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A.B.I.torial 13: Mortal Kombat X's Animation SUCKS

PapaRegadetho

All hail emperor Liucifer Kang!
Here is another example how fighting game animations should be propery done. Even tho she is talking about sprite animations, some of these apply for 3d animating aswell.
It really is wierd that AAA developer like NRS with years of experience aren't applying these into their games...

Making Fluid and Powerful Animations For Skullgir…:
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Thing is what works for one style of game may not for another, anime cartoony style can get away with more in the sense of less realistic animations where as NRS games are photorealistic so naturally their animations will appear slower doesn't make it bad though.
 
I watched the injustice video version of this, and the guy is spot on. Characters having their feet glued to the floor when throwing jabs, lack of key frames to emphasize hit and power. All these details are important for aesthetics, and I hope NRS continues to improve on them.

This is why I just love the animations of tekken. When you get hit by an EWGF, or JFSR you know you fucked up lol. And landing it as a punish is just damn satisfying.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Depending on the martial arts your feet do stay on the floor while jabbing, punching. Tekken honestly looks too animeish, my issue with that game is when you get punched you see sparks not blood or sweat. If you're going for that photorealistic look should be one or the other. Sparks makes it look like they're robots. But I get that every fighter is different. I think there's always room for improvement with animations in all fighters but nothing is perfect.
 

PapaRegadetho

All hail emperor Liucifer Kang!
Depending on the martial arts your feet do stay on the floor while jabbing, punching. Tekken honestly looks too animeish, my issue with that game is when you get punched you see sparks not blood or sweat. If you're going for that photorealistic look should be one or the other. Sparks makes it look like they're robots. But I get that every fighter is different. I think there's always room for improvement with animations in all fighters but nothing is perfect.
Well, there are different hit sparks that indicate what kind of a move it was, theres an indicator for every situation, like for punishes,counters etc. That kind of factor help both players to know whats going on.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Well, there are different hit sparks that indicate what kind of a move it was, theres an indicator for every situation, like for punishes,counters etc. That kind of factor help both players to know whats going on.
Yeah I know, plus it's not rated M so I guess they figured sparks is more appropriate. I was just speaking on behalf of a cosmetically since Tekken tends to look more realistic than SF for example.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Does this guy know that if they made Flash "fast" as he is in the comics it wouldn't be a contest? did he have issues with Galactus some how fighting the SF/Marvel roster when he'd pretty much oneshot all of them? lol

I think this A.B.I. guy could learn from this dude....
 

Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Does this guy know that if they made Flash "fast" as he is in the comics it wouldn't be a contest? did he have issues with Galactus some how fighting the SF/Marvel roster when he'd pretty much oneshot all of them? lol

I think this A.B.I. guy could learn from this dude....
It’s about conveying a sense of speed, making him feel fast. Give it a rest.

Even if this one dude might be coming from a more malicious place than one of constructive criticism, true fans of NRS should realize a lot of these points are valid af and use them for exactly that.

People kept shitting on NRS’ inability to get female faces right until they finally did and it’s about time we all admit to ourselves that their animations need a lot of work too, to drive them to fix that aspect of their games just the same.

Anyone who loves NRS games know there’s a ton they do right, but should still want them to improve the things they don’t, and this is a glaring example of what still just isn’t right at all in their games.
 

PapaRegadetho

All hail emperor Liucifer Kang!
It’s about conveying a sense of speed, making him feel fast. Give it a rest.

Even if this one dude might be coming from a more malicious place than one of constructive criticism, true fans of NRS should realize a lot of these points are valid af and use them for exactly that.

People kept shitting on NRS’ inability to get female faces right until they finally did and it’s about time we all admit to ourselves that their animations need a lot of work too, to drive them to fix that aspect of their games just the same.

