forum... let ppl be. Or do you like internet drama too? really dont take things personal cause the "thing" (if any) isnt against you or anybody there...

I will post more a bit later but right now GGPO SFA2 is sucking my life time and my vacation time is about to end so I will have less time to play.

But again, this is pure chit chat, at the end ppl know who is who and will dream with that "US vs MKK" all they want but the day that MKK travels to US EVERY FUCKING PERSON will be trembling on their toes with fucking butterflies on their stomachs knowing that all of them will lose and badly.

At the end when we go back to Vzla "empty pocketed" (there are too much rare bes carts to buy at US! :lol: ) we will say "It wasnt worth the trip"... And I dont want that!

The day that happens (and ppl knows that) pls have ready Lex, Moe, Adam, and Paulo cause they are the only guys who will give a decent represent to the US MK competitive scene IF ANY.

Peace!
 

Shock

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Stop back peddling, stop pretending that you don't do the things you do, stop pretending to know the skill of some players compared to others when you haven't played any of them. If I take everything too seriously, why do you guys jump on match videos? The only thing I'm taking seriously is how seriously you take UMK3, to the point where you put down an entire tournament roster to boost yourselves.
 

Shock

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mach1 said:
MKK hanzo_hasashi said:
MKK=arrogant doo doo heads
Thx kid who I dont know... You look good on those mk dresses... SARCASM
Thanks dick. Lets see you dress up like some mk characters. Oh, thats right, you cant, because none of the characters are beaners.
Tony Marquez is spanish and I assume the Pesinas.
 

MKK hanzo

Moderator
Stop back peddling, stop pretending that you don't do the things you do, stop pretending to know the skill of some players compared to others when you haven't played any of them.
Im not doing any of these things man. If you are angry with os ok thats fine by me but I remember you who was the first EVER to got this semi rascist shit in every Mk discussion across the world internet boards.
If I take everything too seriously, why do you guys jump on match videos? The only thing I'm taking seriously is how seriously you take UMK3, to the point where you put down an entire tournament roster to boost yourselves.
I dont get the questions... sorry my english is bad...
 

Shock

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"Semi racist" - I don't remember ever saying only white people are good at UMK3. I do remember someone saying only a few months ago something like "spanish players are the best at MK."