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Tournament Viable Characters for 2013

Fractured_Shadow

Really likes to throw things at you.
smoke doesnt beat any1 in the top 10 except freddy. he also goes even w/ kitana. also kenshi... maybe...
okay here goes: smoke does struggle with most of the top 10, but he beats cyrax hands down (at ANY level) and he does great against that one freddy you might find during the entirety of your offline career lol. im not a down player but i DO NOT believe smoke is a tournament viable character. the reason being is because when we speak in terms of offline tournaments you should assume that there will be a couple kung laos and a decent sonya present. (not to mention kabroken) Wafflez i'm pushing to make that lao MU officially 7-3 because LBSH we all know it is. however, i do believe smoke makes an excellent tourney viable secondary.
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Cat

This guy looks kind of tuff...
I REALLY thought Reptile went even or possibly beat kabal at one point, but then I fought Cat and he really knew the matchup and competely convinced me that it was bad. I really hope he chimes in here.

A Kabal that knows that matchup is SO MUCH harder than one who isn't super familiar with it. Cat is just insane at that matchup.
Cat is a great player and you have to look at several factors. In tournament, when you're playing a reptile you've never played before, reptile is better than he normally is because you know when to look for dashes, putting FB's on the screen. When you're playing a reptile training partner that you know, and you have a good idea of his tendencies...thats different.

Reptile doesn't go even with Kabal, that's not what I'm saying. He probably loses 4-6...but doesn't everyone lose at least this bad to him....lol :)
i dont think he loses that bad either.. 6-4 sounds about right.. and you are on the money about fighting new reptiles..
when i fought tylerlatenr at mlg in tournament.. i was not used to his playstyle.. might of also been the fact that i had not fought reptile in awhile since showtime had switched.. but i lost the first match.. but pretty much figured him out. and won 3 straight..

also fought cossner at mlg dallas.. was totally doing bad in the match up.. but it ended up like 3-2.. i was impressed...
not to mention showtime had reo down 2-2 at mlg raleigh.. and went for a jip into a grab (jip expected to be blocked) for the win.. but for some insane reason.. reo got hit by the jip and the grap wiffed... lol
 

Eddy Wang

Skarlet scientist
My internet is so lame that every time i click the "like" button, the TYM redirects me to a "like" page where i have to click "like" again just to redirect me back here and show that i've actually clicked the "like" button.

Damn

Anyway carry on the Ermac discussion.
 

HD Smoke

Mortal
Now that we have a group vote....smoke should be out of the list. He isn't viable, he's not even top 10 most likely. That character is a joke/fish. Nrs did a terrible job with him
 

HD Smoke

Mortal
Kang/Smoke 6-4
Lao/Smoke 7-3
Sonya/Smoke 7-3
Cage/Smoke 6.5-3.5
Kabal/Smoke 7-3 or even 7.5-2.5
CSZ/Smoke 5.5-4.5
Jax/Smoke 6.5-3.5
Reptile/Smoke 6-4
Kenshi/Smoke 5-5 or 5.5-4.5
Cyrax/Smoke 6-4

Non smoke players need to stop trolling and get real. Smoke is a Fish and his resets are overrated garbage
 

OZZYGUITAR

Back-dash Adam
SCORPION.IS.NOT.VIABLE. lol idk if anyone closed out some of the arguments i've been seeing but let me clarify, at the highest possible level, scorpion has a really hard time setting up his mixup, forget the risk/reward for a sec, he has bad footsies and bad pokes, yea d3 is -7...if you hit them or its blocked, and d4? yea its 0 on hit, how useful amiright? when he does setup a vortex, he either has a 50/50 shot of gettting another risky setup or he will be punished full combo, OR he will take a safe guess which will give him some damage and not much to lead off with, also resulting in loss of the vortex no matter what. Now his worst matchups are cage, sonya, cyrax, and kabal, characters like cage take advantage of his bad poking/pressure/zoning game and blow his ass up, even if i d1 in pressure, what do i do next? if hes player 1 i cant even 33 without getting hit by a f3, otherwise all my moves are too slow anyway. Now in matchups like cyrax, you make a bad read and BAM you just died, no health, Cyrax wins Babality lol, and thats 1 bad read, i can read right 3 times consecutively and then miss 1 f4 spear then boom im getting my life bar sucked away by a barrage of bombs and nets. I wouldnt call this character viable, hes almost as bad as quan chi and DO NOT GET ME STARTED ON QUAN CHI
 

DarkSlayerSmith

Fundamentals in real life
Every matchup is winnable unless it's a 10-0. Even then, there's a chance the player could outplay his opponent.