Anyone who loves NRS games know there’s a ton they do right, but should still want them to improve the things they don’t, and this is a glaring example of what still just isn’t right at all in their games.
This right here. I don't understand the reason to defend stuff thats clearly is need of improvement. We have been pushing NRS to improve alot of aspects, like bringing back 2d gameplay, the gore, and alot more before MK9, they listened and look at the results. Its imporatant we keep giving them feedback, regardless of how small they are.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
It’s about conveying a sense of speed, making him feel fast. Give it a rest.

Even if this one dude might be coming from a more malicious place than one of constructive criticism, true fans of NRS should realize a lot of these points are valid af and use them for exactly that.

People kept shitting on NRS’ inability to get female faces right until they finally did and it’s about time we all admit to ourselves that their animations need a lot of work too, to drive them to fix that aspect of their games just the same.

Anyone who loves NRS games know there’s a ton they do right, but should still want them to improve the things they don’t, and this is a glaring example of what still just isn’t right at all in their games.
Thing is the female face thing wasnt' even THAT bad on most characters, lol it's a vid game not a porno movie lol but yes they addressed it and realistic "PC" proportions due to the feminists bitching over boobs....we get it.

That being said, you should it give it a rest as well(the game won more praise than criticism), if Flash moved like he does on TV or comics he'd be OP, get real lol. This guy has no case, he doesn't even critique other games deserving of it like SF5 for example. I doubt he could do better, he's just a petpeeving, ranter looking for attention. Yes, they do a lot right more than they do wrong, and the game won FG of the year by several or nearly every outlet. That's why I feel he's stretching with half of these ranting videos.

Also, I've seen constructive critique. This guy comes off as biased and ignorant, hell he even admitted he was ignorant in that follow up CC video. I just don't and can't take him seriously man. Dont get me wrong, nobody is perfect NRS, Capcom whoever but I prefer constructive instead of condescending videos. That being said, I respectfully disagree with ya here.
 
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Johnny Based Cage

The Shangest of Tsungs
Maybe you should it give it a rest, if Flash moved like he does on TV or comics he'd be OP, get real lol. This guy has no case, he doesn't even critique other games deserving of it like SF5 for example. I doubt he could do better, he's just a petpeeving, ranter looking for attention. Yes, they do a lot right more than they do wrong, and the game won FG of the year by several or nearly every outlet. That's why I feel he's stretching with half of these ranting videos.

Also, I've seen constructive critique. This guy comes off as biased and ignorant, hell he even admitted he was ignorant in that follow up CC video. I just don't and can't take him seriously man. Dont get me wrong, nobody is perfect NRS, Capcom whoever but I prefer constructive instead of condescending videos.
YOU actually come across as ignorant because you can’t even seem to grasp a very simple animation concept of conveying a sense of acceleration and movement, which has literally no impact whatsoever on the actual gameplay. Hell, this asshole even broke it down in one of these videos with a ball moving the same speed throughout however many frames appearing much slower than one visually gaining momentum within the exact same amount of frames, so it’s pretty clear you either just don’t understand basic concepts or just blindly disregarded the content without even watching it because of your own blatant bias.

This has nothing to do with this jerkoff being able to do a better job, Capcom having its own flaws or anything at all like that. That’s so petty and cringe-worthy you’re neither doing NRS nor yourself any favors by taking it there. This is only about NRS needing to improve in this area, which people who hate NRS are going to use to bash their games, sure, but people who love NRS need to admit is true so they can see even better games out of them moving forward. You’re doing no justice to anyone at all pretending these characters just sticking their limbs out lethargically is acceptable from an animation standpoint.

Don’t even bother responding, either. I’m done going back and forth with anyone who isn’t enough of a fan to want NRS to shore up obvious weaknesses in their games. If it were up to you we’d have Wonder Woman and Super Girl looking like Macho Man and Hulk Hogan still.
 

zabugi

The only Real Master
He's just being too critical imo. Mk has always hsd its own gsmeplaystyle. SF, tekken to name a few all have their gameplay styles. Nothing is perfect. I bet most wouldn't have noticed all this (apart for kitanas d3 which is pretty obvious). Few games can compete with mkx when playing and u see players doing some crazy Strings into combos, I think tekken comes a close second. It's so entertaining and it's mkx''s style with their animations. This thread baffles me I swear
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
some of the replies in this thread are award winningly bad. If you're on the WB public image payroll, just admit it. If you're not, and I KNOW Roy Akron and MKF30 at the very least are not, then you should feel fckin embarassed, good god


great video series though, subbed to that guys channel, he's putting a lot of time into this. I'm guessing he works in animation?
 
