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Cheetah and Swamp Thing Character Breakdowns - March 15th

LEGI0N47

I like to play bad characters
I think we're just scratching the surface with some of BS to come.

Anyone notice how the question was asked "what are the inputs for those moves." And bit's response was oh super easy, not a high execution char at all. Sorry but all I could think is awesome, another easymode guessing char.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
I think we're just scratching the surface with some of BS to come.

Anyone notice how the question was asked "what are the inputs for those moves." And bit's response was oh super easy, not a high execution char at all. Sorry but all I could think is awesome, another easymode guessing char.
...difficulty of input doesn't mean anything for balance except for maybe hurting your ego because you got beat by a character who's easy to use ;)
 

Azarashi Elder

Fut-SEAS....OF BLOOD!
This is the NRS community. The old game is already on life support before the new game even comes out.
Yeah, I know. From MK v DC to MK9 to Injustice 1, the community has dropped each game like a hot potato and I fully expect that to happen again.

With that said, I'm thinking long term here. What if variations die with MKX? If they don't return you're going to have an unsatisfied part of the community that will miss that sort of game. Then, you also have to take into account, the number of people that aren't in the NRS community now, who will discover and fall in love with MKX after buying a used copy from GAME or GameStop right?

Side tournaments of MK9 still happen. I'm pretty sure they did it at Winter Brawl. So even though official support has been over for that game since forever there is still a small but loving fan base for it. Nintendo hasn't touched Melee in decades, but it's at EVO because passionate fans brought that game back to life. So it's really up to gamers to decide if MKX lives on. Not NRS.
 
Cheetah looks like the perfect counter for Swamp Thing, which is great since they basically made Swamp Thing God like with all he can do. (definitely Top Tier S) his only downfall is he moves slow, which with that teleport isn't even an issue. I hope they give Ivy Dots and Healing too like Swamp.
 

DDustiNN

MK11 Pocket Guide: Koming Soon to the App Store
I have to agree , that's what I liked about MKX watching people play differently ! If you don't have this option in competitive mode everyone will play the same way . Will get boring to watch and play in my mind
My thoughts exactly.
 

DDustiNN

MK11 Pocket Guide: Koming Soon to the App Store
Yeah, I know. From MK v DC to MK9 to Injustice 1, the community has dropped each game like a hot potato and I fully expect that to happen again.

With that said, I'm thinking long term here. What if variations die with MKX? If they don't return you're going to have an unsatisfied part of the community that will miss that sort of game. Then, you also have to take into account, the number of people that aren't in the NRS community now, who will discover and fall in love with MKX after buying a used copy from GAME or GameStop right?

Side tournaments of MK9 still happen. I'm pretty sure they did it at Winter Brawl. So even though official support has been over for that game since forever there is still a small but loving fan base for it. Nintendo hasn't touched Melee in decades, but it's at EVO because passionate fans brought that game back to life. So it's really up to gamers to decide if MKX lives on. Not NRS.
On the other hand... what if variations don't return, but the gear system makes its way to MK11? NRS generally seems to build upon each game and add new stuff. Just like how MK9's x-ray moves made their way into Injustice (in the form of Super Moves), environment interactions made their way from Injustice to MKX, the unique characters intros from MKX made their way into Injustice 2, etc. And now MKX's variations have evolved into the gear system of Injustice 2.

Those are just a few examples of the way they keep building upon their foundations.

I fully expect the 3-variation system to disappear in the next MK game. But, in its place, I do think they will build upon this new gear system they've created, and refine it even further or make some sort of changes to differentiate it from Injustice 2. They seem to be working toward character customization pretty heavily. Who knows, maybe they're working toward a deep new create-a-character system, kinda like we saw in MK Armageddon.
 

