Guide "I Love My Job" -- Deathstroke General Discussion Thread

[Mikman360]

I'm almost done with my new video guys. The content is there, just gotta make it pretty and appealing now. I think you guys will like what you see.

 

[Coddfish]

I was playing some games today with a friend, and we had a thought:

Do you guys reckon DS would benefit from a fake gunshot, sort of like Ryu's fake fireball in Super Turbo HD, to go along with the nerfs?

You still wouldn't be able to "spam" or whatever the online warriors were complaining about, but it would put some mindgames into zoning again, by giving you something to bait gun counters. Or even just make gunshots a move that you can hold, like Batgirl's bola and some other moves, so that you can change timing and dash cancel out of it to play mindgames with people.

 

[Mikman360]

I was playing some games today with a friend, and we had a thought:

Do you guys reckon DS would benefit from a fake gunshot, sort of like Ryu's fake fireball in Super Turbo HD, to go along with the nerfs?

You still wouldn't be able to "spam" or whatever the online warriors were complaining about, but it would put some mindgames into zoning again, by giving you something to bait gun counters. Or even just make gunshots a move that you can hold, like Batgirl's bola and some other moves, so that you can change timing and dash cancel out of it to play mindgames with people.

Gun stance was something I originally deemed OP, but now I want it.

 

[Coddfish]

Yeah, I don't think he needed it before, but I think it would be a good balance to the nerf. You still can't get careless with guns, but people will have to respect them a little bit more because now you have a safe option to bait shit

 

[Heaton]

Do you guys reckon DS would benefit from a fake gunshot, sort of like Ryu's fake fireball in Super Turbo HD, to go along with the nerfs?

Not sure. I've tried absolutely everything in trying to get people to react incorrectly and punish a gunshot that didn't actually happen - whiffing normals, whiffing Sword Spin (not a great idea), dashing, and even stance switching - but the ones that want to bait and punish a gunshot tend to be extremely adamant in not reacting. For a fake to work, I'd think he'd basically have to be firing blanks, so they get the aural cue as well as the visual cue that shots were fired.

For a gun cancel similar to Joker's...I'm not sure. Doesn't seem like it fits Deathstroke to me.

I'm honestly more focused on using his guns just for punishment, while occasionally using MB low guns to harass from a distance. That seems to be the most pragmatic way to use his guns post-patch, and a fake gun wouldn't really help with that.

 

[DaiHuu]

Not sure. I've tried absolutely everything in trying to get people to react incorrectly and punish a gunshot that didn't actually happen - whiffing normals, whiffing Sword Spin (not a great idea), dashing, and even stance switching - but the ones that want to bait and punish a gunshot tend to be extremely adamant in not reacting. For a fake to work, I'd think he'd basically have to be firing blanks, so they get the aural cue as well as the visual cue that shots were fired.

For a gun cancel similar to Joker's...I'm not sure. Doesn't seem like it fits Deathstroke to me.

I'm honestly more focused on using his guns just for punishment, while occasionally using MB low guns to harass from a distance. That seems to be the most pragmatic way to use his guns post-patch, and a fake gun wouldn't really help with that.

Heaton has the right idea with my mindset of guns, though in certain match ups, I feel it's still better to temper the other player (Superman, Black Adam-ish, Joker) with guns.

 

[Heaton]

Heaton has the right idea with my mindset of guns, though in certain match ups, I feel it's still better to temper the other player (Superman, Black Adam-ish, Joker) with guns.

Yeah, some characters still have a bit of a difficulty dealing with guns, as long as we're not using them with the same reckless abandon we would pre-patch.

On the subject of guns: anyone know the new frames on a perfect instant Air Guns?

 

[Trini_Bwoi]

Introducing Deathstroke's best new projectile!

I'm about 35% serious about this btw. And sorry for the horrendous quality.

 

[THTB]

I was playing some games today with a friend, and we had a thought:

Do you guys reckon DS would benefit from a fake gunshot, sort of like Ryu's fake fireball in Super Turbo HD, to go along with the nerfs?

