Gun Reform?

[Ilthuain]

And it's even worse. Imagine one guy with an assault rifle.. how much power he'd have. We'd be fucking dead.

Very few armed rampages are stopped by law abiding citizens with weapons. Private gun ownership in the U.S. far exceeds any other western country, yet we rarely see evidence that this ownership affords any additional degree of safety. The system we have does not appear to be working, but yet we continue trying, already having written off every other option as impossible. We lack the will to even attempt what Australia is done, because we have already concluded that it will lead into any number of fairly implausible nightmare scenarios, from complete social breakdown to the rise of an absolute dictator.

Limiting the legal purchase of guns doesn't decrease the amount of illegal weapons in circulation in the short term, but it will eventually impact availability. This isn't like drugs or alcohol, your Average Joe with a chemistry set can't manufacture an FN FAL in his garage. There still will be criminal organizations with access to weapons, but it won't be quite as easy for a psychologically impaired person to get his hands on a powerful firearm on a moment's notice.

...but that's beside the point, because we're not actually going to do anything about it. For all we like to rend our garments in public over things like school shootings and movie-house massacres, we're not willing to sacrifice anything to make it not happen quite as often. We'll just complain a little and play the gun-control debate game for a few months and act all surprised when a couple dozen kids get blown apart by another mentally ill dude who needed an arsenal so he could defend our freedoms against a potential Hitler.

 

[Illmatix]

Yeah he could have been more calm. He's an extremely powerful debater even without raising his voice. You're being censored?

dude i understand why he talked over him the whole time because thats what bill o'riley did to lupe on his show, the best defense is a good offense.

 

[Illmatix]

Very few armed rampages are stopped by law abiding citizens with weapons. Private gun ownership in the U.S. far exceeds any other western country, yet we rarely see evidence that this ownership affords any additional degree of safety. The system we have does not appear to be working, but yet we continue trying, already having written off every other option as impossible. We lack the will to even attempt what Australia is done, because we have already concluded that it will lead into any number of fairly implausible nightmare scenarios, from complete social breakdown to the rise of an absolute dictator.

Limiting the legal purchase of guns doesn't decrease the amount of illegal weapons in circulation in the short term, but it will eventually impact availability. This isn't like drugs or alcohol, your Average Joe with a chemistry set can't manufacture an FN FAL in his garage. There still will be criminal organizations with access to weapons, but it won't be quite as easy for a psychologically impaired person to get his hands on a powerful firearm on a moment's notice.

...but that's beside the point, because we're not actually going to do anything about it. For all we like to rend our garments in public over things like school shootings and movie-house massacres, we're not willing to sacrifice anything to make it not happen quite as often. We'll just complain a little and play the gun-control debate game for a few months and act all surprised when a couple dozen kids get blown apart by another mentally ill dude who needed an arsenal so he could defend our freedoms against a potential Hitler.

psychological evaluations is the answer then correct?

 

[Zoidberg747]

Very few armed rampages are stopped by law abiding citizens with weapons. Private gun ownership in the U.S. far exceeds any other western country, yet we rarely see evidence that this ownership affords any additional degree of safety. The system we have does not appear to be working, but yet we continue trying, already having written off every other option as impossible. We lack the will to even attempt what Australia is done, because we have already concluded that it will lead into any number of fairly implausible nightmare scenarios, from complete social breakdown to the rise of an absolute dictator.

Limiting the legal purchase of guns doesn't decrease the amount of illegal weapons in circulation in the short term, but it will eventually impact availability. This isn't like drugs or alcohol, your Average Joe with a chemistry set can't manufacture an FN FAL in his garage. There still will be criminal organizations with access to weapons, but it won't be quite as easy for a psychologically impaired person to get his hands on a powerful firearm on a moment's notice.

...but that's beside the point, because we're not actually going to do anything about it. For all we like to rend our garments in public over things like school shootings and movie-house massacres, we're not willing to sacrifice anything to make it not happen quite as often. We'll just complain a little and play the gun-control debate game for a few months and act all surprised when a couple dozen kids get blown apart by another mentally ill dude who needed an arsenal so he could defend our freedoms against a potential Hitler.

