glad to have u back man <3
Except they might not be shitty Deathstrokes if they are using whats working.[/quote]
I am just looking at this issue from two points of view mainly the DS problem, rather than being a fanboy and siding with an anti-nerf attitude or a pro nerf attitude. Its very likely that DS does not need a nerfing, but it is likely that he does. Lets look at my main Harely, I tried some ideas last night on trainng to attempt to get around DS spam and unfortunately there wasn't much she could do. Walking inch by inch and duck blocking is too risky and inconsistant to use, trying a TS to drop her hit box is too slow and her air gunshots just are not good enough to open a window if they hit there mark. Her options at a distance just become way too limited, but then we say a character like KF, who can use an iceberg and punish a zoning attempt with ease and then cover a large amount space with her slide attack, but not everyone has tools like that to use.
Thats what assessment I am begining to follow honestly, wasn't zoning an issue in online MK9 back in when it came out, because lagw will certainly hinder a player, even a pro-player will have issues with it.
Yea, i dont care much about the anti/pro nerf, the game is new so take a chill pill and learn the characters first.
Yep, I got so much hatemail for maining Sindel in MK9 online. People get all mad over her fb pressure, I admit if I had someone pinned down I'm not going to stop. Why? Well because it's working and people aren't doing a damn thing about it. Even if I didn't zone much with her ppl would still cry about it.
Same reason I would spam a D4 with Mileena, hey if your too chicken shit to stop me then why do I need to stop, plus her D4 was her easy way out of a bad situation and then bam hit em with an U4 into the evil ass combo. Same goes with her sais I get a lot of flak for using her.
I didn't advocate nerfing so please don't get all whiny just because of your fear that your precious DS might require something more than spamming a few moves.
Right on the money, like all things in life, there's risk/reward. So far it seems the risk of closing in isn't worth the reward especially considering the damage to be taking trying to get in, and near perfect predictions required to close the gap and punish.
Who says I'm not a lab monster doing the same. This'll be my 5th EVO (6th major), and I'm known for extensive write ups on labs in other communities.
You don't have to balance it to create that much shift in character style. Lets make up a scenario, a character takes 7 dodges from another character to be able to move into a punishable range and that zoner only needs to hit once to reset the distance. The goal would be to reduce the amount of dodges needed, say maybe 3-4. The zoners maintains advantage but can't win the match with a overly skewed pushback vortex.
I'm not sure there there is much debate at this point, rushdown characters (save for aquaman) aren't likely to get within a punishable range without taking a quite a number hits to do so, and one small mistake, hell even a block escape undos all your progress. I admit the game is new, and probably more testing and exploring to be done, but from just looking at so called "How to deal with [insert character] zoning" against training dummies just further proves the point that melee is significantly taxing.
The zoning issue isn´t a Deathstroke only discussion, Deathstroke itself isn´t realy a problem. I have not yet fought any good DS player. The problem/issue is, zoning and the stage interactables. Pick up a char like Green Arrow, Harley or Flash and fight against DS on the Aquaman stage, Deathstroke is cornered. Much fun. Again, I don´t say it is broken or overpowered but the risk / reward ratio is much to your disadvantage. That the Stage interactables are unblockable is the worst thing ever i´ve seen in a fighting game. Have you seen the Final at civil war? Where is the promised layer of depth? Tom Brady and REO, both couldn´t armor react on that pig (nerf the speed, like Reptiles EX Slow Ball). The game favors zoning with 20% unblockables which pushs you full screen back again. The zoning is braindead, the tracking on these grounded projectiles leaves you always in blockstun, you don´t have to make a read and with some luck (adapting the dash timing) you get a full combo. Online you can find a lot of DS and heavy zoners for reasons. Against zoners punishment is essential, but with this stupid netcode which sometimes only recognizes the half of your inputs it is a disaster. If the netcode would be like SF4 or SFxT, the Deathstroke issue wouldn´t exist.
I was playing online the other day with people who actually knew how to get past zoning.
I was exagerating, anyway like I said I ws just looking at the issue from a different perspective thats all. I rarely play online, I prefer being face to face with my opponent, so I haven't had the actual luxary of facing DS online anyway. I simply was taking data collected from all those the site and then even replicating the situation several times in practie mode and that is where I have drawn the conclusion that this issue can go either way. Regardless of which way it goes someone is gonna be unhappy about the end result. I agree BTW win however you can within the rules of the game, people hated my Mileena because of the D4.
SO what your saying in sorth is that if the current easy tactic of zoning is nerfed this early on, then the ones who later have perfected the more difficult tactics and strategies will then dominate and the zoners and other easier tactics would become harder to survive in using. Makes sense, because then a Noob would stand no chance at all.
