General/Other - Bojutsu Bojutsu Kung Jin After-Patch Damage Report (5/14/2015)

[Gesture Required Ahead]

I don't get it did I get it wrong is it 9?

Yes. Reptile has no 7f normal (god imagine if he did). His fastest is his meh D1 (8f). F24 is definitely punishable by reversal elbow dash on a read. If he cancels it into something, though, that's another story.

You know I'd be able to test this IF THE FUCKING XBOX ONE PATCH CAME OUT ALREADY

 

[ZeroYiggs]

I'll post my findings from the other thread regarding combo damage adjustments.

Alright, combo damage adjustments. Overall damage nerf across the board, nothing major as he still has excellent tools. Just need to work slightly harder. I am OK with the changes.

Midscreen Combos Meterless:

111~bf4 RUN 3~bf4 jd4 RUN 3,4~db3 = 34%

b14~bf4 b2~bf4 jd4 RUN 3,4~db3 = 29%
b14~bf4 RUN 3~bf4 jd4 RUN 3,4~db3 = 31%

f24~bf4 b2~bf4 jd4 RUN 3,4~db3 = 29%
f24~bf4 RUN 3~bf4 jd4 RUN 3,4~db3 = 31%

Corner Combos Meterless:

111~bf4 4~bf4 ji4~d4 4~db3 = 36%
b14~bf4 4~bf4 ji4~d4 4~db3 = 33%
f24~bf4 4~bf4 ji4~d4 4~db3 = 33%

Corner Combos 1 Meter:

221~EX db3 4~bf4 ji4~d4 4~db3 = 41%
111~bf4 4~EX db1 jd4 4~db3 = 41% <--- I found it easier to input a d1 before the divekick, same damage at 41%

 

[omooba]

y'all are just thirsty for nerfs

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

I know he can, but what about Jacqui? Kano? Quan Chi? Sub Zero? Etc.

CoRzz Jin is selling $100 dollar bills to everyone reading the first post.

There are probably less than ten characters who can punish f+2,4 on block.

meterburn it then.

 

[BrobaChett]

I know he can, but what about Jacqui? Kano? Quan Chi? Sub Zero? Etc.

CoRzz Jin is selling $100 dollar bills to everyone reading the first post.

There are probably less than ten characters who can punish f+2,4 on block.

I'm pretty stoked I can punish it. It's pretty unfortunate those characters can't. That really fucking sucks actually.

 

[STRYKIE]

I'm more salty that Scorpion did not get touched than KJ getting nerfed.

Welcome to NRS patching economics.

 

[Kingofthedead45]

Some of my Ancestral combos do 1 percent less now as well. Nothing major bUT eh.

B13xxstun arrow, dash, Njp, load fire arrow, 34, dive kick, run cancel 34xxlow fire arrow does 29 percent instead of 30.

Definitely dropping him. Gg no re nrs

Just kidding

No but for real, he's low tier now

 

[M2Dave]

meterburn it then.

Meter-burning Jacqui's dash punch, Kano's upball, Sub Zero's slide, etc. does not make the moves come out any faster.

Again, stop selling bills, fool. I highly doubt there are ten characters who can punish f+2,4 on block.

 

[KIllaByte]

Now instead of KO-ing in 3 full combos, we KO in 3 full combos and one mixup.

30 meterless + 30 meterless + 30 meterless + 10% or more from either low bow spin or EX overhead, which is no longer plus.
Or, we could shoot a few arrows after we do three combos, for the win.
Not a big deal, I'm still playing my game, and I still have an untouched Jax.

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

Meter-burning Jacqui's dash punch, Kano's upball, Sub Zero's slide, etc. does not make the moves come out any faster.

Again, stop selling bills, fool. I highly doubt there are ten characters who can punish f+2,4 on block.

that's 10 more than it was before

 

[jasperWOLF]

Look even if the whole cast could punish his f+2.4 the changes would still be warranted. If you have an overhead with that range that leads into 30% combos meterless it should be punishable. I love how you say (paraphrased) "take my damage but not my mix-ups" as if he lost mix-up potential by making the move less safe, it just now has risk.

 

[KIllaByte]

I'm pretty stoked I can punish it. It's pretty unfortunate those characters can't. That really fucking sucks actually.

No, it's fine. Characters need to distinguish themselves from one another in a variety of ways.

 

[THTB]

Who can honestly launch-punish f+2,4? Raiden? Tempest Kung Lao at a very close range?

Jacqui's b,f+1 does not work. Kano's up ball does not work. Sub Zero's slide does not work.

Reptile can.

 

[M.D.]

Can still kill in 3 combos and a spit, so who cares

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

Can still kill in 3 combos and a spit, so who cares

so can everybody tho so I don't get your point. Anybody who has a combo that does over 33% can.

 

[Decay]

I just played a set with @CoRzz Jin (using jax pumped up) and the mixups seem much easier to punish and fuzzy block. Maybe I'm just leveling up doe

 

[Eddy Wang]

Who the hell is selling bills saying Kung Jin sucks, he got buffed.

The only think taken away from him aside from the easy damage was the absolute no risk of being at certain range where every single non kung Jin player had to think like an AI and "GUESS" if is 11 into low, 11 into overhead, or 11 into F3, and when we tried to poke to reverse these options he would just NJP

Paulo said himself, there was a bug that was putting him at +2, they took way the not riksk/ a lot of reward he had and gave him some risk.

You won't just throw random mixups hoping i guess by chance, now you have to actually get into my head to get that mixup, and work a little bit more like anyone else and spend a bar to do pretty good damage.