This is actually incorrect.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_crimes_are_stopped_by_gun_owners

Many crimes are stopped by legal gun owners, whether police or citizens. HOWEVER there are almost no cases where an assault rifle was needed. People need to realize that the gun control debate is less about banning guns and more about how strict restrictions should be and reforming the steps necessary to acquire a gun.

psychological evaluations is the answer then correct?

Not the complete answer, but definitely a step in the right direction.

 

[nwo]

This is actually incorrect.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_crimes_are_stopped_by_gun_owners

Many crimes are stopped by legal gun owners, whether police or citizens. HOWEVER there are almost no cases where an assault rifle was needed. People need to realize that the gun control debate is less about banning guns and more about how strict restrictions should be and reforming the steps necessary to acquire a gun.



Not the complete answer, but definitely a step in the right direction.

They aren't really "assault" weapons. They are semi-automatic non military rifles. Many hunting rifles shoot the same caliber bullets.

I'm not here to debate this, I'm actually gonna go watch the second half of the football game now.

 

[Illmatix]

They aren't really "assault" weapons. They are semi-automatic non military rifles. Many hunting rifles shoot the same caliber bullets.

I'm not here to debate this, I'm actually gonna go watch the second half of the football game now.

yea don't we already have heavy restrictions on Class 3 weapons?

 

[Flagg]

it depends. am i protesting the government and getting dispersed with tear gas? i'd feel pretty safe once i move up the economic ladder and have a place around the palace. ^.^

but seriously yo, idgaf about europe the only time ill be there is if im stationed there. if they got problems because they gave up their rights it's on them.

But we dont have problems, that's just it.

Answer the question, would you feel unsafe walking around there without a firearm?

 

[Illmatix]

But we dont have problems, that's just it.

Answer the question, would you feel unsafe walking around there without a firearm?

i'd feel unsafe in any hood, any economically deprived area. Gun or Not.

 

[Flagg]

i'd feel unsafe in any hood, any economically deprived area. Gun or Not.

Europe isn't a economically deprived hood you uneducated obnoxious little shit.

 

[BillStickers]

IMO Congress should repeal the 2nd Amendment and impose an absolute ban on firearms for civilians. These ridiculous scenarios that pro-gun IDIOTS present are amazingly short-sighted.

Hmm, let's consider a scenario: guy shows up to my door with a gun. I open the door, he shoves the gun in my face and tells me to give him all of my money. I, THE BRAVE COWBOY AMERICAN I AM, PULL OUT MY GUN FROM MY HOLSTER. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, YOU FUCKING MORONS? I GET SHOT IN THE HEAD. You know what would have happened if I didn't have a gun? The dude gets my money and gets his crack fix, whoopdeedoo. At least I'm fucking ALIVE. The same shit happens in the so-called 'hood' you whitebread bitches talk about all the time. When people pull guns on each other in self-defense, PEOPLE GET SHOT. This 'self-protection' BULLSHIT is a FACADE; you're only opening yourself up to getting shot in the face.

And protecting ourselves against the GOVERNMENT? Don't fucking make me laugh. If the US government wants to attack its own people, do you realize how FUCKED you all are, even WITH your guns? You're going to be tear gassed, carpet bombed, nuked, burned with microwave radiation, poisoned with chemical weapons, and shot by SKILLED MARKSMEN with FULLY-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS and the proper gear to survive in this bizarre post-apocalyptic scenario. Any of you who truly rot your minds with FOX News enough to believe that you fucking simpletons will be able to constitute ANY KIND OF WELL-FORMED MILITIA are KIDDING YOURSELVES.

WAKE UP, YOU FUCKING REDNECKS.

 

[Zoidberg747]

They aren't really "assault" weapons. They are semi-automatic non military rifles. Many hunting rifles shoot the same caliber bullets.

