SALTY 50/50s man

[ILuvFightGames]

I don't see the logic in wanting to change a game to suit the players who don't want to get to that tournament level. As that would balls the game up for the people who do. If you want to play, play it the way it is. Its great that KL spin wont get all jump ins. It adds more to the game, as you would need to be aware of that. If you had the perfect anti air people would never jump in. And that's a huge portion of the game gone. And people would moan they can't jump in. Yes you can "guess" wrong in a 50/50. So what. Get over yourself and just play another match. If every attack had a perfect counter. And every blocked attack was punishable. Then the game would be so undynamic that nobody would want to play it anyway. Look what happened with SF4. SFV came out and the first thing people bitched about was that it was to easy compared to 4. People just like to bitch. MKX has many issues that do need to be sorted out. And I will be there shouting no to safe 50/50s. But I see nothing wrong with the Anti air system. And I see nothing wrong with big combos. It makes it more fun to watch. You might die quicker. But that just means you can load up another round. SF is so boring to watch because there is no flash to it. Be stoked with the game and play more. Then get better. And find other issues to bitch about. OR just play Dive Kick.

"SF is so boring to watch"
Uh, no. SF is a masterpiece. Ask the world.

But on topic, I agree, 50/50's make this game cheaper, less skilled, and is the reason many people don't take this game seriously. No matter how a few try to sugar coat it.

 

[omooba]

I tried to come up with a good anagram for a malicious computer program named P.A.U.L.O. but even his name is working against us.

i got you
Pervasive Authoritative Unhinging Lacrimatory Overlord

 

[ryublaze]

You're not wrong, but you're using the wrong setup.

There are 3 setups that D'Vorah players tend to use. The first works against only slower wakeups (it's b12 into the splat). You can wakeup with armour that is 13 frames or faster.

The second is 212~puddle as ender. This works against almost everyone but a short delay tech roll lets you wakeup. This is very hard to time though.

The last is b21~puddle. This does the least damage but creates an oki situation that can't be avoided.

Generally the D'Vorah player will test how you deal with each situation so they can optimise their damage and setup potential.

so b21 puddle gets her a free 50/50 where you cant wakeup or short delay?

 

[Pan1cMode]

so b21 puddle gets her a free 50/50 where you cant wakeup or short delay?

I mean b21 as an ender but essentially yeah.

It's somewhat dependant on how high they hit you in the combo but they can time it so they take away all your options except guess correctly.

 

[migosan]

same feels, no doubt this game is hella fun when you play it with neutrals and fundamentals, having a run button is like a double edged sword too, but yeah safe 50/50s is truly the name of the game, you're not playing it right if you're not 50/50ing your opponent to death,i just think that if you are going to have a 50/50 centric game, better make sure everyone is well equipped and has his own to counter or to match, because some characters here are just not made for this game, haha they belong in 2011

 

[24K]

Well take into consideration that if you guessed wrong, your opponent could guess wrong. So it evens out. And it is what it is. People have patterns and there is the law of averages to take into account. So you should be "guessing correctly" more often than not. Its educated, and more read than guessing. And you can all whine that its just guessing all you want. But it wont change anything. Every fighting game has a high low mix up. I sucked that out my thumb. But every fighting game I have played has had a high or low starter that can lead to a combo. If they didn't people could block in one position and never worry about taking damage. That is simply the way fighting games are. So complaining about one of the core elements of every fighting game is weak. Maybe just don't play fighting games.

 

[24K]

No offense to people who enjoy watching SFV matches. I personally don't enjoy watching them myself. I do watch them to learn from them. And some moments are pretty cool. I just prefer the flash and speed of MKX.

And the "guessing" statement people make all the time gets a bit old. I have never dealt with an exclusive SFV player who has used it to say why SFV is better than MKX. When SFV has 50/50s too. I play as many different games as possible because I enjoy fighting games. I unfortunately don't have what it takes to be a high level competitor, nor the high level competitions in my country to attend to even try and be high level if I wanted too.
But I would never ask for an easier game that is accessible to everybody, because I feel that struggling to better at one game than anybody I do get to play against should mean something.

Not trolling. I just prefer a hard game that punishes you for getting into a bad situation in the first place.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

No offense to people who enjoy watching SFV matches. I personally don't enjoy watching them myself. I do watch them to learn from them. And some moments are pretty cool. I just prefer the flash and speed of MKX.

And the "guessing" statement people make all the time gets a bit old. I have never dealt with an exclusive SFV player who has used it to say why SFV is better than MKX. When SFV has 50/50s too. I play as many different games as possible because I enjoy fighting games. I unfortunately don't have what it takes to be a high level competitor, nor the high level competitions in my country to attend to even try and be high level if I wanted too.
But I would never ask for an easier game that is accessible to everybody, because I feel that struggling to better at one game than anybody I do get to play against should mean something.

Not trolling. I just prefer a hard game that punishes you for getting into a bad situation in the first place.

