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sars

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Good shit dude!
Thanks, just wish it worked on everyone. If they have an U3 that reaches far your gonna get hit cause of the invincibility frames. Against them I’ll probably just take the restand. I do think as yaas queen if I can establish this early and there afraid to wakeup glow kick is the better option cause the frame advantage. But than I think about it and getting hit by one U3 isn’t that bad lol
 

JDE

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Thanks, just wish it worked on everyone. If they have an U3 that reaches far your gonna get hit cause of the invincibility frames. Against them I’ll probably just take the restand. I do think as yaas queen if I can establish this early and there afraid to wakeup glow kick is the better option cause the frame advantage. But than I think about it and getting hit by one U3 isn’t that bad lol
Yeah I listed the ones that it doesn't work against in the videos I posted. Just didn't make the videos of it.
 

sars

Apprentice
Yeah I listed the ones that it doesn't work against in the videos I posted. Just didn't make the videos of it.
What’s funny is I didn’t even see what you posted till after I posted. Than I was like this dude gonna think I ripped him off lol. Just wish there was no back roll and I would be set. I think it does work against Scarlett though atleast off of glowkick. I’ll have to test it again
 

JDE

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What’s funny is I didn’t even see what you posted till after I posted. Than I was like this dude gonna think I ripped him off lol. Just wish there was no back roll and I would be set.
Nah it was to help you out since you mentioned it the other day. I had tested it but didn't make vids. haha.

I'm still testing what she can use for back rolling options. Trying to see if I can get B243 or F2 1+3 to hit if they back roll some kind of way.
 

sars

Apprentice
Nah it was to help you out since you mentioned it the other day. I had tested it but didn't make vids. haha.

I'm still testing what she can use for back rolling options. Trying to see if I can get B243 or F2 1+3 to hit if they back roll some kind of way.
Yeah you can ex glow kick and blow it up I believe but that’s the read of reads and not worth it. The good thing is not many people back roll.
 
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lionheart21

Its Game Over, Man
His reflect isn't the problem to me lol it's his neutral, damage and overall moveset. Hes like a Cassie on steroids.
He's most likely gonna be the next character that I try out since the only thing that Cassie can really do better than Nightwolf in is zoning, but she can do that better than many.

I've got a footsies character with Johnny, a zoner with Skarlet, and a hybrid character with Cassie, so that leaves just a straight-up rushdown character and Nightwolf fits that well. Or at least until Terminator comes out (he better be a rushdown-brawler type)
 

Vengeance135

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He's most likely gonna be the next character that I try out since the only thing that Cassie can really do better than Nightwolf in is zoning, but she can do that better than many.

I've got a footsies character with Johnny, a zoner with Skarlet, and a hybrid character with Cassie, so that leaves just a straight-up rushdown character and Nightwolf fits that well. Or at least until Terminator comes out (he better be a rushdown-brawler type)

I'm just waiting for joker... lol
 

JDE

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I'm glad someone found all of this like I did because tbh, I'm tired of hearing people whine about him. He's really not that bad to deal with. He's ridiculously good & potatoes, but it's like people ENJOY complaining about him on here & Twitter. Look at how to deal with him. You can do the same thing to Jacqui's F31 staggers & mix too. If people would stop looking for validation of a character & play their game, lab & adapt, they wouldn't find themselves in the midst of asking for nerfs. But no, people are always wanting to either play this meta or counterpick. Counterpicking will only get you so far if you're not actually looking into what they're doing or know how to fight characters. And honestly, I don't think Nightwolf is that much than Cassie, but I'll withhold statements. He is good though.

https://testyourmight.com/threads/turning-liu-kangs-f43xx-tools-against-him-short-guide.71607/
 

Vengeance135

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I'm glad someone found all of this like I did because tbh, I'm tired of hearing people whine about him. He's really not that bad to deal with. He's ridiculously good & potatoes, but it's like people ENJOY complaining about him on here & Twitter. Look at how to deal with him. You can do the same thing to Jacqui's F31 staggers & mix too. If people would stop looking for validation of a character & play their game, lab & adapt, they wouldn't find themselves in the midst of asking for nerfs. But no, people are always wanting to either play this meta or counterpick. Counterpicking will only get you so far if you're not actually looking into what they're doing or know how to fight characters. And honestly, I don't think Nightwolf is that much than Cassie, but I'll withhold statements. He is good though.

https://testyourmight.com/threads/turning-liu-kangs-f43xx-tools-against-him-short-guide.71607/
I am indeed a lab monster and am not asking for nerfs. I thought just by hours of labbing on my day off and playing a god awful amount of Nightwolfs (Kombat League is full of them) and I was thinking wow he is really really strong. Then I started doing a bit more research and it turns out quite a few top players think Nightwolf is easily a top 5 contender. If I remember correctly, even Sonicfox said nightwolf was the best in the game. I'll attach a link to the video so you can check it out.