I'm not here to debate this, I'm actually gonna go watch the second half of the football game now.

I looked this up and this is actually true, it doesnt have that much faster rate of fire. However it does if the shooter is shooting with minimal precision, which is what most shootings are due to them being in closed spaces, so you also have to take that into account.

 

[Zoidberg747]

yea don't we already have heavy restrictions on Class 3 weapons?

Yeah but they are not strong enough

Edit: ANNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDDD now this thread turns ugly, lol

 

[NapoleonComplex]

Europe isn't a economically deprived hood you uneducated obnoxious little shit.

Are you some kind of European nationalist? lol

 

[NapoleonComplex]

IMO Congress should repeal the 2nd Amendment and impose an absolute ban on firearms for civilians. These ridiculous scenarios that pro-gun IDIOTS present are amazingly short-sighted.

Hmm, let's consider a scenario: guy shows up to my door with a gun. I open the door, he shoves the gun in my face and tells me to give him all of my money. I, THE BRAVE COWBOY AMERICAN I AM, PULL OUT MY GUN FROM MY HOLSTER. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT, YOU FUCKING MORONS? I GET SHOT IN THE HEAD. You know what would have happened if I didn't have a gun? The dude gets my money and gets his crack fix, whoopdeedoo. At least I'm fucking ALIVE. The same shit happens in the so-called 'hood' you whitebread bitches talk about all the time. When people pull guns on each other in self-defense, PEOPLE GET SHOT. This 'self-protection' BULLSHIT is a FACADE; you're only opening yourself up to getting shot in the face.

And protecting ourselves against the GOVERNMENT? Don't fucking make me laugh. If the US government wants to attack its own people, do you realize how FUCKED you all are, even WITH your guns? You're going to be tear gassed, carpet bombed, nuked, burned with microwave radiation, poisoned with chemical weapons, and shot by SKILLED MARKSMEN with FULLY-AUTOMATIC WEAPONS and the proper gear to survive in this bizarre post-apocalyptic scenario. Any of you who truly rot your minds with FOX News enough to believe that you fucking simpletons will be able to constitute ANY KIND OF WELL-FORMED MILITIA are KIDDING YOURSELVES.

WAKE UP, YOU FUCKING REDNECKS.

I think you need a psychological evaluation. NO GUNS FOR YOU.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Are you some kind of European nationalist? lol

Even though flagg said it in a pretty rrude manner, Europe is actually very economically succesful(At least the UK is). Although I dont doubt there is some poverty there, Id be willing to bet it doesnt even compare to the amount we have.

 

[NapoleonComplex]

Even though flagg said it in a pretty rrude manner, Europe is actually very economically succesful(At least the UK is). Although I dont doubt there is some poverty there, Id be willing to bet it doesnt even compare to the amount we have.

I know but he's getting really defensive like it's some kinda personal insult..

 

[Flagg]

Are you some kind of European nationalist? lol

No, the nationalist here is you. You clearly have a problem with Britain or non American countries, hence the insulting link you first posted in here.

I asked if he would feel safe travelling to the UK or Europe without a gun and he said he'd feel unsafe in any economically deprived hood. Either that's what he is saying the place I was born in, is, or he just doesnt want to answer the question. I have travelled a lot and been to many countries around the world. Not once in my life whilst living in the UK have I seriously wondered or worried about being shot.

Either have something constructive to add to this debate or just leave.

 

[NapoleonComplex]

No, the nationalist here is you. You clearly have a problem with Britain or non American countries, hence the insulting link you first posted in here.

I asked if he would feel safe travelling to the UK or Europe without a gun and he said he'd feel unsafe in any economically deprived hood. Either that's what he is saying the place I was born in, is, or he just doesnt want to answer the question. I have travelled a lot and been to many countries around the world. Not once in my life whilst living in the UK have I seriously wondered or worried about being shot.

Either have something constructive to add to this debate or just leave.