And please stop hating on Scorpion in every variation he doesn't have a safe 50-50 mixups that the overhead was so fast and unseable that was +2 on block, aside he only has 1 hitting overhead, not a double hitting move capable of stuffing armor, and make you fuzzy by blocking because the second hit is overhead and the first is mid. His damaging combos came from meter like everyone else, and if you get hit by something unpratical to start a combo with that's on you.

 

[JTB123]

If you have an overhead with that range that leads into 30% combos meterless it should be punishable.

Fucking this, 100%.

 

[M.D.]

so can everybody tho so I don't get your point. Anybody who has a combo that does over 33% can.

What I meant is that damage wasn't a problem, it's still 3 combos even after the so called "nerf".
What mattered is how easy and risk free one can open opponents up for those combos.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Look even if the whole cast could punish his f+2.4 the changes would still be warranted. If you have an overhead with that range that leads into 30% combos meterless it should be punishable. I love how you say (paraphrased) "take my damage but not my mix-ups" as if he lost mix-up potential by making the move less safe, it just now has risk.

Im all for this. Scorpion has always been a prime example. If you guess wrong, you get buttrammed. If you guess right you can full combo punish. Im all for 50/50 based gameplay but make it honest like him or quan chi

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

Who the hell is selling bills saying Kung Jin sucks, he got buffed.

The only think taken away from him aside from the easy damage was the absolute no risk of being at certain range where every single non kung Jin player had to think like an AI and "GUESS" if is 11 into low, 11 into overhead, or 11 into F3, and when we tried to poke to reverse these options he would just NJP

Paulo said himself, there was a bug that was putting him at +2, they took way the not riksk/ a lot of reward he had and gave him some risk.

You won't just throw random mixups hoping i guess by chance, now you have to actually get into my head to get that mixup, and work a little bit more like anyone else and spend a bar to do pretty good damage.

And please stop hating on Scorpion in every variation he doesn't have a safe 50-50 mixups that the overhead was so fast and unseable that was +2 on block, aside he only has 1 hitting overhead, not a double hitting move capable of stuffing armor, and make you fuzzy by blocking because the second hit is overhead and the first is mid. His damaging combos came from meter like everyone else, and if you get hit by something unpratical to start a combo with that's on you.

1 - Can you not block low and fuzzy his overhead?
2 - It has nothing to do with "getting into your head". I've told people since day 1 to block low vs Kung Jin and react to his overhead. Why should I have to get into your head anyways when Erron Black, Sonya, and Quan don't? Cuz the damage? So they nerf the damage and take away his mix-ups?
3 - Spend a bar to do pretty good damage? D'Vorah STILL hits hard and is now the hardest hitter in the game free. She was equal with KJ, KJ could just confirm from any situation given his divekick. Now D'Vorah has an 11 frame low and a 15 frame overhead into mid 40's 1 bar and she doesn't get touched..KJ gets 45% two meter in corner. D'Vorah is a problem man, and I guess nobody sees it.
4 - Scorpion can tele on reaction to everything on the game seemingly. Kung Jin could only overhead or mb bo swing to punish him ONLY in the corner and ONLY if you time it right. Inferno has a full screen 50/50 where only the low can be dashed, the overhead tracks...sometimes the audio clue doesn't even come out and the animation start up is the exact same so you can't react to it all the time. If you don't admit that Scorpion is REALLY f'n good then you're the worst downplayer in the game.

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

Im all for this. Scorpion has always been a prime example. If you guess wrong, you get buttrammed. If you guess right you can full combo punish. Im all for 50/50 based gameplay but make it honest like him or quan chi

lol guess right like Quan Chi? You mean try to fuzzy a 1 frame low/overhead? and if you go low but he just decides to do overhead then you get blown up. I'm not entirely sure it's still like that post-patch but holy shit.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

lol guess right like Quan Chi? You mean try to fuzzy a 1 frame low/overhead? and if you go low but he just decides to do overhead then you get blown up. I'm not entirely sure it's still like that post-patch but holy shit.

yeah but hes honest though. Hes not gonna beat around the bush.

 

[FinalBoss_FGC]

yeah but hes honest though. Hes not gonna beat around the bush.

I've played plenty of Quan Chi's and every time he hits the ground, I feel like they are fucked lol especially with Kung Jin.

 

[Desperdicio]

Hope he gets the Kano treatment from Mk9. Top to bottom in less than a month, but he might like that.

You're very witty today, man! Ha ha ha!

Reptile having a 7f normal

I almost wake up someone at my house laughing at this.

1 - Can you not block low and fuzzy his overhead?
2 - It has nothing to do with "getting into your head". I've told people since day 1 to block low vs Kung Jin and react to his overhead. Why should I have to get into your head anyways when Erron Black, Sonya, and Quan don't? Cuz the damage? So they nerf the damage and take away his mix-ups?
3 - Spend a bar to do pretty good damage? D'Vorah STILL hits hard and is now the hardest hitter in the game free. She was equal with KJ, KJ could just confirm from any situation given his divekick. Now D'Vorah has an 11 frame low and a 15 frame overhead into mid 40's 1 bar and she doesn't get touched..KJ gets 45% two meter in corner. D'Vorah is a problem man, and I guess nobody sees it.
4 - Scorpion can tele on reaction to everything on the game seemingly. Kung Jin could only overhead or mb bo swing to punish him ONLY in the corner and ONLY if you time it right. Inferno has a full screen 50/50 where only the low can be dashed, the overhead tracks...sometimes the audio clue doesn't even come out and the animation start up is the exact same so you can't react to it all the time. If you don't admit that Scorpion is REALLY f'n good then you're the worst downplayer in the game.

This. Exactly this.

lol guess right like Quan Chi? You mean try to fuzzy a 1 frame low/overhead? and if you go low but he just decides to do overhead then you get blown up. I'm not entirely sure it's still like that post-patch but holy shit.

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