As far as Jax, I always thought he was insanely good. I understand he may suffer from a distance (minus his broken fatal blow) but once he's in your face, its extremely hard to get him off and once your cornered, even harder so. Mix that with a inescapable krushing blow that does 400 minimum and I'd say he's a bit ridiculous.

 

JDE

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I am indeed a lab monster and am not asking for nerfs. I thought just by hours of labbing on my day off and playing a god awful amount of Nightwolfs (Kombat League is full of them) and I was thinking wow he is really really strong. Then I started doing a bit more research and it turns out quite a few top players think Nightwolf is easily a top 5 contender. If I remember correctly, even Sonicfox said nightwolf was the best in the game. I'll attach a link to the video so you can check it out.

As far as Jax, I always thought he was insanely good. I understand he may suffer from a distance (minus his broken fatal blow) but once he's in your face, its extremely hard to get him off and once your cornered, even harder so. Mix that with a inescapable krushing blow that does 400 minimum and I'd say he's a bit ridiculous.

I agree he's good, but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with him lol. You're entitled to your opinion. I 100% respect your opinion. I'm just giving mine. I saw this & I didn't agree fully to his lists. Nor did I fully agree with him the last time.

Edit: @Vengeance135 Like this is another opinion that I have: KB throws are good, but the characters are the most complained about in terms of KB throws besides Geras are Liu Kang & Jax. There's other characters who have them too & no one talks about them. Kotal being one of them but the argument with him is he's bottom 5. So is it really KB throws that should be nerfed or is it just Jax & Liu Kang having them? Or Geras? I mean Scorpion has a KB throw but he doesn't have 2. They both do.
 
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Vengeance135

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I agree he's good, but it doesn't mean that I have to agree with him lol. You're entitled to your opinion. I 100% respect your opinion. I'm just giving mine. I saw this & I didn't agree fully to his lists. Nor did I fully agree with him the last time.

Nah I feel you for sure lol I just wanted to hit you with some stuff that was kind of supporting my opinion so you didn't think I was spouting garbage.

I completely respect yours for sure. Sonicfoxs character placements on his tier list are sometimes hella crazy but most people thought Yaas Queen was bad and then Sonicfox proved the community wrong. I'd say he has a better grasp on this game at a higher level then most of us do. Me personally, I only agreed with a few of his tier list placements. I think Kabal should be much higher imo, especially since the previous top tiers got touched and he really wasn't.
 

JDE

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Nah I feel you for sure lol I just wanted to hit you with some stuff that was kind of supporting my opinion so you didn't think I was spouting garbage.

I completely respect yours for sure. Sonicfoxs character placements on his tier list are sometimes hella crazy but most people thought Yaas Queen was bad and then Sonicfox proved the community wrong. I'd say he has a better grasp on this game at a higher level then most of us do. Me personally, I only agreed with a few of his tier list placements. I think Kabal should be much higher imo, especially since the previous top tiers got touched and he really wasn't.
Yeah I agree with that & no I never thought it was a bad agrument. I think Nightwolf is up there, but not that high. at least not yet. I actually agree with him on Yaas Queen being good. I just though Digital Solider was the go to. Yaas Queen was in my top 10/15 for variations. He reaches a lot of the time . & I've been saying Kabal deserves to be mentioned in the top 5 or outside of it. Sub-Zero too if I'm being honest, but I can see why people don't look at him. I just think him & Sub-Zero are complete characters (& yet another character with a KB throw, but is he mentioned? Nope). Hell, I think Cassie is still a complete character, just have to throw folks' timing off now.
 

Vengeance135

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Yeah I agree with that & no I never thought it was a bad agrument. I think Nightwolf is up there, but not that high. at least not yet. I actually agree with him on Yaas Queen being good. I just though Digital Solider was the go to. Yaas Queen was in my top 10/15 for variations. He reaches a lot of the time . & I've been saying Kabal deserves to be mentioned in the top 5 or outside of it. Sub-Zero too if I'm being honest, but I can see why people don't look at him. I just think him & Sub-Zero are complete characters (& yet another character with a KB throw, but is he mentioned? Nope). Hell, I think Cassie is still a complete character, just have to throw folks' timing off now.