I didn't make the site. Calm the fuck down. He just said he'd feel safe in any econmically deprived hood regardless of where it was

 

[Flagg]

Even though flagg said it in a pretty rrude manner, Europe is actually very economically succesful(At least the UK is). Although I dont doubt there is some poverty there, Id be willing to bet it doesnt even compare to the amount we have.

The UK has really tough austerity measures at the moment, we are still in a recession and unemployment is still high, but thats the state of the world. However, our national debt, is declining. No one likes the austerity measures, but they will work out better for us in the long run.

 

[LesMore]

lol man. You think american soldiers are going to just stroll up and start killing everyone? For what? It would destroy the country and all the value that those rich people would have, because it would destroy the value of their money. The reason we are the way we are now is because freedom is easier than slavery.

I definitely do not think American soldiers would do this, but, whats to stop the powers that be to do something like this with troops from a foreign country. I mean cmon, I am not an insane conspiracy theorist... but the possibility is still there... Look at Hitlers annexation of poland, the nightmare started for other countries first before he brought the terror home, and how did he gin up the populace to turn into murderer's... by ginning up nationalist hatred of inferior races like gews gypsys and slavs... Now just remove poland and replace Iraq and Afganistan, then take Gypys jews and slavs and turn them into Welfare slobs, Mexicans and Arabs... see any resemblance there?

 

[The Green Machine]

I definitely do not think American soldiers would do this, but, whats to stop the powers that be to do something like this with troops from a foreign country. I mean cmon, I am not an insane conspiracy theorist... but the possibility is still there... Look at Hitlers annexation of poland, the nightmare started for other countries first before he brought the terror home, and how did he gin up the populace to turn into murderer's... by ginning up nationalist hatred of inferior races like gews gypsys and slavs... Now just remove poland and replace Iraq and Afganistan, then take Gypys jews and slavs and turn them into Welfare slobs, Mexicans and Arabs... see any resemblance there?

What would be the benefit though? There are none.

 

[Illmatix]

Europe isn't a economically deprived hood you uneducated obnoxious little shit.

dude calm down i didnt mean to call it that, you misunderstand that every place had hoods/ghettos/cities and every place has country sides and suburbs so how can you ask if i'd feel safe in a country is all i meant. if you're so confident stand around your local ghetto and ask yourself that question.


btw hood life isnt always a crazy mission for survival... but we shouldnt downplay deprivation fueled violence.

 

[Illmatix]

Europe isn't a economically deprived hood you uneducated obnoxious little shit.

who promised me no judgements? add this to the list.

 

[Zoidberg747]

I definitely do not think American soldiers would do this, but, whats to stop the powers that be to do something like this with troops from a foreign country. I mean cmon, I am not an insane conspiracy theorist... but the possibility is still there... Look at Hitlers annexation of poland, the nightmare started for other countries first before he brought the terror home, and how did he gin up the populace to turn into murderer's... by ginning up nationalist hatred of inferior races like gews gypsys and slavs... Now just remove poland and replace Iraq and Afganistan, then take Gypys jews and slavs and turn them into Welfare slobs, Mexicans and Arabs... see any resemblance there?

Nah, you are definitely a conspiracy theorist.

If Obama did do this NATO would be all over him and most likely either stop him or take him out of power.

And if he did use soldiers from other countries let him. The United States military is one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world.

Not that he ever would, because no president of the U.S. has ever done this because it would be really dumb to do so.

 

[LesMore]

lol man. You think american soldiers are going to just stroll up and start killing everyone? For what? It would destroy the country and all the value that those rich people would have, because it would destroy the value of their money. The reason we are the way we are now is because freedom is easier than slavery.

Our freedom comes at the cost of communist slaves now making all of our goods, see CHINA... America is addicted to slave labor... once the unions and civil rights stopped allowing our own citizens to be the slaves we just outsourced all the work to modern slaves in communist countries... Now times are so tough people are begging to be dissolve "those damn unions" and become the slaves again, while all along it is just buisness as usual for the rich who control this country....