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buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Boxer rescued him from S.I.N. labs but i don't think Boxer trained him. I suspect he'll have some punches and kicks just like any fighter. I don't think he'll be a pure boxer.

With the psycho power he has, he should have some interesting movement/teleport like Bison or decapre. Maybe he'll also have a meter drain move like Nash. I wouldn't be surprised if he's kind of wild with not being able to completely control the psycho power somehow. This is pure speculation btw...
I didn't mean he'd fight with only punches but something would be boxer inspired, so I figured to differentiate, he'd have some dodge options and more TCs. Hopefully stances.

I was saying I can't see him having dashes or runs but I can see a teleport happening because of the PP.

Better idea give me T7 Miguel flavour of a character with some teleports.

Because it's punishable on reaction and costs a bar? I mean of all things akuma has that's a weird one to complain about.

It's more than 40 frames of startup.
Except for the part where you just talked about using it for meaties and mixups.

And is it the same punish when the flip itself is active because he spent meter?
 
Ummm, not really. Whiff punish is something you do after you see a move whiff. What you did there was more like a frame trap or just making sweep safe by cancelling it into v-trigger. It's not really something I'd recommend with Cammy though. Better to use her c.HP or st.HP cacelled into v-trigger from a range where it will combo into drill for big damage. If you use cr.HP at a certain range, it will only catch buttons they stick out and then you confirm into v-trigger cancel.

Watch this video at 8:07
oh i do that all the time
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
So, I'm a huge Mike Tyson fan, not the blind idiotic fandom that he generated during his prominent era but a fan who has followed one of the sport's - and media in general's - most powerful personalities. I don't defend the extremely weird shit he does but I find him fascinating and truly believe he's a kind of focal lens for boxing's corruption and shittier aspects. He could have been so much more.. anyway,

So Balrog is of course Mike Byson, is of course Mike Tyson. He, at least in the games and such that I've seen (I don't know about the comics and I could be missing a whole story element here) has never been humanized.. he's just this hyper-stereotyped bastard.. nearly a robot with how direct and shallow is character is.. Ed though, Ed seems to be his FRIEND. Someone he HELPED and someone that can talk to him and calm him down and someone Balrog sees as somewhat of an equal, he's not trying to rob the guy like the entire rest of the world for instance.. it's an interesting relationship and I like that we have Ed coming. I could give a shit about the lore 99% of the time but this I find interesting.
 
So, I'm a huge Mike Tyson fan, not the blind idiotic fandom that he generated during his prominent era but a fan who has followed one of the sport's - and media in general's - most powerful personalities. I don't defend the extremely weird shit he does but I find him fascinating and truly believe he's a kind of focal lens for boxing's corruption and shittier aspects. He could have been so much more.. anyway,

So Balrog is of course Mike Byson, is of course Mike Tyson. He, at least in the games and such that I've seen (I don't know about the comics and I could be missing a whole story element here) has never been humanized.. he's just this hyper-stereotyped bastard.. nearly a robot with how direct and shallow is character is.. Ed though, Ed seems to be his FRIEND. Someone he HELPED and someone that can talk to him and calm him down and someone Balrog sees as somewhat of an equal, he's not trying to rob the guy like the entire rest of the world for instance.. it's an interesting relationship and I like that we have Ed coming. I could give a shit about the lore 99% of the time but this I find interesting.
I don't think there's been another person that I would pick to be on my side on a brawl more than Tyson.
 
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buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
All ex flips are punishable on reaction. Every character can pretty easily jab him out of it or do a jump back normal.
So it's either unviable or useful for shit.

Anyways. My main point was it's annoying he's +2 on a usually negative part of his mixup.
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
TL;DR - Boxing. Mike Tyson.

I don't think there's been another person that I would pick to be on my side on a brawl more than Tyson.

He's an extremely intelligent guy and a REAL boxing historian too, and I have a lot respect for Tyson in many ways.. He's MASSIVELY emotional and cant handle or control it though, and that makes him very volatile. If Cus D'Amato hadnt died when he did, and had lived long enough to stay by Mike and help and train him through-out his career, we'd talk about Tyson in a very different way than we do now.