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LaidbackOne

Scrubby nice guy
some of the replies in this thread are award winningly bad. If you're on the WB public image payroll, just admit it. If you're not, then you should feel fckin embarassed, good god


great video series though, subbed to that guys channel, he's putting a lot of time into this. I'm guessing he works in animation?
What did you expect? It takes one bad word about anything NRS related for the derp army suddenly appear out of its rotten asshole to spew dumb shit here.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
@CS Here's my issue with his argument, thing is silhouettes have nothing to do with animation. It's a still image shadowed out for thumbnails, placeholders, pictures or avatars etc. If he's an animator he should also know this I take it he's not a very good one or he'd be making games not critique, banter videos. I'm just saying. WB is a big company but the same could be said about Capcom with all the success they've had what's their excuse for making incomplete games? Disproportionate characters? Odd looking animations? Shitty voice acting? etc, etc

I just think he has a one dimensional vision of "animation" and rants about things that aren't that important to most gamers both casual and hardcore.....he probably doesn't complain about DBZ or Capcom games because to him he's into that anime "blur effect" but to me, it looks bad because as someone who's also animated myself it's kind of lazy. If you take say E.Honda's hundred hand slap or Goku's rapid punches you just see a bunch of blurry hands/fists on screen, where as WB has a more photorealistic style so you'll see the actual realistic animation of say someone like Baraka swinging his arms as if he's really fighting or Donny's bo strings are actual martial arts with a bo when he's hitting you. His issue seems to be more with "Cold's stance" with the gun rather than the smooth animations with most of the cast. I for one have no issue with Cold's kicking the ice cube move. I thought that was quite clever since a huge cube of ice would slide I mean he's not going to life it up or magically shoot ice from his hands a la Sub-Zero.

Nobody is perfect, what it comes down to but there's a level of success or not. What this guy ignores is NRS's success with their past 4 games overall while ignoring their competitions flaws or flops. To me, people like that grasp just to look for anything to bash for the sake of doing so. To me that's not very constructive. I wouldn't have any issue with him if he did it to every fighting game, but he seems to targets NRS games only which irk some people.

@Roy Arkon Pretty much, as a fellow youtuber myself I agree. Now there are sadly people out there who love hate vids, ranting vids, bitching, venting whatever you want to call them but I agree that in terms of bringing something unique it's not constructive nor appealing. We all know and want future NRS games to be better in every way. This guy seems obsessed with just animations for certain characters and as I've stated earlier. I wouldn't care...if he did it with every fighting game, but he seems to have this hard on for NRS games. Like dude if you're going to be a ranting channel, at least be fair about it and rip every fighting game what needs work not just one.
This man clearly has an understanding of animation and is making videos on something that NRS, not Cpacom who you keep trying to shoehorn into this conversation, is lax on. According to you, to criticise something NRS is doing, he needs to find something else on (and I quote) every fighting game and make a video on that too, just so that you don't get butthurt? What sort of deflection is that that you will say this to avoid admitting the problem, That is fuckin absurd and you couldn't fit the definition of fanboy any harder if you tried. He probably likes NRS games hence the series about them, and probably likes them even better than you do because understands that honest criticism is how you get improvements, not blindly defending and and raging out over the titles of videos you blatantly haven't even watched.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Find it hilarious how anyone who argues against NRS bashing, the trolls get pissy lol tsk tsk always the someone's butthurt much. Funny how the shithole of haters always bash people who happen to enjoy NRS games, some trolls on here need to go back to their caves seriously. Can't handle a difference in opinion? Too bad. lol. It's a free site, everyone has a viewpoint. A pity we're not all anti-NRS puppets.


