Stop overrating MK9's Balance, Injustice is better

[DJ L Toro]

BlackBryan, fair enough my friend. Even so, #kanooftheworld

 

[haketh]

Off Topic: Is that Painwheel in your icon?

Yeah, Hipster Painwheel, got it off an artist from tumblr, wish I could remeber the name.

 

[Error]

at least there isn't a Sheeva or Quan-chi in this game (so far)

Quan Chi wasn't that bad, and Raven has Sheeva's face, so she lives on in pieces.

 

[ApertureBlack]

Why are people saying that balanced games are boring and don't sell well.

Most games that come out are meant to sell because of how easy/fun they are at first, but usually when you dig deeper they have major flaws that are apparent. You don't judge a game based on how balanced it is, you judge it on the imbalance the playerbase is willing to tolerate. MVC is a special example, where the game is so unbalanced that people stopped caring.

While MK balance < Injustice balance, things need obvious fixes.(Clash Placement, Ridiculous/Terrible traits, Interactable damage/hitboxes, most jumping hitboxes, completely safe strings...)

 

[Deleted member 9158]

Quan Chi wasn't that bad, and Raven has Sheeva's face, so she lives on in pieces.

I mained Quan.

it was horrible sometimes.

 

[Syknis]

5 can avoid it because the last hit whiffs crouching and I can get punished for attempting it

I must know which 5 0_0

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

LOL. Get out here with this nonsense. I didn't even focus on Batman in the beta. You know the characters I spent the most time with were Ares, Lex Luthor, Shazam, The Flash, and Deathstroke (with a few more side characters) which was basically one character focus a day. I don't know what you're trying to imply about me, but I hope this is a terrible excuse for a joke. The reason you're really mad with Injustice is because Sinestro is not the Kenshi of this game. It's plain, simple, and anyone can see it.

Where in the above statement does it say your name?

Plain and simple im not mad because Sinestro isnt the kenshi in the game, its because hes shit in this game and wasnt kept at the level batman and co was.

His projectiles were broke and op but all else they removed was bullshit

b21 special and string cancelable
damage
less recovery (im ok with them having his zoning recovery way it is now though)
b13 +3
b12 0
axe +1
22d1 +something
throw wasnt a purtrid 9%
arachnid wasnt a joke high -34

We all knew how good batman was and some people were AVID on SUPERMAN being shit (Yo bro all his shit is duckable) and frankly i love how they are now. My problem is sinestro and 14+ others arent on they're level but sinestro could have been as well as some others if balanced right

Paulo said theres balancing to be done so we'll see where it goes, but sir GTFO here if you dont think im right about this. You're right we do NOT want KKK ruining injustice what we want is 24 viable characters on the same level as superman and batman as muc has we can get it so this game's life and longevitety is as long as possible and doesnt become a batman and friends top 8 from here on out

btw was that really you in the chat tonight?

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

and now this

lmao wow

 

[zaf]

lmao wow

yo nightwing lets goooooo. fucking jer plays this character

 

[DOOMSDAY-15RUS-]

srly? i play mk for 2 years and it's ok i play injustice 1 mouth and i am mad sometimes because of imbalance shit, like nightwing zonning EX + 18

 

[aldazo]

fun (mk) > balance (injustice)...who can say with a straight face that mk ISN'T more fun to play, than injustice?

not having optimal oki (mk) > getting zoned half to death hardly able to press buttons while trying to stay awake (injustice)

FINALLY!! Glad someone speak the truth.

 

[REO]

Where in the above statement does it say your name?

Plain and simple im not mad because Sinestro isnt the kenshi in the game, its because hes shit in this game and wasnt kept at the level batman and co was.

His projectiles were broke and op but all else they removed was bullshit

b21 special and string cancelable
damage
less recovery (im ok with them having his zoning recovery way it is now though)
b13 +3
b12 0
axe +1
22d1 +something
throw wasnt a purtrid 9%
arachnid wasnt a joke high -34

We all knew how good batman was and some people were AVID on SUPERMAN being shit (Yo bro all his shit is duckable) and frankly i love how they are now. My problem is sinestro and 14+ others arent on they're level but sinestro could have been as well as some others if balanced right

Paulo said theres balancing to be done so we'll see where it goes, but sir GTFO here if you dont think im right about this. You're right we do NOT want KKK ruining injustice what we want is 24 viable characters on the same level as superman and batman as muc has we can get it so this game's life and longevitety is as long as possible and doesnt become a batman and friends top 8 from here on out

btw was that really you in the chat tonight?