The "guessing" statement gets old because it's the truth bro. If 90% of people didn't think so this feeling would have died. As simple as that. Also as for a "hard game" you think it's hard to guess right or wrong? A hard fighting game would be one that takes skill to open your opponent up not a coin flip. I respect your opinion but you should know you're in the minority that thinks guessing wrong for 40% health is cool. What really gets old is characters that have safe 50/50's and long ass normals that are safe on block. I love Mk man but we gotta be honest, this 50/50 crap has to go.

 

[Pan1cMode]

Well take into consideration that if you guessed wrong, your opponent could guess wrong. So it evens out. And it is what it is. People have patterns and there is the law of averages to take into account. So you should be "guessing correctly" more often than not. Its educated, and more read than guessing. And you can all whine that its just guessing all you want. But it wont change anything. Every fighting game has a high low mix up. I sucked that out my thumb. But every fighting game I have played has had a high or low starter that can lead to a combo. If they didn't people could block in one position and never worry about taking damage. That is simply the way fighting games are. So complaining about one of the core elements of every fighting game is weak. Maybe just don't play fighting games.

People don't have problems with 50/50s. They have problems with safe 50/50s that lead to no reward even when blocked correctly.

While I agree in principle they can be annoying to deal with; they're not necessarily broke when you consider all the tools another character has and the resources they require.

 

[LaidbackOne]

It's +22 because if you get hit by it you kinda deserve it... It can be jumped out of. Yeah, it can be set up so it provides pressure but that's the whole gameplan for her isn't it? And 40% meterless?? That I wanna see.

Yeah, I agree with you that this game is way too heavily based around 50/50s but D'vorah ain't even close of being the biggest offender in that kategory.

And when you jump out of the pudldle any decent Dvorah main is going to aa you with her s1/s2 (dunno which one is that exactly).

 

[LaidbackOne]

If she's top 5 you're saying she's better than one of these. Acidic demo tarkatan shirai ryu cutthroat piercing alist.
She doesn't do everything. Gets out zoned. Doesn't have dum jump ins. The 40+ combo is soooo not that bad. It's of a mid most people do the same off 50/50's. And her 50/50 is negative or unsafe. She's probably the most fair top tier character. Stupid good yes but fair and not brain dead

This post is fucking disgusting.

 

[just_2swift]

If she's top 5 you're saying she's better than one of these. Acidic demo tarkatan shirai ryu cutthroat piercing alist.
She doesn't do everything. Gets out zoned. Doesn't have dum jump ins. The 40+ combo is soooo not that bad. It's of a mid most people do the same off 50/50's. And her 50/50 is negative or unsafe. She's probably the most fair top tier character. Stupid good yes but fair and not brain dead

No. +12 Lao was the most fair top tier character and ppl still cried while BS was running ramped. Still crazy how he was nerfed while she stayed the same when he was fine outside of j2.

 

[TheOutworldCowboy]

This happened to me like at 3 a.m. Today. Same matchup. I was outplaying the guy with Lao soooo bad. Then he corners me and mixes my life away. Moral of the story is don't play Kung Lao against Kung Jin unless you're sure you're much better than the player. It's a handicap match.

It's the worst when it happens at 3am omg

 

[hkriderz]

The argument that people will never get opened up without 50 50s is pure idiotic I'm sorry. I play Tempest Lao and I have no issues opening people up. It's a different game. I'm sure high level kitanas, blood gods and cybernetics don't either. It feels more rewarding, feels like I outplayed you, and its not impossible like some people think.

I've won tons of games with him without having to "mix" and make them guess a coin flip each time. And I'm sure if MKX had released that way, nobody would complain that there aren't any "launching safe 50 50s" either. The people that would prolly wouldn't understand the game. Anyone who consistently wins in a game like that would have miles ahead skill than the random who mops in MKX.

 

[omooba]

This post is fucking disgusting.

people like you is the problem with tym

No. +12 Lao was the most fair top tier character and ppl still cried while BS was running ramped. Still crazy how he was nerfed while she stayed the same when he was fine outside of j2.

if you're saying she should be nerfed because he was... bull. if you're saying he was fine being plus 12 i actually agree

 

[LaidbackOne]

people like you is the problem with tym

if you're saying she should be nerfed because he was... bull. if you're saying he was fine being plus 12 i actually agree

Says the 2015 acc who downplays Dvorah. Funny thing is that I believe bullshit posts like this are the problem.

 

[24K]

I am on board with the no safe 50/50s. That is better game design. But I don't see the issue with losing 40% on a bad read. If you look at high level play, they all deal with it and find a way to win. If the majority is saying they don't want to take it to that level play, then it doesn't mater if they lose a game because they can just start another match. I suppose I am the minority within that regard. And I don't mean to sound like a dick about it. But the 50/50s should stay. They simply need to be unsafe. That would help with some of the vortex situations.
I don't like the touch me once and I don't play again ideal. But if you out play me you out play me. If its good footsies and spacing or if its a bad ass combo off a 50/50.