YOU actually come across as ignorant because you can’t even seem to grasp a very simple animation concept of conveying a sense of acceleration and movement, which has literally no impact whatsoever on the actual gameplay. Hell, this asshole even broke it down in one of these videos with a ball moving the same speed throughout however many frames appearing much slower than one visually gaining momentum within the exact same amount of frames, so it’s pretty clear you either just don’t understand basic concepts or just blindly disregarded the content without even watching it because of your own blatant bias.

This has nothing to do with this jerkoff being able to do a better job, Capcom having its own flaws or anything at all like that. That’s so petty and cringe-worthy you’re neither doing NRS nor yourself any favors by taking it there. This is only about NRS needing to improve in this area, which people who hate NRS are going to use to bash their games, sure, but people who love NRS need to admit is true so they can see even better games out of them moving forward. You’re doing no justice to anyone at all pretending these characters just sticking their limbs out lethargically is acceptable from an animation standpoint.

Don’t even bother responding, either. I’m done going back and forth with anyone who isn’t enough of a fan to want NRS to shore up obvious weaknesses in their games. If it were up to you we’d have Wonder Woman and Super Girl looking like Macho Man and Hulk Hogan still.
Nah i think I will...something called freedom of speech and expression, get used to it.

Your post is cringeworthy as well as your lack of respect therefore you shall be treated as such.

Don't call me ignorant when you can't even grasp a simple concept of different viewpoint as to what's more important yet your own ignorance and bias blinds you. Again, still shot silhouettes having nothing to do with the finished animation itself. You can keep ignoring that fact and being naive, a fan of this tool grasping at straws by all means but given your response you clearly didn't even read a word I said, good job.

Again, the guy even admitted that he's ignorant regarding captain cold in an entire video addressing it. Get a clue please. Freedom of speech and opinion, get used to it I you're that "intolerant of others" type where viewpoints different than your own are seen as inferior, well too bad, go back to your little safe space. The guy still has little to no points and you're clearly just as biased ignoring games not as good as injustice yet why else would this guy be making these videos?

That being said guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I also said nothing about gameplay....what are you reading? Lol If I did I mentioned that gameplay among other elements of the game are more important than one little person's, malicious, cocky viewpoint of what he deems as "bad animation".

And no, if it were up to me I would say do your best that will suffice what majority fans want and hopefully getting that FG of the year(which from where I stand accomplished both) you want manly looking out of proportion shit look at capcom, goofy looking characters, shitty storyline, horrible voice acting be my guest. Thanks. Because chun-li's thighs are so ladylike....please.

Lastly, since you didn't read a word I said earlier. I will say this again. I've said numerous times netherrealm ain't perfect nobody is, but at the same time nobody cares about trivial nonsense like wonder woman or kitana looking like Jenna Jameson over solid gameplay. If it were up to you you'd ignore everything great and gripe over someone's eyelash. But you can do me a favor and just block me. :D

He's just being too critical imo. Mk has always hsd its own gsmeplaystyle. SF, tekken to name a few all have their gameplay styles. Nothing is perfect. I bet most wouldn't have noticed all this (apart for kitanas d3 which is pretty obvious). Few games can compete with mkx when playing and u see players doing some crazy Strings into combos, I think tekken comes a close second. It's so entertaining and it's mkx''s style with their animations. This thread baffles me I swear
Exactly, it's not perfect but the positives outweigh the negatives but haters will always hate and injustice isn't even remotely my fav NRS game but gotta give props when props is due. Seeing vids complaining about "flash isn't fast enough" is just sad. What's next, "Superman isn't strong enough?"
 
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Eldagrin

Add me on PS4 if you want to play some games
I’m just wondering why this is still open when half of the discussion is just “OMG freedom of speech, y ru so mad I like NRS animations XD XD” accompanied with a novella about other games being inferior in some way and a good dose of hyperbole about said games.