It looked as if you were talking about me since I happen to be using "Batman". If you weren't, then OK, I apologize.

b+1,3 should not be advantage on block. A safe launching string that advances half screen and will hit you anywhere in the air is more scrubby than Superman's f+2,3~breath. Get real. Axe used to be +20 if done instant. It was +1 if you did it at the peak of your jump. He could combo off his throws (and throw breaks) with trait out for 30%+ combos which meant free damage every time he got close and mashed throw. The things you're crying to get back for Sinestro are insane. I think Sinestro would be fine if they just made his arachnid hit mid instead of high, and made trait not disappear once it was out because a clash, super, or transition.

I didn't say crap about Superman, so I don't know where you're going with here. I didn't have time to mess around with him much since other players were on him, but the only thing I remember saying was how his +20 breath needed to go. If I remember correctly, Chris G and I were the only ones that complained about it. And about Batman one of my suggestions I wrote down was he should not be able to combo off his bats on the ground, that's it. He can keep his constant bats bullshit and everything, but the being able to full combo off random bats on ground is overkill. Getting free pressure off them is more than enough.

And yes, that was me in the chat tonight. The only other character I will allow to be buffed over Lobo is possibly Bane. But Lobo should be first in line to get better.

 

[PPJ]

raven needs buffs. her d3 needs to do 7% instead of 5%

 

[funkdoc]

yo, testers hiding shit is nothing new. this is why IIRC Capcom's testers aren't allowed to play in tourneys period, and largely tend to be older "retired" players

example that nothing from this game will ever top: one of the testers for Capcom vs. SNK 2 (Tokido maybe? forget exactly) discovered the roll cancel glitch during testing and didn't tell anyone. he specifically waited until Japanese nationals to bust it out, and ended up winning the whole thing.

as scumbag as it gets...yet that also ended up saving that game in the long run. tl;dr without roll cancel that game dies in ~2 years

also pig, i love you man but sometimes i wonder how much of a frame of reference you have outside MK when you call stuff "unbalanced". i've been around the block and can safely say that injustice is decent even now, and MK9 isn't that far out of whack either. even games like Guilty Gear and Virtua Fighter have far bigger issues than most people let on, as the balance in those games tends to be way overblown by people who DON'T play them lol

hell, Eddie in Accent Core was basically MK9 Kabal matchup-wise, only if MK9's mid & low tier weren't completely gimped...

an important thing worth mentioning is that in *any* game you are going to see a lot of top tier and not much mid/low tier in tournaments, even when the gap between those is smaller than in MK9. games with a strong Japanese arcade scene tend to give a rather skewed picture here, as their tournaments are largely 1 game single-elimination (which greatly benefits weaker characters). the American format/scene tends to favor picking strong (not necessarily BEST) characters who take the least amount of effort - this is a big reason you see so much more Vergil than Morrigan or Zero, even though both of them are clearly better when taken to their full potential. this is not going away any time in the near future, in your game or any other that gets played in the US. deal with it.

i'm kinda just rambling and need sleep so i should probably stop now

 

[dribirut]

Haha woww. I know for a fact some of the people in this thread have said injustice is unbalanced as shit but once roe said it's more balanced everyone jumps on his you know what and agrees... Smh IMO mk9 is more unbalanced as of now. Have you guys seen mus like lex vs cyborg or superman?... Yea no 2-8 mus my ass.. Don't get Me wrong I think this game is fun but they should rename it

INJUSTICE PROJECTILES AMONG US

 

[The Borax Kid]

Don't get Me wrong I think this game is fun but they should rename it

INJUSTICE PROJECTILES AMONG US

All NRS has to do is reduce chip damage and the styles of play will balance themselves out.

So far they have focused on block infinites and interactibles, which is good since it lets the game breath while fixing the glitches. The system tweaks are around the corner.

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

It looked as if you were talking about me since I happen to be using "Batman". If you weren't, then OK, I apologize.

b+1,3 should not be advantage on block. A safe launching string that advances half screen and will hit you anywhere in the air is more scrubby than Superman's f+2,3~breath. Get real. Axe used to be +20 if done instant. It was +1 if you did it at the peak of your jump. He could combo off his throws (and throw breaks) with trait out for 30%+ combos which meant free damage every time he got close and mashed throw. The things you're crying to get back for Sinestro are insane. I think Sinestro would be fine if they just made his arachnid hit mid instead of high, and made trait not disappear once it was out because a clash, super, or transition.

I didn't say crap about Superman, so I don't know where you're going with here. I didn't have time to mess around with him much since other players were on him, but the only thing I remember saying was how his +20 breath needed to go. If I remember correctly, Chris G and I were the only ones that complained about it. And about Batman one of my suggestions I wrote down was he should not be able to combo off his bats on the ground, that's it. He can keep his constant bats bullshit and everything, but the being able to full combo off random bats on ground is overkill. Getting free pressure off them is more than enough.