You still wouldn't be able to "spam" or whatever the online warriors were complaining about, but it would put some mindgames into zoning again, by giving you something to bait gun counters. Or even just make gunshots a move that you can hold, like Batgirl's bola and some other moves, so that you can change timing and dash cancel out of it to play mindgames with people.

Man, Ryu's fake fireball in HDR was actually fucktarded lol. It gave him extra rushdown options, even though Sirlin didn't even really recognize this (How...Idk).

 

[DuskAlloy]

Introducing Deathstroke's best new projectile!

I'm about 35% serious about this btw. And sorry for the horrendous quality.

That would be real funny if it werent true... ok I admit that was actually really funny

 

[RM Jonnitti]

so if you force aquaman to block MB assault riffle it wastes all of his trait time. i think that makes im a lot less scary in the zoning game so if he decides to make his seismo safe he just wastes trait.

 

[Mikman360]

Not sure. I've tried absolutely everything in trying to get people to react incorrectly and punish a gunshot that didn't actually happen - whiffing normals, whiffing Sword Spin (not a great idea), dashing, and even stance switching - but the ones that want to bait and punish a gunshot tend to be extremely adamant in not reacting. For a fake to work, I'd think he'd basically have to be firing blanks, so they get the aural cue as well as the visual cue that shots were fired.

For a gun cancel similar to Joker's...I'm not sure. Doesn't seem like it fits Deathstroke to me.

I'm honestly more focused on using his guns just for punishment, while occasionally using MB low guns to harass from a distance. That seems to be the most pragmatic way to use his guns post-patch, and a fake gun wouldn't really help with that.

A gun cancel would be nice because around that midscreen range, I feel the opponent undergoes a lot of tension because they're ALMOST there. They're usually quite on edge about abandoning block to approach again. I often find myself just dashing in at this point and going for a mixup or throw. With a gun stance, I can pose a potential threat while still having the option to run in.

Introducing Deathstroke's best new projectile!

I'm about 35% serious about this btw. And sorry for the horrendous quality.

That's so good it's sad. IF this proves useful, I"m going to put this video in my Movelist thread.

 

[DaiHuu]

Introducing Deathstroke's best new projectile!

I'm about 35% serious about this btw. And sorry for the horrendous quality.

...I used this and I didn't even know how good this was, is DS's 231 string have the same -16 as well?

 

[Mikman360]

...I used this and I didn't even know how good this was, is DS's 231 string have the same -16 as well?

I don't know the answer to your question, but I will say that it's slower to come out and hits high instead of mid.

Fun fact though: The 3 in 132 only does 1% less than normal pistol specials. lol

 

[DaiHuu]

I don't know the answer to your question, but I will say that it's slower to come out and hits high instead of mid.

Fun fact though: The 3 in 132 only does 1% less than normal pistol specials. lol

Flash can't punish the 1 in 231 anywhere. o.o

 

[Mikman360]

Flash can't punish the 1 in 231 anywhere. o.o

NEW BEST GUN

 

[DuskAlloy]

NEW BEST GUN

That is the saddest thing ive ever heard lol...

 

[Coddfish]

I think a fake gun would only really by useful in certain matchups where people want to read a gunshot and dodge punish it with something, like Batgirl and her damn teleport. I don't imagine it would be a huge benefit against characters who can just sit on a block and punish gunshots without having to read them.

Those "new" guns are sad, awesome, and hilarious, all at the same time.

 

[Pakman]

His guns were perfectly fine before - every character could walk their way in with minimal damage (his dmg was already low putting his zoning game in the annoying territory rather than BS) and some could dash in.

Now every character can punish it on block at beyond half screen.... Fucking stupid. Meanwhile Black Adam can full screen dive kick and be plus (and his trait is gdlike) Superman still has all his dirt (including a 1 frame full screen grab super), Aquaman who has no trouble keeping people out still has a free combo breaker (no that's not OP at all!) and plenty of other characters still retain their dirt.

