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General/Other - Bojutsu Bojutsu Kung Jin After-Patch Damage Report (5/14/2015)

Phosferrax

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
Now KJ players might have to actually think and might actually have to learn how to defend, but only in some MU's because the minority of the cast can punish the overhead.

KJ is obviously still going be a great character, but these are the exact kind of nerfs that he needed to bring him in line. I'm glad they didn't go overboard.
 
Asodimazze

Asodimazze

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Imho the biggest nerf is his 11 now being -2...this totally negates any kind of possible pressure with Kung Jin...Was it really necessary after all the other nerfs he got? He looks pretty bad now

I still don't get what are you talking about when you refer to his overhead - low as a 50-50 when it was reactable. Anyone can react to that offline, I do it all the time
 
MajinRY

MajinRY

PSN: MajinRY
You still get 33 meterless midscreen off his 5050 and 37 with a bar. You can't derp your way through every game now but he's fine. This is a huge overreaction
 
TheIrishFGCguy

TheIrishFGCguy

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MajinRY said:
You still get 33 meterless midscreen off his 5050 and 37 with a bar. You can't derp your way through every game now but he's fine. This is a huge overreaction
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The only overreacting here is being done by people who think he wasn't nerfed enough...
The rest of us are just trying to convince people that he's fine now, and that there's no need to constantly whine about him. Like I said earlier, people don't want him balanced, they want him ruined.
 
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MajinRY

MajinRY

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TheIrishFGCguy said:
The only overreacting here is being done by people who think he wasn't nerfed enough...
The rest of us are just trying to convince people that he's fine now, and that there's no need to constantly whine about him. It seems people won't be happy until his 50/50 is full combo punishable by the whole cast. Like I said, people don't want him balanced, they want him ruined.
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Take a look again, the trolls are obvious. People crying saying he's useless or he needed his pre patch bs are who I'm on about
 
Asodimazze

Asodimazze

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TheIrishFGCguy said:
The only overreacting here is being done by people who think he wasn't nerfed enough...
The rest of us are just trying to convince people that he's fine now, and that there's no need to constantly whine about him. It seems people won't be happy until his 50/50 is full combo punishable by the whole cast.
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To be honest, I'm not satisfied with the changes and think he has been overnerfed. He looks mid at best now.
I don't care about the damage or the EX cartwheel nerf, but Kung Jin can't apply any pressure anymore and this change might have killed the character (I hope I'm wrong).

There really isn't any good reason to pick him over Scorpion Quan Chi Raiden and other top characters.
 
TheIrishFGCguy

TheIrishFGCguy

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Asodimazze said:
To be honest, I'm not satisfied with the changes and think he has been overnerfed. He looks mid at best now.
I don't care about the damage or the EX cartwheel nerf, but Kung Jin can't apply any pressure anymore and this change might have killed the character (I hope I'm wrong).

There really isn't any good reason to pick him over Scorpion Quan Chi Raiden and other top characters.
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That's not true. He's still going to be a very strong character. He still has that neutral jumping punch, and a strong 50/50 (albeit not as strong) that leads to good meterless damage.

What this patch seemed to try and do is remove the non-thinking aspect of Kung Jin but keep his strengths, so basically people who play the character can't just do what they want anymore and actually have to work, but are still rewarded when they put in that work. In that regard I think they succeeded. The character is definitely still high tier, but he's no longer a character that people should constantly be whining about.
 
MajinRY

MajinRY

PSN: MajinRY
Asodimazze said:
To be honest, I'm not satisfied with the changes and think he has been overnerfed. He looks mid at best now.
I don't care about the damage or the EX cartwheel nerf, but Kung Jin can't apply any pressure anymore and this change might have killed the character (I hope I'm wrong).

There really isn't any good reason to pick him over Scorpion Quan Chi Raiden and other top characters.
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You think because he can't 11 into 5050 he's mid tier.....
 
Asodimazze

Asodimazze

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TheIrishFGCguy said:
That's not true. He's still going to be a very strong character. He still has that neutral jumping punch, and a strong 50/50 that leads to good meterless damage.
What this patch seemed to try and do is remove the non-thinking aspect of Kung Jin but keep his strengths, so basically people who play the character can't just do what they want anymore and actually have to work, but are still rewarded when they put in that work. In that regard I think they succeeded. The character is definitely still high tier, but he's no longer a character that people should constantly whine about.
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I wrote it before, but lucky you if your opponents get hit by the 50-50.
The overhead is reactable and players with good reaction will block it all the time. Kung Jin was very good because of his pressure and damage, taking away one of those is ok but taking away both is too much.

MajinRY said:
You think because he can't 11 into 5050 he's mid tier.....
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Not just because of that, but I think he is mid because he now doesn't have any way to put up a decent pressure; he has never been a 50-50 character, he needed his pressure to be good.
What does he have to be a top character now? Range alone is not enough, the truly top characters are way better than him at the moment.
 
MajinRY

MajinRY

PSN: MajinRY
Asodimazze said:
I wrote it before, but lucky you if your opponents get hit by the 50-50.
The overhead is reactable and players with good reaction will block it all the time. Kung Jin was very good because of his pressure and damage, taking away one of those is ok but taking away both is too much.



Not just because of that, but I think he is mid because he now doesn't have any way to put up a decent pressure; he has never been a 50-50 character, he needed his pressure to be good.
What does he have to be a top character now? Range alone is not enough, the truly top characters are way better than him at the moment.
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He still has some of if not the best footsies in the game with njp, j2, b2, f2 etc. he converts off anything, has good meterless damage, a 5f dk that whiff punishes everything, ridiculous corner carry among many other tools. What more do you want?
 
Asodimazze

Asodimazze

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MajinRY said:
He still has some of if not the best footsies in the game with njp, j2, b2, f2 etc. he converts off anything, has good meterless damage, a 5f dk that whiff punishes everything, ridiculous corner carry among many other tools. What more do you want?
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You are talking about good stuff, but I never said he is unplayable or something, just that he doesn't have enough be top anymore.
Scorpion, Raiden, Quan Chi, Erron, D'vorah, Kang and others look much better than Jin now. He is not top 5 and probably not even top 10
 
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