If you drop the amount of damage each player is achieving with their combos the game wont have the same impact. Seeing such devastating combos, and so many hits landing, wont feel the same if its only doing 20%.
There are games where damage is lower and combos are 5 or 6 hits. And the fight will have more exchanges per round. But you still only have one round. And you can then play another. Its nice to have games where you get rounds that are done in a flash. And its nice to have the games where each round is broken down into small battles. Variety is a great thing.

You don't need 50/50s to open up your opponent. You have block and whiff punish opportunities and you have your way in. There are other options to. But some people like to condition their opponents to react in certain ways so they can get them to "guess" wrong. Mind games are fun games.

Safe 50/50s out Ed, just sort it in the pack.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

When people think Piercing > Dvorah

Take out the execution barrier as a requirement to play Dvorah, and she plays right into MKX's meta like no other, she literally plays the same gameplan against every character in the game.

I get that people hate 5050s bla bla, but thats not the only way to open people up in this game, but I only see a handful of players using other means (Slayer, Wound, Sonic, Brady & Dab come to mind mostly).

There's also the argument that perhaps you could work on your neutral to not get thrown into these 5050 situations AS frequently (obviously theyre gonna get you eventually) but seriously, the community are ass at this game.

 

[omooba]

Says the 2015 acc who downplays Dvorah. Funny thing is that I believe bullshit posts like this are the problem.

yes saying she's nasty and she's top 10 is downplaying. even though i have her in the same tier as reo and djt. even though i repeatedly said she's nasty must be downplaying makes sense

 

[hkriderz]

When people think Piercing > Dvorah

Take out the execution barrier as a requirement to play Dvorah, and she plays right into MKX's meta like no other, she literally plays the same gameplan against every character in the game.

I get that people hate 5050s bla bla, but thats not the only way to open people up in this game, but I only see a handful of players using other means (Slayer, Wound, Sonic, Brady & Dab come to mind mostly).

There's also the argument that perhaps you could work on your neutral to not get thrown into these 5050 situations AS frequently (obviously theyre gonna get you eventually) but seriously, the community are ass at this game.

Slayer? Aside his retired Lao, Shaolin Jin's normals are all 50 50s. Also Slayer's patented instant jump 1 into mixup? lol Every whiff punishing normal is either an overhead or a low, and his oki armor break is also a mixup between low chakram or not.
Sonic? Foxy did u already repress the memory of ESL S3 Grand Finals?
I personally despise mileena and even I felt bad xD. Possibly the only set that involved all footsies and neutral between you two was Kitana vs Lao Evo GF 2015. That was a neutral heavy game.

Brady is a grandmaster, and he needs 50 50s to kill, because the only way he kills is with his corner game. Sub zero as a character has nothing else to offer you, I'm sure you know that.

I can honestly play "godlike neutral" with lao, and still get caught and die through no fault of my own. Sometimes its inevitable, but everyone's answer is "git gud" or "bad mu move on". Thats stupid honestly.

 

[trufenix]

-.- Can't tell if trolling or fanboy.

Can't tell if knows the definition of the word balanced.

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

Slayer? Aside his retired Lao, Shaolin Jin's normals are all 50 50s. Also Slayer's patented instant jump 1 into mixup? lol Every whiff punishing normal is either an overhead or a low, and his oki armor break is also a mixup between low chakram or not.
Sonic? Foxy did u already repress the memory of ESL S3 Grand Finals?
I personally despise mileena and even I felt bad xD. Possibly the only set that involved all footsies and neutral between you two was Kitana vs Lao Evo GF 2015. That was a neutral heavy game.

Brady is a grandmaster, and he needs 50 50s to kill, because the only way he kills is with his corner game. Sub zero as a character has nothing else to offer you, I'm sure you know that.

I can honestly play "godlike neutral" with lao, and still get caught and die through no fault of my own. Sometimes its inevitable, but everyone's answer is "git gud" or "bad mu move on". Thats stupid honestly.

This proves my point how you dont see whats going on, Brady, Sonic, Slayer, Dab and Wound all use delays like nobody else, why do you think brady hits everyone with f33?

Why do you think I open people up with just B321 with Lao or just F1 with Mileena?
See Sonic vs PL season 2 kitana, PL got opened up every time by delays, nothing else.

So, its not all 5050s.

 

[Somea2V]

Can't tell if knows the definition of the word balanced.

You claimed MKX was balanced. I'd worry more about you knowing the definition first.

 

[RVB]

So, its not all 5050s.

So you mean patience, spacing and conditioning actually helps you win games... who would have guessed
BTW you still getting tech grabbed

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

So you mean patience, spacing and conditioning actually helps you win games... who would have guessed
BTW you still getting tech grabbed

IDC if people tech the grab, its info, info that theyre committing to letting go of block. Fighting game 101