Make no mistake, Mike wasnt ever, and would not have been, the Greatest Heavyweight of all time, or any such silliness.. Mike *IS* an amazing fighter though, always was, and of course anyone with his power and ability can win against anyone else with just a touch, but Mike is not a 'big' guy. I mean, he's a piece of iron, but he's only about 5'10 (I say about because its been rumored he's more like 5'9 and they added that inch early in his career to make him seem a little bigger on stat sheets and such) and as a heavy weight, that's a significant liability. Tyson had really impressive defense and excellent head movement.. Cus built his style brilliantly to take advantage of speed, accuracy and of course power, and then to minimize the weakness' inherent in his size. Tyson also has GREAT ring generalship, and he took a lot of fights off larger, taller, longer opponents who thought they could play a defensive, keep-away game and use their reach and size to pick him apart.. That said though, his size and endurance issues (when he was in good shape he had decent staying power, but his whole style is massively tiring. Not just in how he swings, but how he moves), against a truly SMART and talented opponent, would have been enough to keep take him out and possibly put him down, down certainly on the cards and possibly on the canvas. Lucky punch aside (I dont like the whole 'lucky punch' ideal, but thats a topic for another time), he would have struggled. His era was really the end of the 'traditional' heavy weight fighters.. Street-fight, all guts and power.. That era was coming to a close during Tyson's.. lets call it 'dark' period. Lennox slowasshittomature Lewis was finally becoming what he should have always been, which is was a freakishly intelligent, massively long-limbed, immensely powerful heavy weight who could honest-to-god work behind a jab (a rarity in the HW division) and was playing Chess to everyone elses Checkers. The Bitchko, I mean Klitscho brothers were beginning to stand out as well.. Another two extremely intelligent, careful fighters with the power to put you OUT but with the boxing savvy to really move with the sport - and with the opponent. Glass jaws aside.

Mike really represented a kind of perfected 1920's - 1960's fighter. He incorporated so much that was beautiful and amazing from the age of boxing's REAL birth. Sure its kind of always been around.. but it didnt really become the SCIENCE we think of it as today, until the 20's on and I see so much that foundation in Mike. Cus was a brilliant trainer and he really understood how to make Tyson successful in the ring. He wouldnt have found the same success if MIke had been taught the more new-age methods though. Thats just too counter to Tyson's nature to have worked. We'll never really know what could have been though.. Tyson's self destructive and super scum baggy behavior, coupled with the media basically nailing him to a cross, then the courts doing the same (Tyson didnt rape anyone. If you think he did, do some research on the case brought against him and all the ins and out of it, you'll likely be surprised), then Don TheCancerAtTheHeartOfBoxing King wringing him out like a hand towel.. Cus's death years before.. Betrayal, everything. Sigh. We'll never know what could have been - but what i think is that we'd all look at Mike as one of boxing's last, great, old-guard champions who finished his reign, and the reign of the traditional/old school heavy weight* by seceding the title(s) and the sport itself to the new generation of heavy weights just coming into their own.

I met Tyson years ago. I was in Vegas acting as an 'assistant trainer' (listed as such to his sponsors so I could get a room and a ticket) to a friend who was fighting wwwaaayyyy down on the card of an HBO Boxing After Dark set of fights. Not even in the same stratosphere as the televised fights, there were about 150 people in the entire arena when he fought.. But after his fight we were kinda milling around ringside because no one was there to claim the seats and no one really gave a shit, we all had vests, so security didnt give a damn so long as we didnt bother anyone and I look over and he was sitting over by the press table talking to a couple people I assumed were scouts. I walked over when I saw a bit of a lull in the conversation and just said "hey, Im sorry to bother you, I just wanted to say i respect the hell out of you as a fighter and Cus as a trainer blah blah" and he said thanks, I walked away, back to the railing to watch the next fight, cause the next two groups of people were making there way to the ring, and he came up and stood next to me by the railing and asked if I had a fight or anything, and we just kinda stood there and talked for.. 10m, maybe 15. Just about the fights, and the guys about to fight, and that was it.. But he was cool, laid back and he you could SEE how much he loves the sport, it just rolled off him in waves, and he made some pretty damn astute observations, like that my buddy who had fought earlier wasn't a natural southpaw but was forcing himself to fight unorthodox. That's not an easy thing to notice.

Im bored - so I typed a novella.

* - There have always been scientific heavyweights and there have always been heavyweights that fight like today's do, but the division has a whole was never structured around them and trainers werent building fighters to BE them. We just occasionally got fighters who worked that way naturally.
 
