Well technically its not an option select but it'd work in the same fashion, with a character like KL for example. Say you finish the 1121 string, 0 on block and go for a 2, if Raiden teleports the 2, fine, cause you'll have recovered and can throw out another 21 after the teleport.
Sounds like you're making a read in that scenario. Raiden can backdash out of the way and go for a whiff punish, ex-shocker, uppercut, d1, d3, or even d4 under that. Raiden does have disadvantage matchups and KL is one of them.
Doubt you're gonna be backdashing a 7f 2 when you're both neutral.
2 has a short range. You might be underestimating Raiden's backdash. The key is buffering it before block recovery is over. I'm pretty sure it's possible and even if it's not, d3 into backdash will definitely get me far enough away. d3 into backdash will get you out of range of most normals/strings.
Except damage is not the issue with Raiden. If you find more damaging and practical combos, good on you (though you're speaking like you're Check or Tony-T, no offense), but that would hardly make Raiden's pokes better, normals faster, or his strings any less interruptible. I'm not being a dick, but you're kinda complaining about a somewhat irrelevant topic (not that damage is irrelevant, but rather, that it's not the issue here). Again, it would be great if more damaging combos can be found, but I don't think that's what players are referring to when talking about whether or not Raiden is unexplored.
2 has massive range man. On top of that theres also an invisible hitbox on it that reaches a little further than he physically connects.
I like to play a little raiden as well and I DO think raiden is really good in some matchups. you cant backdash kung laos standing 2 though it has pretty good range actually.
Haha yeah when I say short range, I'm kind of saying that out of Raiden's perspective. When I think of long range I think of raiden's b3, kitana's f2, etc. Either way, why wouldn't I d3 into backdash or pressure right there against KL? I promise you d3 into back dash will put me out of range of KL's 2. Obviously if you go for a 2, even if my d3 hits, it'll beat almost anything I want to do so I'd probably want to back dash. But if you block after that I get pressure. Sounds like normal meta game to me. Is there something I'm missing? I d3 backdash out of KL pressure all the time and while they are whiffing 21 or 24 I get b3 full combos.
You can backdash it. Not in every scenario. After a d3 you can though. You buffer the back dash during your d3. His back dash is really really really good.
Yeah I see what you're saying, and we can just keep going round in circles, cause once you'd start d3ing i could just go straight back into bird lao ambiguity to nullify the teleport anyway.
Not necessarily. Sometimes as Raiden you just go for tele during pressure. Sometimes as kl you just go for 21 during pressure. These two things happening at the same time does occur frequently.
if youre doing a d3 into a backdash youre probably dashing out of standing 2 with d3 on hit, youre not hitconfirming it if you do an immediate backdash after d3.
Raidens d3 only gives +1 on hit so I can't really continue pressure against a speedy kung lao. Best option is to back dash in that scenario. But yeah if d3 gets blocked he can hit me. But who has the speed to hit confirm a d3? By the time you react you've probably lost your advantage. A lot of the poking game is reads and abusing quick/safe strings.
Yeah I agree with you for the most part. But he doesn't just get a little, imo. He gets 33% to 37% meterless most of the time. But the most important thing is they now don't know when to start their offense out of fear of being blown up. Then Raiden can start jumping and shit.
Don't forget our matches at fight night
Yeah Raiden sucks. Or at least he is good against Kenshi.Don't forget our matches at fight night
Raiden-Kenshi is one of the coolest match-ups in the game. Pig Of The Hut said he was going to run some casuals with PL at Final Round and record them. Don't know what happened to that, though Pig looked like he had his hands full with running the stream and everything so he might not have gotten around to doing it.
Yeah it's fun for sure. I love having even matchups against some of the higher tiered characters. That matchup is a wait and bait for both characters haha. And both characters have some dirty shit against each other.
+1 is nothing if you have to hitconfirm it off of a d3 youre right about that. his normals cant pressure like kung lao so the way I like to play raiden is get the life lead and build meter with vicinity blast and lightning at almost fullscreen, whiffing vicinity blasts at that range isnt bad at all if they happenend to throw a projectile at you because you can still teleport that on reaction. every time I see someone whiff a move I will teleport behind them to start offense.
Agreed. Works even better against good teleport punish attempts too haha. Unfortunately if they are bad at punishing regular tele the ex-tele can get stuffed by their late reactions =( but ex-tele into cross up usually takes care of that issue lol.
Plenty of people play him. No one person really ever deserves creidt for anything.
Yes honesty I had zero time to do anything I wanted or needed to do like prepare/sleep ...because I took care of the whole running the tourney thing
