Match-up Discussion MIT's reptile MU chart

[Obs_SmSwag]

stoop to my lvl? haha dnt even try and make me seem like the bad guy, your the one acting like you know lao better than me........ yet no offline xp vs top laos offline tho, and i have fought PL and pboard. I'd act like this if you started talking trash, bcuz i know wassup. Nothing is unorganized actually, and i have school work too lol, not an excuse. The last time you even contacted me via PM or something like that was months ago. You not on our lvls and never will be bcuz you run your mouth, but dnt have what it takes to back it up, that's keeping it real, something i always do, dnt give a crap if ppl like it or not. I've dealt with this for a while now, and i always find ways to prove ppl wrong, it isn't hard bcuz I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, big lightbulb should cast upon your head and maybe you'll realize that you dnt know lao better than me, but if you must, i have no issue blowing your lao up.

That's the thing though, I don't run my mouth. Also I have Dab and Flawed's numbers and nobody gets back to me. You guys do not have a consistent meet up day or time. When I pm'd you, the plan was for that Saturday and nobody met up... Also, why do I need offline experience against a character i've been using for 1/3rd of a year? Get the hell outta here

You haven't proven me wrong, all you did was curse and assume you know Lao more than me. Get at me if you're trying to play. I hope what you're typing isn't really how you feel man, because we're throwin' fist if you come at me like this in person. Pick a day and a time, i'm done talkin'.

 

[Chongo]

;_;

 

[Chongo]

Can we please go back to talking about MU's? ;_;

 

[Axel_Redd]

Can we please go back to talking about MU's? ;_;

or ur derpy eyed reptile

 

[Chongo]

or ur derpy eyed reptile

You don't get to decide these things, Catch.

 

[Axel_Redd]

You don't get to decide these things, Catch.

Better watch out, or i'll expose u

 

[Chongo]

Better watch out, or i'll expose u

;_;

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Can we please go back to talking about MU's? ;_;

oh i'm fine with that, but if another person comes in here trying to act like someone else doesn't know anything about what they're talking about................, anyways, what is yall opinions on how many bad mus you believe he has and list them, i believe he only has 5 (kabal, cyrax, sonya, cage, liu).

 

[Chongo]

oh i'm fine with that, but if another person comes in here trying to act like someone else doesn't know anything about what they're talking about................, anyways, what is yall opinions on how many bad mus you believe he has and list them, i believe he only has 5 (kabal, cyrax, sonya, cage, liu).

Sonya is the worst, no doubt about it.
Kabal
Cyrax
Skarlet seems bad, I have it down as a 4-6,
Cage could be either 4-6 or a 5-5.
Kang feels like a 5-5.

Not saying I'm right and that these are the right numbers, just stating my opinion, which anyone and everyone is free to disagree with. I'm down for healthy discussion with no drama involved.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Sonya is the worst, no doubt about it.
Kabal
Cyrax
Skarlet seems bad, I have it down as a 4-6,
Cage could be either 4-6 or a 5-5.
Kang feels like a 5-5.

Not saying I'm right and that these are the right numbers, just stating my opinion, which anyone and everyone is free to disagree with. I'm down for healthy discussion with no drama involved.

not a problem, i want to see what every reptile thinks his bad mus are, then we can all help each other out, that's my main purpose of this.

 

[Chongo]

not a problem, i want to see what every reptile thinks his bad mus are, then we can all help each other out, that's my main purpose of this.

I also feel that Lao and Freddy could be seen as slight disadvantage, but I don't really play those MU's enough to comment on it.

At the end of the day, you have way more experience and tournament placings with Reptile, so I trust your #'s.

 

[crosstalk]

Remember when Reptile-Cage was 7-3 in Reptile's favor?

 

[Chongo]

Remember when Reptile-Cage was 7-3 in Reptile's favor?

Remember when CSZ and Milena were top 5?

Oh god I miss those days lol.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

I also feel that Lao and Freddy could be seen as slight disadvantage, but I don't really play those MU's enough to comment on it.

At the end of the day, you have way more experience and tournament placings with Reptile, so I trust your #'s.

i have actually heard multiple reptiles say that lao baets him, i need to get some more play vs freddy xp and i'll be able to get a more accurate number. This chart is definitely going to have necessary changes for sure, i want to get a legit reptile chart that will be accepted by the community as a whole, mainly my fellow reppers of the reptilian, the army of zerterra shall grows stronger.

 

[Chongo]

i have actually heard multiple reptiles say that lao baets him, i need to get some more play vs freddy xp and i'll be able to get a more accurate number. This chart is definitely going to have necessary changes for sure, i want to get a legit reptile chart that will be accepted by the community as a whole, mainly my fellow reppers of the reptilian, the army of zerterra shall grows stronger.