So it's either unviable or useful for shit.

Anyways. My main point was it's annoying he's +2 on a usually negative part of his mixup.
It's not unviable it's just a fair mixup. If you're aware of it and a good player you have multiple options for counterplay. That being said he spent a bar for a mixup that gives him 0 combo potential and can be stopped fairly easily with little risk/reward or full combo punished on a hard read.

Compare ex slide to ex devils reversal/ex dash punch/ ex tackle, then tell me how annoying that move is lol.
 
TL;DR - Boxing. Mike Tyson.




He's an extremely intelligent guy and a REAL boxing historian too, and I have a lot respect for Tyson in many ways.. He's MASSIVELY emotional and cant handle or control it though, and that makes him very volatile. If Cus D'Amato hadnt died when he did, and had lived long enough to stay by Mike and help and train him through-out his career, we'd talk about Tyson in a very different way than we do now.

Make no mistake, Mike wasnt ever, and would not have been, the Greatest Heavyweight of all time, or any such silliness.. Mike *IS* an amazing fighter though, always was, and of course anyone with his power and ability can win against anyone else with just a touch, but Mike is not a 'big' guy. I mean, he's a piece of iron, but he's only about 5'10 (I say about because its been rumored he's more like 5'9 and they added that inch early in his career to make him seem a little bigger on stat sheets and such) and as a heavy weight, that's a significant liability. Tyson had really impressive defense and excellent head movement.. Cus built his style brilliantly to take advantage of speed, accuracy and of course power, and then to minimize the weakness' inherent in his size. Tyson also has GREAT ring generalship, and he took a lot of fights off larger, taller, longer opponents who thought they could play a defensive, keep-away game and use their reach and size to pick him apart.. That said though, his size and endurance issues (when he was in good shape he had decent staying power, but his whole style is massively tiring. Not just in how he swings, but how he moves), against a truly SMART and talented opponent, would have been enough to keep take him out and possibly put him down, down certainly on the cards and possibly on the canvas. Lucky punch aside (I dont like the whole 'lucky punch' ideal, but thats a topic for another time), he would have struggled. His era was really the end of the 'traditional' heavy weight fighters.. Street-fight, all guts and power.. That era was coming to a close during Tyson's.. lets call it 'dark' period. Lennox slowasshittomature Lewis was finally becoming what he should have always been, which is was a freakishly intelligent, massively long-limbed, immensely powerful heavy weight who could honest-to-god work behind a jab (a rarity in the HW division) and was playing Chess to everyone elses Checkers. The Bitchko, I mean Klitscho brothers were beginning to stand out as well.. Another two extremely intelligent, careful fighters with the power to put you OUT but with the boxing savvy to really move with the sport - and with the opponent. Glass jaws aside.

Mike really represented a kind of perfected 1920's - 1960's fighter. He incorporated so much that was beautiful and amazing from the age of boxing's REAL birth. Sure its kind of always been around.. but it didnt really become the SCIENCE we think of it as today, until the 20's on and I see so much that foundation in Mike. Cus was a brilliant trainer and he really understood how to make Tyson successful in the ring. He wouldnt have found the same success if MIke had been taught the more new-age methods though. Thats just too counter to Tyson's nature to have worked. We'll never really know what could have been though.. Tyson's self destructive and super scum baggy behavior, coupled with the media basically nailing him to a cross, then the courts doing the same (Tyson didnt rape anyone. If you think he did, do some research on the case brought against him and all the ins and out of it, you'll likely be surprised), then Don TheCancerAtTheHeartOfBoxing King wringing him out like a hand towel.. Cus's death years before.. Betrayal, everything. Sigh. We'll never know what could have been - but what i think is that we'd all look at Mike as one of boxing's last, great, old-guard champions who finished his reign, and the reign of the traditional/old school heavy weight* by seceding the title(s) and the sport itself to the new generation of heavy weights just coming into their own.

