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Match-up Discussion Cat-woman Vs Bane is not a 3-7 or a 2-8 Mu

coolwhip

Master
P.S 99% of you would get bodied by Ra
But not 1% of us called him a bad player so this is absolutely irrelevant. He says idiotic things and any time he talks about a match-up he either states the obvious or makes outdated points. He's a very good player though. Not sure what one has to do with the other.

If we're not allowed to disagree with anyone because they'd body us then let's just have Sonic Fox and Theo run the forums and literally everyone else can shut the fuck up. How about that?
 

Under_The_Mayo

Master of Quanculations
I never posted this, but I feel I should after reading the "use your meter on higher damaging combos" idea.

I've done a lot of measurements in this matchup. And I found that if you use meter in your combos against Bane when he has Venom, you only increase your combo damage by about 4%. It's a horrible idea. The only time you should be using meter in your combos for damage, generally, is if you hit Bane when he's half way through his Level 3.

Also, the nonsense about looking for Bane's movements to react to a Command Grab is just that, nonsense. If you are focusing on looking for the command grab animation, Bane is already free to do anything else. What you're talking about is a read, and nothing more.
 

Ra Helios

Omnipotent God-like Selina Kyle Player
Lent is a Christian practice that happens near Thanksgiving/Christmas time. You CHOOSE what pleasure you give up. Some give up chocolate, burgers, porn, whatever they want to give up. If it was Lent, Ra would be choosing not to go to tourneys, i.e. copping out on BS. But it isn't Lent. Ra if you don't mind me asking, what is the religion you follow? It sounds interesting.
Its similiar to what the jewish people believe. From friday sundown to saturday sundown I cannot do No pleasure thereof. The only thing I can basically do is read biblical history and read the bible or watch biblical history.

The 7th day of the week is on Saturday.

The reason why I believe in the bible because it is a historical book written by hebrew Israelite and more as well
 

Wemfs

The only morality in a cruel world is chance.
Oh no. Not the friends list. Next to unfollowing someone on twitter that's like, the worst thing you can do to anyone ever
You unfollowed me on twitter bruh. Does this mean we aren't best friends forever anymore? /tear
 

Kyu

CHOO CHOO BANE TRAIN
Just gonna copy paste this here from the other thread~


Jesus I can't believe the amount of anger and salt. God damn. Alright anyway I'm gonna give my opinions on the CW Bane match because I know it quite well. Do I know it as well as Max? No probably not. But I'll say I know it second best of any Bane from hundreds of games with Rainbow, Starcharger, and 16 Bit. I am also not on Max's level but I have a fair understanding of my character and his tools.

Ra brought up fair points but didn't realize the counter arguments. You can dash under the mb VU. Ok well what if he does a regular one? 33 after a blocked double punch? This used to fuck me up because Rainbow does it all the time. Just neutral jump or backdash forward dash 113. 60%+ punish on a wrong guess. Let me say this again. 60%+ WHIFF PUNISH. WHIFF PUNISH. I AM GETTING 60%+ WITH 2 BARS ON A FUCKING WHIFF PUNISH. On knockdown, Catwoman can do a 33 to blow up his armor. This works half the time in my experience, the timing is tight and if I delay the wakeup the invincibility frames can stuff 33. This also takes away the hope for a 50/50 on wakeup, which is how Catwoman wins most of her games. Her strong 50/50s. You need to properly space your jb2. Ok yes you do, but what will jb2 get you if Bane has the lifelead? Nothing. If Bane makes the right read you're on knockdown again. React to grab after tick throws. It's not reactions it's a guess. No other top player says they can react to that grab, there's almost no chance in hell Ra is reacting to it. It's a read. Bane's d1 is broken, and his d2 might be even more broken. Even with PERFECTLY spaced jump in 2 from Catwoman, Bane can still anti air her 100% of the time with air grab, and armor through ALL follow ups from j2 except standing 3. If a Catwoman player is doing 33 after j2, I can backdash it, and even if I can't backdash it, she is sacrificing a 50/50 for safety, when 50/50s are her main game point. My biggest example is this. The fact that I can actually beat 16 Bit in casuals as Bane or in tournament, albeit not as hard as Max but I'm not as good, should tell you something. Top player and evo finalist vs 14 year old Bane player. Wat. This is just how I see the matchup, and I'm not going to take Biohazard losing an ONLINE ft5 as realization it's not a 7/3 or a 8/2 in Bane's favor. I just need to see better results. No discredit to Ra Helios either he's a great player from what I hear, but online sets simply won't do it, especially when it's just 1.
 

chemist4hire

I Got Guiled
Don't mean to spot check you, but the 7th day of the week both currently and biblically the 7th day is on Sunday.
In traditional Hewbrew and Christian calendars, Sunday is the first day of the week and Saturday is the last day of the week. The international consensus to make Monday the first day of the week and Sunday the last day of the week, did not begin until 1988, fairly recently.
 

Rodrigue

Spongerod
FINALLY! Have been reading through hoping that someone had posted this.

Can't believe the amount of ignorant people on this site that hadn't considered the possibility that he could be Jewish. Smh.
I asked him once in a thread if he was Jewish because he mentioned that he couldn't go on saturdays so i assumed it was because of the Shabbat.
He called me irrelevant.
 

KH StarCharger

Kombatant
I can relate to some of what you said (Especially since I've also played @Biohazard, @Kyu, and @GGA at nauseum myself), however in order for it to be anywhere near as hopeful as you put it, CW has to get the first lick and get momentum going early. If she doesn't make that happen and has to play catchup, a very strong Bane player will make things next to impossible. I've done it in the past but only because I've had to press like hell (@Biohazard may remember our set at EVO). Still, I learned some things in this post that I didn't know already and for that, Thanks! BTW, I've been out of the loop for a while, what's going down this weekend?
 

GGA Max

Well-Known Member
Offline:
Bane v Catwoman is at least 7-3 in Bane's favor

Online:
Bane v Catwoman might be 7-3, 6-4, 5-5 or anything really, I don't know. You could actually be right with whatever number you have for it.

No one thinks these 2 scenarios are equal.

This community cares about MU numbers offline, where there are NO excuses, reaction times are consistent, there is no variable lag, etc.

I know it would be hype for us to play a FT10, for the community to see me 10-0 you (lol) or you to win miraculously. But it wouldn't prove anything. I'm honestly not really motivated to play it anymore.