I agree with Sub-Zero too actually. But not the DoW Variant. Thin Ice imo is a much stronger, more reliable variant imo. He still has access to is 50/50s, super fast slide that can punish most projectile use, completely useful KB's, great spacing, great damage and good zoning. I noticed some of the best Subs I've played used that variation. Yeah, not everything is safe but it's not about mindlessly clicking buttons. It's all about cold calculations. I think Cassie is great but shes a very textbook character imo. Shes very predictable, especially when she has to go on the offensive. Nowadays, I think she's complete but extremely fair. Characters like Kabal, Liu Kang and Skarlet have flown under the radar because they were being outshined by characters like Sonya and Erron but since their adjustments, especially Errons, these characters are starting to dominate.
 

JDE

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I agree with Sub-Zero too actually. But not the DoW Variant. Thin Ice imo is a much stronger, more reliable variant imo. He still has access to is 50/50s, super fast slide that can punish most projectile use, completely useful KB's, great spacing, great damage and good zoning. I noticed some of the best Subs I've played used that variation. Yeah, not everything is safe but it's not about mindlessly clicking buttons. It's all about cold calculations. I think Cassie is great but shes a very textbook character imo. Shes very predictable, especially when she has to go on the offensive. Nowadays, I think she's complete but extremely fair. Characters like Kabal, Liu Kang and Skarlet have flown under the radar because they were being outshined by characters like Sonya and Erron but since their adjustments, especially Errons, these characters are starting to dominate.
Yeah Thin Ice is what I believe is his best, but I still think DOW has its uses. Being able to absorb projectiles with Ex Ice ball is a crucial thing. Liu I think benefited from the systematic changes more than his own changes.

For Cassie, I shortened my blockstrings & force them to block those then I use longer ones. I try to use B2 itself more than just B24 & stuff now. It's really good because they get frustrated trying to look for the glowkick lol.
 

Vengeance135

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Yeah Thin Ice is what I believe is his best, but I still think DOW has its uses. Being able to absorb projectiles with Ex Ice ball is a crucial thing. Liu I think benefited from the systematic changes more than his own changes.

For Cassie, I shortened my blockstrings & force them to block those then I use longer ones. I try to use B2 itself more than just B24 & stuff now. It's really good because they get frustrated trying to look for the glowkick lol.
Same lol I actually use b2 a lot in general because of its pushback. Most people look to d1 and that shit whiffs and you can punish that d1 with another b2 or b1 check. I've also been using F343 alot more often as well. Since theres a gap between 4 and 3 people try to go for a punish but get hit with a glow kick after the 3 or some people panic, react late and get hit with the string ender. If they somehow manage to gold the full string, you're plus so following up with a b2 is what I generally do lol
 

JDE

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Same lol I actually use b2 a lot in general because of its pushback. Most people look to d1 and that shit whiffs and you can punish that d1 with another b2 or b1 check. I've also been using F343 alot more often as well. Since theres a gap between 4 and 3 people try to go for a punish but get hit with a glow kick after the 3 or some people panic, react late and get hit with the string ender. If they somehow manage to gold the full string, you're plus so following up with a b2 is what I generally do lol
Yeah shit like this works lmao. I try to stagger & shimmy with B2.
B2
B2 xxEx Glow kickxx

F4
F4 xxEx Glow kickxx

Then you can go longer once they've seen that you're not going to go deeper with the strings. You'll get a hit confirm that way too.

F34 is actually nasty too, I was telling Lionheart & Vslayer about it the other day. F2 itself.
 

Vengeance135

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Yeah shit like this works lmao. I try to stagger & shimmy with B2.
B2
B2 xxEx Glow kickxx

F4
F4 xxEx Glow kickxx

Then you can go longer once they've seen that you're not going to go deeper with the strings. You'll get a hit confirm that way too.

F34 is actually nasty too, I was telling Lionheart & Vslayer about it the other day. F2 itself.
Something else I like to do is F4 or b2 forward dash grab or forward dash f4 again. It completely throws people off. I had some guy on a mic go "what the fuck? Who does that and why did I even get hit!"
 
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