I met Tyson years ago. I was in Vegas acting as an 'assistant trainer' (listed as such to his sponsors so I could get a room and a ticket) to a friend who was fighting wwwaaayyyy down on the card of an HBO Boxing After Dark set of fights. Not even in the same stratosphere as the televised fights, there were about 150 people in the entire arena when he fought.. But after his fight we were kinda milling around ringside because no one was there to claim the seats and no one really gave a shit, we all had vests, so security didnt give a damn so long as we didnt bother anyone and I look over and he was sitting over by the press table talking to a couple people I assumed were scouts. I walked over when I saw a bit of a lull in the conversation and just said "hey, Im sorry to bother you, I just wanted to say i respect the hell out of you as a fighter and Cus as a trainer blah blah" and he said thanks, I walked away, back to the railing to watch the next fight, cause the next two groups of people were making there way to the ring, and he came up and stood next to me by the railing and asked if I had a fight or anything, and we just kinda stood there and talked for.. 10m, maybe 15. Just about the fights, and the guys about to fight, and that was it.. But he was cool, laid back and he you could SEE how much he loves the sport, it just rolled off him in waves, and he made some pretty damn astute observations, like that my buddy who had fought earlier wasn't a natural southpaw but was forcing himself to fight unorthodox. That's not an easy thing to notice.

Im bored - so I typed a novella.

* - There have always been scientific heavyweights and there have always been heavyweights that fight like today's do, but the division has a whole was never structured around them and trainers werent building fighters to BE them. We just occasionally got fighters who worked that way naturally.
He had trouble against some tall heavyweights, but he destroyed most of them. All it took was one punch, add the speed of hands and foot speed, then add his lighting waist bobbing and weaving and his 'bad intentions' and you have a great heavyweight. I'm not sure if even if cus was around longer that he wouldn't have done some negative things that he did. He was young and it seems like only now he's learned to control himself more. As much as don king is viewed as a villain in boxing now, he was the last great promoter that actually gave you quality cards. We're talking about around 4 championship fights on each ppv, and against the number one contenders. Nowadays you get like 2 championship fights on ppv and against a journeyman. I agree boxing in the 90's to me was the last great decade. Klitschko's were ok fighters, even now they're still top heavyweights, but that's only because you have heavyweight champs like deontay wilder who fight tomato cans and are more divas than fighters.
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
He had trouble against some tall heavyweights, but he destroyed most of them. All it took was one punch, add the speed of hands and foot speed, then add his lighting waist bobbing and weaving and his 'bad intentions' and you have a great heavyweight. I'm not sure if even if cus was around longer that he wouldn't have done some negative things that he did. He was young and it seems like only now he's learned to control himself more. As much as don king is viewed as a villain in boxing now, he was the last great promoter that actually gave you quality cards. We're talking about around 4 championship fights on each ppv, and against the number one contenders. Nowadays you get like 2 championship fights on ppv and against a journeyman. I agree boxing in the 90's to me was the last great decade. Klitschko's were ok fighters, even now they're still top heavyweights, but that's only because you have heavyweight champs like deontay wilder who fight tomato cans and are more divas than fighters.
Yeah, the Klitschos are tops because the division has been shit for a while now. Lots of reasons for it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say Mike wasn't a great fighter, just that he wasn't this greatest of all time myth that's buzzed around him occasionally. He was great but a fighter like Lewia (they knew each other from thier amateur days) in his prime could have beaten him. Lewis doesn't have the ridiculous power of Tyson but realistically any work.class heavy weight has one shot power for the most part. Tyson's special lty was finding that shot (or shots.) In quick, vicious and spectacular fashion. Now, obviously, Tyson losing to Buster 'lollerskates' Douglas was a fluke and came about because Tyson trained and prepared for about 13 seconds prior and took him about as seriously as I take the weird soap poof my GF keeps in the shower.. but Buster still gave a bit of a lesson on how to beat Tyson without running, he negated his head movement and body movement by just not being afraid - no small feat - and showed that if you can stand up IN Tyson's face and defend, like get in close and phone booth him, you diminish his power and you can wear.him down and put him out. Another weakness that Holyfield exploited, and so on. Tyson was a great fighter but not 'the' great. In all honesty, who has he beaten? Like.honest to God, prime heavyweights? Not many unfortunately.

And I do agree that Don fuckingshitbag King delivered great cards, but he did it at the expense of the fighters, venue owners, other promoters, employees and just about every single other person. He is a cancer on boxing. He leaves a trail of desolation.

More.to come but I have to go to work and can't finish atm. Glad we have another fan in here =)
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
It's not unviable it's just a fair mixup. If you're aware of it and a good player you have multiple options for counterplay. That being said he spent a bar for a mixup that gives him 0 combo potential and can be stopped fairly easily with little risk/reward or full combo punished on a hard read.