I really don't understand this North American mentality of "If I have a haard matchup, I'll counter-pick instead of levelling up my main". Like I have a hard time vs Kenshi with Sonya but do I run to Kabla? Fuck that! I work Sonya's heart-shaped ass until she can beat Kenshi :p
Dude you read my mind and stole my line,I feel the exact same thing,plus my favorite main MU gets sufferible when he fights agaisnt a zoner.
 

Death

Warrior
Kang/Smoke 6-4
Lao/Smoke 7-3
Sonya/Smoke 7-3
Cage/Smoke 6.5-3.5
Kabal/Smoke 7-3 or even 7.5-2.5
CSZ/Smoke 5.5-4.5
Jax/Smoke 6.5-3.5
Reptile/Smoke 6-4
Kenshi/Smoke 5-5 or 5.5-4.5
Cyrax/Smoke 6-4

Non smoke players need to stop trolling and get real. Smoke is a Fish and his resets are overrated garbage
Do you seriously have smoke losing that many mus and CSz beating him? Your a trainwreck
 

Justice

Warrior
Dude you read my mind and stole my line,I feel the exact same thing,plus my favorite main MU gets sufferible when he fights agaisnt a zoner.
So does Sonya. The matchups are definitely winnable for her, but most of the characters she struggles with are zoners. Hell, even Sindel can shut Sonya right down if the Sonya player doesn't know their anti-zoning strats.
 
Mann , TYM will never change.

Here is my favorite Seven match trololololololol


Also FrothyOmen. Smoke beats cyrax 6-4. I know its hard to land smoke resets consistently but I have played xsmokex when he was playing this game and he can land that reset consistently. I know Wafflez is falling off due to college frat parties so your boy wonder is not capable of showing smoke at its highest level right now but the fact that it can be done and has been done changes the matchup chart. I could go into further detail in other aspects of the matchup but it seems the main issue you have is with smoke's reset being consistent.
 
Mann , TYM will never change.

Here is my favorite Seven match trololololololol


Also FrothyOmen. Smoke beats cyrax 6-4. I know its hard to land smoke resets consistently but I have played xsmokex when he was playing this game and he can land that reset consistently. I know Wafflez is falling off due to college frat parties so your boy wonder is not capable of showing smoke at its highest level right now but the fact that it can be done and has been done changes the matchup chart. I could go into further detail in other aspects of the matchup but it seems the main issue you have is with smoke's reset being consistent.
Dafuq? I am 100% consistent with my resets. It's not that they're too hard off normal hits. It's that cyrax completely fucking wins the footsie game and pressure game. He beats smokeeverywhere on screen except fullscreen.
 
Dafuq? I am 100% consistent with my resets. It's not that they're too hard off normal hits. It's that cyrax completely fucking wins the footsie game and pressure game. He beats smokeeverywhere on screen except fullscreen.
Well smoke has a faster d3 and more advantage on hit. (7 frames vs 9 for Cyrax and +3 on hit vs +1 for Cyrax) and smoke player love to d3. That's just an example tho. I believe smoke can out pressure Cyrax. I think its more even taking resets into consideration as well.

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HD Smoke

Mortal
Well smoke has a faster d3 and more advantage on hit. (7 frames vs 9 for Cyrax and +3 on hit vs +1 for Cyrax) and smoke player love to d3. That's just an example tho. I believe smoke can out pressure Cyrax. I think its more even taking resets into consideration as well.

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cyrax has a better down 4, better strings, pressue, a command grab and better resets. its not a terrible MU for Smoke but he does clearly lose. People gotta understand that smokes standing 2 has no range on it. its a great anti air tool but horrible for pressure. Smokes only true offensive attack is b2.....that only gets him so far.