And yes, that was me in the chat tonight. The only other character I will allow to be buffed over Lobo is possibly Bane. But Lobo should be first in line to get better.

Everyone and their mother was playing batman
We specifically had one person to take on superman and the report was he was TERRIBLE

So anyway you're telling me it's ludicrous for sinestro to have a few safe footsie/ string options that's safe/+ on block for a zoner?


Yea lobo needs work as does bane. Again I'm all for getting the cast up to the level of the obvious top ones.

 

[Skylight1]

I like how Reo is saying the game is indeed unbalanced, but yet takes into the mind that Injustice's system is still premature. The game itself hasn't even been out for more than 3 weeks and yet people are already comparing how Injustice is "already a more balanced game than MK9 itself." Let the game air out some more before you go and make these assumptions so early; they haven't even done their patches yet!

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

I get the feeling that a lot of people talk a lot about characters they don't truly understand at the moment.
Remember when I was calling WW a fish? Take your characters into the lab and actually look for shit dammit.

I say this cause I've literally only played WW since day 1, and still seem to find more stuff with her regularly, you lot have all been character hopping, so yeah, how are you supposed to have a legitimate opinion?

 

[RoGE]

The top tiers don't TOO oppressive to me in this game, I think they should focus more on the weaker characters giving slight nerfs to top (unless they have something like block infinites)

 

[Zoidberg747]

Once they gave Baraka armor to his specials, I use him to great effect. Only teleport characters was tricky to fight. Don't downplay Baraka he was a great rushdown if you know how to use him, I pulled many upset due to others under estimating him.

No. No no no no.




No

 

[G4S Claude VonStroke]

If Kabal and Kenshi were not in the game MK9 would be fairly balanced. As it is now though, it's clearly not. This game isn't balanced either and I don't think it's meant to be honestly.

 

[coolwhip]

Sorry, but when i cant even clash with "tournament viable character" grundy because it'll leave me full screen and whatever health i got back i'm just going to lose (and then some) getting back in, this time without meter that i so desperately need, then there's a problem.

This is not a problem at all. The breaker in Mortal Kombat left characters 3/4 screen too. If you're Johnny Cage fighting Kenshi, and Kenshi breaks, enjoy getting back in. This is just a game mechanic, one that is perfectly fine.

When most crossups are completely ambiguous (thus it's not a skill to block correctly, it's just guessing right), there's a problem.

Huh? Sorry, but if you're struggling so much with this, it's your issue as a player. Work on improving upon it. Crossups hardly work the way you're making it out to be.

input bug (correct me if i'm wrong, but that's already been confirmed to be in inj, right)

Is this true? Because that's news to me.

and a ton of 6-4 matchups... so? that's 3 problems.

Wait, 6-4 match-ups in fighting games are a problem now? You're not really one of those "every match-up should be 5-5" people now, are you?

Also, as my own response, here's a list of characters that have been top 8 at a major in the last year: 1) kabal, 2) kenshi, 3) kun lao, 4) cyrax, 5) kitana, 6) cage, 7) jax, 8) smoke, 8) skarlet, 8) sheeva, 8) kano(? BlackBryan were you top 8 at WB?), 8)sub zero, 8) scorpion, 8) kang, 8) sonya, 8) freddy, 8) sektor, 8) Reptile, 8) shang, 8) mileena. Oh you're right, only 8 characters... dumbass.

This, I completely agree with. For all the talk about imbalances in MK (and it's not entirely unfounded), people conveniently ignore the diversity in most top 8's. Obviously, it's a game dominated by Kabal, that much is undeniable. But acting like you're screwed if you don't play him, Kenshi, or Kung Lao is quite silly.

 

[MagicMan357]

People are still crying about zoning?

Such sad saps

 

[DJ L Toro]

This is not a problem at all. The breaker in Mortal Kombat left characters 3/4 screen too. If you're Johnny Cage fighting Kenshi, and Kenshi breaks, enjoy getting back in. This is just a game mechanic, one that is perfectly fine.

Wait, 6-4 match-ups in fighting games are a problem now? You're not really one of those "every match-up should be 5-5" people now, are you?

It's the other way around on the breakers though. Cage breaking doesnt put kenshi at advantage. In this game it would because wager leaves both players full screen no matter who uses it and who wins.

no, they're not. That's what a lot of people claim and my argument is that they're whining unnecessarily. MK is actually an extremely good game with very few problems compared to injustice.