Compare ex slide to ex devils reversal/ex dash punch/ ex tackle, then tell me how annoying that move is lol.
Anyone aware still gets touched sometimes.

Is that hard read being pressuring on when he's standing?

And other moves being annoying doesn't invalidate his brand of annoying.
 
Yeah, the Klitschos are tops because the division has been shit for a while now. Lots of reasons for it.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mean to say Mike wasn't a great fighter, just that he wasn't this greatest of all time myth that's buzzed around him occasionally. He was great but a fighter like Lewia (they knew each other from thier amateur days) in his prime could have beaten him. Lewis doesn't have the ridiculous power of Tyson but realistically any work.class heavy weight has one shot power for the most part. Tyson's special lty was finding that shot (or shots.) In quick, vicious and spectacular fashion. Now, obviously, Tyson losing to Buster 'lollerskates' Douglas was a fluke and came about because Tyson trained and prepared for about 13 seconds prior and took him about as seriously as I take the weird soap poof my GF keeps in the shower.. but Buster still gave a bit of a lesson on how to beat Tyson without running, he negated his head movement and body movement by just not being afraid - no small feat - and showed that if you can stand up IN Tyson's face and defend, like get in close and phone booth him, you diminish his power and you can wear.him down and put him out. Another weakness that Holyfield exploited, and so on. Tyson was a great fighter but not 'the' great. In all honesty, who has he beaten? Like.honest to God, prime heavyweights? Not many unfortunately.

And I do agree that Don fuckingshitbag King delivered great cards, but he did it at the expense of the fighters, venue owners, other promoters, employees and just about every single other person. He is a cancer on boxing. He leaves a trail of desolation.

More.to come but I have to go to work and can't finish atm. Glad we have another fan in here =)
Yea, don king was all about him getting rich, he did play his fighters and other promoters, the duva's and bob arum at the time, but yes he did give fans what they wanted. There's also much more money and exposure in boxing than the years of Tyson, it seems anyone with 10 fights and an attitude (ie. Broner) is viewed as "a legend" now. Back in those days broner would have gotten beat by any top 5 guy in his division. I agree, you showed Tyson that you weren't afraid and things got tough for him. Also a chin helped like in the case of Holyfield.
 
Anyone aware still gets touched sometimes.

Is that hard read being pressuring on when he's standing?

And other moves being annoying doesn't invalidate his brand of annoying.
man I can't even take you serious if this is the part of sfv balance you take issue with. At least I know what to spam next time we rumble.
 

KCJ506

Noob
I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but the recently released remastered Thailand stage's track has been removed and replaced with Bison's theme. The reason? Capcom was afraid the chanting/humming would offend people. It was actually the same chant that was on a stage in Legend Of Zelda Ocarina Of Time(which was later removed from there as well).
 

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
I'm not sure if this was mentioned, but the recently released remastered Thailand stage's track has been removed and replaced with Bison's theme. The reason? Capcom was afraid the chanting/humming would offend people. It was actually the same chant that was on a stage in Legend Of Zelda Ocarina Of Time(which was later removed from there as well).
It had Muslim prayers in the music on a stage with a Budhist temple.

Honestly, the new version of the song sucked anyway. Where was the bell?

The original version was a masterpiece and built excitement:


The new version was just boring.
 
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buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
man I can't even take you serious if this is the part of sfv balance you take issue with. At least I know what to spam next time we rumble.
Because if I dislike a charafter having something that means that's my biggest issue? You're the one that can't be taken serious.

Didn't even answer my question about the hard read.
 
Because if I dislike a charafter having something that means that's my biggest issue? You're the one that can't be taken serious.

Didn't even answer my question about the hard read.
If you dislike a character having something that in no way is imbalanced and is in fact BAD compared to comparable moves in the game yeah it's kinda silly. I mean listen to your argument, it's a 40 frame move that costs a bar and you're annoyed that it's plus 2. If he just jumped at you and pressed any button he'd be more plus and it'd give you less time to react AND he'd risk taking less dmg. I'd almost understand if you disliked the palm being plus 3, but hating on his ex slide which sees almost no use in any level of play just comes across like you're salty about getting bopped by it.