Azarashi Elder

Fut-SEAS....OF BLOOD!
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I fully expect the 3-variation system to disappear in the next MK game. But, in its place, I do think they will build upon this new gear system they've created, and refine it even further or make some sort of changes to differentiate it from Injustice 2. They seem to be working toward character customization pretty heavily. Who knows, maybe they're working toward a deep new create-a-character system, kinda like we saw in MK Armageddon.
That's a very good guess. We will probably get a definitive answer on gear abilities during the main gear stream this month. I'd definitely like them to put the gear vs no tourney gear argument to rest., so we can see the vision as a whole.

Regarding the"Create-a-Kharacter" feature, it was pretty fun, and worth exploring, but in a non-competitive environment. You can create characters in Smash Wii U right? Does anyone use them competitively?
 

Compbros

Man of Tomorrow
Not in the comics, but given the source of her power it wouldn't be difficult to retcon tie Urzkartaga to The Red. Much like how in the comics Poison Ivy was retroactively connected to The Green.

Yes, in comics she was. NRS doesn't seem to want to stray too far from comics so to just go "Cheetah is part of the Red" especially to an audience that doesn't know her, I dunno if they'd wanna do that.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
actually it does, but carry on
I mean not really? Stanky leg is a ridiculously dumb normal. It doesn't matter that it's hard to pull off because eventually people practice it enough to the point where it's not long hard to pull off...but you know, carry on
 

ImperatrixSindel

Too bad YOU... will DIE!
Yes, in comics she was. NRS doesn't seem to want to stray too far from comics so to just go "Cheetah is part of the Red" especially to an audience that doesn't know her, I dunno if they'd wanna do that.
They've gone pretty far into left field with Scarecrow lol
 

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
I mean not really? Stanky leg is a ridiculously dumb normal. It doesn't matter that it's hard to pull off because eventually people practice it enough to the point where it's not long hard to pull off...but you know, carry on
fighting games have a general "hard execution/hard to learn" stigma to them, what this created was the mentality that accepts cheap and stupid shit in a game as long as it's hard to do. It's why no one complains about all the cheap stuff you can do in Marvel 2 but EVERYONE complains about Marvel 3 cheap shit when it's the same formula just made easier.
It's stupid to think that way because like you said top players will grind enough to be able to do the cheap shit 9/10 times (at least) even if it's hard to do.
As someone at the receiving end why does it matter to you that you're getting fucked up by regular string or a 1 frame link combo with fly unfly cancels? You're getting the same result..
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
fighting games have a general "hard execution/hard to learn" stigma to them, what this created was the mentality that accepts cheap and stupid shit in a game as long as it's hard to do. It's why no one complains about all the cheap stuff you can do in Marvel 2 but EVERYONE complains about Marvel 3 cheap shit when it's the same formula just made easier.
It's stupid to think that way because like you said top players will grind enough to be able to do the cheap shit 9/10 times (at least) even if it's hard to do.
As someone at the receiving end why does it matter to you that you're getting fucked up by regular string or a 1 frame link combo with fly unfly cancels? You're getting the same result..
Oh my god a voice of reason.
 

Azarashi Elder

Fut-SEAS....OF BLOOD!
Lol he's talking about the torpedo headbutt move, BRC has pretty much the same move.
Fair enough.

Shazam's had lightning and shit and it switched sides after a stylish grab kinda animation, this is just a straight up dolphin psycho crusher coz they know she's gonna be free in that range lol
It always switched sides but the grab was the Mb version. Occasionally, if you killed with the regular version, it didn't switch sides and you could leave them in the corner.
 

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
That's just arguing semantics.
Lol yeah, it just doesn't look like the same style of move to me, the lightning effect is much cooler. It serves the same purpose though so yeah overall she seems like a repurposed Shazam with BRC's string mixups. Probably coz Shazam is gonna be a skin for Adam.
 
Cheetah looks like the perfect counter for Swamp Thing, which is great since they basically made Swamp Thing God like with all he can do. (definitely Top Tier S) his only downfall is he moves slow, which with that teleport isn't even an issue. I hope they give Ivy Dots and Healing too like Swamp.
I think the teleport is a gear related move.