how do deep jumpkicks avoid smokebomb? and how does d4 avoid jax's groundpound?
also, i don't think kung lao gets beasted by cyrax...and how can a normal beat a 6 frame special?
1. A deep jumpkick changes the characters hitbox, so if you land it right, the smoke bomb whiffs.
2. If you D4, the hitbox moves, so the ground pound whiffs.(The Animation of his hand has to be at the highest point before he GP's.)
3. Also, when it comes to match-ups, remember that spacing will always come in handy. I think you are referring to a Kung Lao spin when you say a 6 frame special, correct? If so. What happens when you hit 12 on block, is that it spaces you out enough for the arc of Cyrax's 2 to beat Kung Lao out of any spin animation. It beats it 100% of the time.
Damn this is hard. I guess I need to get a human to practice this in training. Seems like the window to punish is very small when CSZ does back to back parrys. Definitely gonna work on this.
That definitely depends on the height he hits you at doesnt it? If he hits you in the shin you cant really punish him before he can parry your 1,2. This has been a problem for me, its hard to judge where he hit you in the heat of the moment and after being parried a billion times for trying to punish the dive kick Im kinda afraid to attempt it. I tend to move forward with d4 or d4~saw after blocking a dive kick unless Im 100% they did a very unsafe dive kick that hit me in the head (which never happens against the dude Im playin).
Something I learned that does work is that if I put a mid bomb on screen this kinda limits his dive kicking ability because whether he hits or I block the DK he will recover onto the exploding bomb.
I guess Im gonna have fire up the training room and convince someone to play dummy for me until I can polish both these punishes. Thanks for the breakdown bro!
Yeah man, honestly before I sat down to learn the match-up. I didn't quite understand how his parry worked and got hit by it often. You definitely have to have dive kick and parry punishments down against him. Everything will be way easier.
Some things to keep in mind.
1. Close Dive Kick = -18 Far Dive Kick = -16 {Your punish is a 9 frame jab.) There are extra frames after a dash, however not enough for a regular dive kick to be safe. At worst, you will be able to pressure on block and the parry will not work, or while in his parry input, you will punish. But it shouldn't be a problem at all, just practice the punish.
2. Parry has 43 active frames, and a duration of 52 frames. This means there is a 9 frame window to punish, all while just standing there. Figure out when the right time to punish is, by looking at the animation of the parry.