If you had an argument that was stronger than "I think it's dumb" I'd listen to you legitimately but you dont seem to have any actual argument outside you just don't like it.

Also no the hard read is to jump it, either neutral or jump back depending on distance. If he's not gonna palm you can full combo him for it.
 

Paul the Octopus

Slow Starter
I have come to the conclusion that Birdie will most likely be top ten in the next patch (maybe even higher than that). The meta should shift in his favor, as his most favorable matchup (Zangief) will probably see a lot more use, and his only terrible matchup (Guile) should be a bit better. I think he will also go even with a lot of other important characters after their changes (Urien, boxer, Laura, cammy) and beats Karin. Toolwise, I think he's better too, as the frame one armor on ex bullhorn and better hitbox on cr mp is worth the loss of frames on ex bullhead. The loss of jump back OS makes the game more random and worse overall (I really dislike this change), but is fine for Birdie as a character (he doesn't punish it that well anyway).

That said, I'm not sure I'll play SFV that much once Injustice 2 drops, if Injustice 2 is as fundamentally sound as the early indications make it sound.

Do the rest of you guys plan to play I2 more, or stick with SFV?
 

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
I have come to the conclusion that Birdie will most likely be top ten in the next patch (maybe even higher than that). The meta should shift in his favor, as his most favorable matchup (Zangief) will probably see a lot more use, and his only terrible matchup (Guile) should be a bit better. I think he will also go even with a lot of other important characters after their changes (Urien, boxer, Laura, cammy) and beats Karin. Toolwise, I think he's better too, as the frame one armor on ex bullhorn and better hitbox on cr mp is worth the loss of frames on ex bullhead. The loss of jump back OS makes the game more random and worse overall (I really dislike this change), but is fine for Birdie as a character (he doesn't punish it that well anyway).

That said, I'm not sure I'll play SFV that much once Injustice 2 drops, if Injustice 2 is as fundamentally sound as the early indications make it sound.

Do the rest of you guys plan to play I2 more, or stick with SFV?

Inj2.

I totally agree about jump back OS.. it just forces the guessing game with no way to circumvent it at all. Balrog and other batshit pressure characters get even stronger. Sorry, I know I sound like a broken record at this point, but Capcom just doesn't know wtf they're doing. They seem to be balancing the game for SPECTATING, SFV is super hype to watch, but making balance and gameplay decisions based on that is.. Well, its inline with Capcom's general complete fucking idiocy. There's a great game in there somewhere, but every meta evolution we see and every patch they release seems to want to bury it even deeper.

I'm messing around in KOFXIV, and I'll try out Inj2 when it drops, but I think I'm most excited for Tekken to be honest.
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
If you dislike a character having something that in no way is imbalanced and is in fact BAD compared to comparable moves in the game yeah it's kinda silly. I mean listen to your argument, it's a 40 frame move that costs a bar and you're annoyed that it's plus 2. If he just jumped at you and pressed any button he'd be more plus and it'd give you less time to react AND he'd risk taking less dmg. I'd almost understand if you disliked the palm being plus 3, but hating on his ex slide which sees almost no use in any level of play just comes across like you're salty about getting bopped by it.

If you had an argument that was stronger than "I think it's dumb" I'd listen to you legitimately but you dont seem to have any actual argument outside you just don't like it.

Also no the hard read is to jump it, either neutral or jump back depending on distance. If he's not gonna palm you can full combo him for it.
Listen to yourself. There's no silly argument, I just plain don't like it. I even made sure to make it clear that my point was I just that I find it annoying. Yet you're on this defensive shit cause I don't like something. Just stop. Not everyone is going to like the same things as you and that's ok. It's possible to not like something and be OK and live with it. I didn't even say it needs changing.

Oh and again, you can compare things all you want but how plus he is after a jump in is irrelevant to me not liking ex demon slide.
 

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
so overly defensive, saying anything about any of Rushdown's characters is like signing your own death certificate. He will try to convince you how every tool his characters have is actually shit and/or gimmicky
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
if your home is nrs games then inj 2 will be great. But it's still an nrs game, this is still the nrs community it'll still die before sfv and after playing the beta there are still things they need to iron out. I still believe sfv is more coherent than inj/mkx by miles lul and inj 2 offers a more palatable nrs game

So no I won't drop sfv because of inj 2 if anything it'll be the Capcom dev team
 
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