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PharaohLite

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I think what we can agree on is that you saw characters with projectile heavy gameplay, like fate, deadshot, or cyborg, and, instead of heading to the lab, you headed straight onto tym to complain. Its really not as bad as it initially seems, just lab it out. You'll find that the every zoner in the game has a glaring weakness, even deadshot
 
From the deep is really just meant to check your movement not keep you out. It's really good against zoners tho but the character as a whole is a defensive character
I agree w/ this, but people still use defensive mechanics offensively, and it works in a fair few MU's.

That highlights my original point though, aquaman, adam, batman.. there are characters whose toolbox gets them a presence anywhere on screen, to deal w/ any situation, meanwhile other characters IE grodd have to work twice as hard, blow trait and press buttons to negate projectiles, or jump in and risk getting blown up. Or swamp thing who literally cannot do anything against zoning if the zoner knows to block low.

Buff these characters whose tools are lacking, and gg
 

Marlow

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I agree w/ this, but people still use defensive mechanics offensively, and it works in a fair few MU's.

That highlights my original point though, aquaman, adam, batman.. there are characters whose toolbox gets them a presence anywhere on screen, to deal w/ any situation, meanwhile other characters IE grodd have to work twice as hard, blow trait and press buttons to negate projectiles, or jump in and risk getting blown up. Or swamp thing who literally cannot do anything against zoning if the zoner knows to block low.

Buff these characters whose tools are lacking, and gg
That's not an issue with zoning though, that's an issue with regards to character balance or character matchups.
 
I absolutely don't even know where to begin. Literally, your mentality is the worst thing about fighting game players. NRS fix it so I don't have to figure it out. Maybe bc u just want things handed to you.

My mind is blown.

Again. People like this rodent are hypocrites. They love atrocitus corner game and canary 1 touch kill sequences but can't be a little patient.

I could literally go on for days here but the great players already know.

Delete this guys account. Perma ban him. Delete this thread. Make him lose his job.
 

Baconlord

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I agree w/ this, but people still use defensive mechanics offensively, and it works in a fair few MU's.

That highlights my original point though, aquaman, adam, batman.. there are characters whose toolbox gets them a presence anywhere on screen, to deal w/ any situation, meanwhile other characters IE grodd have to work twice as hard, blow trait and press buttons to negate projectiles, or jump in and risk getting blown up. Or swamp thing who literally cannot do anything against zoning if the zoner knows to block low.

Buff these characters whose tools are lacking, and gg
Yeah but they're not zoning. Its just a decent projectile that helps them sit on a life lead but they aren't zoning anyone out for the whole game
 
I think what we can agree on is that you saw characters with projectile heavy gameplay, like fate, deadshot, or cyborg, and, instead of heading to the lab, you headed straight onto tym to complain. Its really not as bad as it initially seems, just lab it out. You'll find that the every zoner in the game has a glaring weakness, even deadshot
It makes me really happy to see responses like this. Guys pls keep these coming so I don't break the internet.
 

Thingy

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I have no issues getting in on any of the zoners, and I do not play any zoning characters yet.

Too many people want Injustice and NRS to follow the Asian fighting games formula, but NRS is not afraid to make their own kind of game. If you do not enjoy the game, stop playing it. There are plenty of other games to fit your needs.
 

DubiousShenron

Beware my power.
You anti-zoning zealots would absolutely hate Glacius in KI. The only true zoner in that game too. Just admit you can't deal with zoning properly and move on to getting your characters buffed
 
I absolutely don't even know where to begin. Literally, your mentality is the worst thing about fighting game players. NRS fix it so I don't have to figure it out. Maybe bc u just want things handed to you.

My mind is blown.

Again. People like this rodent are hypocrites. They love atrocitus corner game and canary 1 touch kill sequences but can't be a little patient.

I could literally go on for days here but the great players already know.

Delete this guys account. Perma ban him. Delete this thread. Make him lose his job.
The irony in this post.
Weren't you the one who was complaining about variations cuz you didn't like how you had to figure each of them out and know them all?
 

alkipot

Purse first, ass last.
This game is quite skewed toward zoning/full screen fighting than many fighters, so I highly recommend people pick up a secondary like Batman/Aquaman/Darkseid/Deadshot/etc if you're using characters with garbage neutral. It is much easier to keep people out than it is to get in.

I know if I only play Cheetah and no one else I won't have a good time lol
 

Marlow

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This game is quite skewed toward zoning/full screen fighting than many fighters, so I highly recommend people pick up a secondary like Batman/Aquaman/Darkseid/Deadshot/etc if you're using characters with garbage neutral. It is much easier to keep people out than it is to get in.