I want my fucking guns back!

 

[Mikman360]

So the UFGT stream is up now. I'm watching it, but I won't have time to watch the whole thing. Can someone tell me if a single Deathstroke makes it to top 8? Thanks.

 

[DaiHuu]

His guns were perfectly fine before - every character could walk their way in with minimal damage (his dmg was already low putting his zoning game in the annoying territory rather than BS) and some could dash in.

Now every character can punish it on block at beyond half screen.... Fucking stupid. Meanwhile Black Adam can full screen dive kick and be plus (and his trait is gdlike) Superman still has all his dirt (including a 1 frame full screen grab super), Aquaman who has no trouble keeping people out still has a free combo breaker (no that's not OP at all!) and plenty of other characters still retain their dirt.

I want my fucking guns back!

You know, it'd be cool if they reverted it back, but nerfed it by like, 2-3 frames. Just so it wouldn't be THAT punishable, but I can see why, he covers a lot of horizontal space that most characters can't. He's like Guile on steroids in terms of controlling space. That's the way I see it at least.

 

[Coddfish]

You know, it'd be cool if they reverted it back, but nerfed it by like, 2-3 frames. Just so it wouldn't be THAT punishable, but I can see why, he covers a lot of horizontal space that most characters can't. He's like Guile on steroids in terms of controlling space. That's the way I see it at least.

This is what I was expecting after reading the patch notes, and what I think would be a fair way to approach the nerf; it would make getting past his zoning a little bit easier without completely changing the zoning game.


Edit for the sake of not double posting:

Have y'all seen the Arkham Origins trailer? I want that Deathstroke skin as an option in IGAU. I don't really like most of the available ones, but the Origins one looks awesome

 

[Pakman]

You know, it'd be cool if they reverted it back, but nerfed it by like, 2-3 frames. Just so it wouldn't be THAT punishable, but I can see why, he covers a lot of horizontal space that most characters can't. He's like Guile on steroids in terms of controlling space. That's the way I see it at least.

That or the chip damage nerf would have been acceptable levels of nerfing (I was expecting lgs to get nerfed somewhat anyway) What they've actually done is completely kill his zoning game. He took nerfs to meter, chip and frame data...you never nerf all three aspects!

The general rule of thumb is if you nerf 2 categories, you buff 1 to compensate (or at the very least, leave it the fuck alone) - and DS' zoning didn't even need nerfs in 2 categories either; any one nerf would have been acceptable. But no, all three categories took a hit and now his zoning game is non existent.

In terms of design, originally, I would say he was more like Sagat in terms of high, low projectiles that harass the opponent. Guile could follow his projectiles (compensated by having to charge) allowing him to create mix ups or set up anti air traps - DS couldn't really do that, although I do agree with you his space control was still pretty boss (if not the best in the entire game). Now though? He's Sagat without projectiles...

In fairness to NRS I actually think they had him designed pretty well on release (well bar his machine gun specials and trait). DS' whole game plan was keep away 90% and if they get in (NRS intentionally had him negative on hit and no push block so characters could get in), DS would have access to a reasonably good offence (not the best, but solid - again more similar to Sagat rather than Guile) including vortex/hard knockdown that allowed him to reset spacing game and continue zoning. Very simple, very old school play style design. But NRS couldn't leave him alone for longer than 5 seconds and decided to nerf him...again (I think he's received the most nerfs in the entire game since release - one set of nerfs each patch I believe)

 

[Heaton]

Have y'all seen the Arkham Origins trailer?

This, and his animated Teen Titans "Slade" costume are all I can think of that he'd need.

 

[DuskAlloy]

This, and his animated Teen Titans "Slade" costume are all I can think of that he'd need.

Even though im hype for arkham origins because of slade, I know they are going to depower him in the game like they did for this game... fun fact: batman has never beaten deathstroke in a fight in the comics