I know if I only play Cheetah and no one else I won't have a good time lol
Other than Deadshot, what character has a legit full screen game?
 

alkipot

Purse first, ass last.
Off the top of my head, I think that would go to anyone with good to superior screen control like Aquaman, Superman, Black Adam, Darkseid, and to a lesser extent Ivy and Batman. Doesn't Darkseid have full screen mixups with teleport and trait?

I'm absolutely convinced you need to play one of these guys if you're using Robin/Cheetah/Joker and the like. Guess we'll see what happens in the coming weeks!
 
That's not an issue with zoning though, that's an issue with regards to character balance or character matchups.
Well, that was actually my original point.. zoning isn't the issue here, like I said, I've been putting some time into fate and he is fun AF, true zoner because his up close game is weak. Strong presence fullscreen, lacking close quarters - as a zoner should.

The issue I was raising was that, at the moment, certain characters have toolkits which clearly outshine others - why use a character like grodd and struggle in many MU's when you can have the full package in black adam?
 
I absolutely don't even know where to begin. Literally, your mentality is the worst thing about fighting game players. NRS fix it so I don't have to figure it out. Maybe bc u just want things handed to you.

My mind is blown.

Again. People like this rodent are hypocrites. They love atrocitus corner game and canary 1 touch kill sequences but can't be a little patient.

I could literally go on for days here but the great players already know.

Delete this guys account. Perma ban him. Delete this thread. Make him lose his job.
Not sure who you're referring to but if it was to me, are you really going to suggest that eg. Swamp thing doesn't need fixes to competently fight zoning?
 

Marlow

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Well, that was actually my original point.. zoning isn't the issue here, like I said, I've been putting some time into fate and he is fun AF, true zoner because his up close game is weak. Strong presence fullscreen, lacking close quarters - as a zoner should.

The issue I was raising was that, at the moment, certain characters have toolkits which clearly outshine others - why use a character like grodd and struggle in many MU's when you can have the full package in black adam?
I don't play Grodd, but I guess my question would be, are we sure people are playing Grodd to his full potential yet? I agree that right now certain characters have toolkits which seem to give them big advantages, but that can change as people learn matchups or learn to better use some of the new characters. Either way, I don't think zoning is broken in the game, as the OP was alluding to.
 

Marlow

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Off the top of my head, I think that would go to anyone with good to superior screen control like Aquaman, Superman, Black Adam, Darkseid, and to a lesser extent Ivy and Batman. Doesn't Darkseid have full screen mixups with teleport and trait?

I'm absolutely convinced you need to play one of these guys if you're using Robin/Cheetah/Joker and the like. Guess we'll see what happens in the coming weeks!
Those characters all have solid screen control, but I'm not sure that's the same thing as full screen zoning. What's more, those characters control screen space in different ways. Aquaman uses FTD to check people's movement, and uses his rangy normals to control space. Black Adam looks to catch the opponent moving when they shouldn't, and them convert into combos. Batman uses his trait to cover his movement/pressure, Ivy is about setting up pressure. It's what I like about Injustice 2, is that I find there's solid variety in how characters fight to control space and range. Some characters rely on projectiles, others trait, others normals, command grabs, specials, whatever. I'm sure the game will need balancing at some point, but for now I'm interested to see how the game grows.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
I absolutely don't even know where to begin. Literally, your mentality is the worst thing about fighting game players. NRS fix it so I don't have to figure it out. Maybe bc u just want things handed to you.

My mind is blown.

Again. People like this rodent are hypocrites. They love atrocitus corner game and canary 1 touch kill sequences but can't be a little patient.

I could literally go on for days here but the great players already know.

Delete this guys account. Perma ban him. Delete this thread. Make him lose his job.
here's you making a thread whining about how MB roll destroys zoning, and asking for it to be made to two bars, added recovery, wider hurtbox and reduced invul.

https://testyourmight.com/threads/lets-talk-about-the-mb-roll-mechanic.62840/#post-2225954

This was before the game was even released.


You have NO place to be calling ANYONE a hypocrite for "NRS fix it so I don't have to figure it out" lol
 
I don't play Grodd, but I guess my question would be, are we sure people are playing Grodd to his full potential yet? I agree that right now certain characters have toolkits which seem to give them big advantages, but that can change as people learn matchups or learn to better use some of the new characters. Either way, I don't think zoning is broken in the game, as the OP was alluding to.
No one can be sure, but coach steve's stuff on RHS looked fairly optimal tbh. And he still struggled alot, even though he initially got up on P2W's deadshot the other week.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just highlighting what appears to be the real underlying issues. A few tweaks here and there at some overly obvious concerns (swampy's 1 frame links + high hitting everything, stampede cancels for grodd, tools for other characters I don't use but would have some glaring issues I'm sure) so that we're not constantly flooded with Deadshot, Darkseid, Adam and Batman
 
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