What are your in-depth thoughts of the Skarlet MU? I've seen people call it 5-5, 4-6, and even 3-7 her favor lol.

 

[THTB]

Did a little bit of cleanup.

Just a reminder to all...one thing we do not tolerate PERIOD is threatening violence. The next time I see it (Hopefully I don't)...

On the flip side, I was going to say I thought Jade could turn into a 7-3 Rep when you asked for my opinion on the list, MIT, but I was like "Nah...I'm probably just being hella optimistic." Good to know I wasn't the only one who thought it could be that bad lmao.

On the note of Freddy, Freddy wins full-screen. No questions asked. But does he win everywhere else? God no. And it's really only full screen that he undoubtedly wins. Everywhere else is free game, and the fact that NMS stuff is definitely weakened by the presence of dash punishing it, Freddy does have his loss of options in footsies. Reptile also is one of the best characters at baiting out EX spikes on wakeup due to how easily he can position himself to jump them properly after knocking Freddy down. This advantage stuff is nonsense. Just because it's hard for Reptile to get out of fullscreen zoning, doesn't mean that Reptile's dead. Because Reptile still can force out situations where Freddy will want to spike or Reptile gets closer. And it's not like we start the match there. You have to obtain the positioning anyway...so right off the getgo Reptile is not in a bad spot.

It's 5-5. Reptile is arguably the worst at dealing with Freddy fullscreen out of the entire cast of characters, but it's not like Freddy keeps him there no questions asked. Reptile can get in, and it's not a position Freddy begins with.

Reptile players are feeling that Kung Lao beats Reptile because forceballs are weaker here and because it's KOONG RAO. Fact is, Reptile avoid a lot of his shit due to d4 and a low hitbox. It's an annoying ass matchup on both ends.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

I like this list. It also suggests that one would not need an alt as a reptile player. I've always thought that myself.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

What are your in-depth thoughts of the Skarlet MU? I've seen people call it 5-5, 4-6, and even 3-7 her favor lol.

for skarlet this is how i see reptile able to win and making the mu even:
*D4, great footsies tool that can be used to space her out and keep her away, also beats her blood dash bcuz she has to do the blood dash before she can cancel it intot the power. Also his d4 will go under some of her good normals like her f4
*Dash, can always close the distance with this and build meter well. It'll punish things she whiffs too, and she has to respect it when she approaches him
*Ex orbs, she can tele on these, but has to time it very well bcuz if they become to accustomed to the normal orbs' timing, they'll time it wrong and you'll get a full combo.
*low hitbox, she can't do the same pressure on him like she can on most chars bcuz he has a low hitbox, which means her string that starts with f2 will whiff on him and you can poke her out of hit
*Walk back speed, with obtaining a lead, she's going to have to chase him down bcuz he can avoid her projectiles , which leads to his advantage bcuz he walks back faster than anyone and this'll help him space her and make her pay for her mistakes
*ex slide, not to be used alot, but if you want to get real technical, you can option select her armor wakeups with it
*x ray, reptile builds meter fast, so when you get this baby, her zoning and armor moves are useless, granting you a huge advantage
*orbs again haha, you can knock her out the air if she gets too happy with her air daggers and punish accordingly.
*Poke war, pretty even, she has a better d3 and he has a better d4, so it'll be an even poke battle.

 

[KH_Captain]

i think this reptile chart is making reptile look a bit better than he actually is. he doesnt have any good armor. his normals arent very good. what his whole game works around is controlling space with dash, balls, d4 and fast walk back. he doesnt pressure that well and doesnt deal well with pressure. his option to deal with pressure is dash which is like -1000000. MIT is definitely one of the 3 best reptiles in the history of this game to date but i think his offline success is more because he is one helluva player who has multiple characters in his arsenal more than reptile being this good. I have the Sindel match listed as 6-4 in a mostly zoning match which reptile wins. i believe sindel does well upclose using levicancel pressure and forcing reptile to look for a dash which isnt very scary since is not too much damage and sindel hitconfirms pressure into full combos pretty easily and builds hella meter with cancel pressure strings on block. look to bait dash with pressure and punish with 11b24fb or 1enh yell for big damage. keeps it closer than 7-3 imo. Nightwolf on the other hand makes reptiles game kinda tough to play with 1 frame reflect and huge damage on blocked dashes. reptile has some other good options in this match since Nightwolfs pressure options are limited hes more of a footsies character which reptile doesnt mind. i could see it being 6-4 for reptile but it could be even its one of the matches i'm more comfortable using Nightwolf for. I definitely would like to hear reply on MITs opinion on these matches and how he thinks reptile should be fighting these matches and what makes the sindel match 7-3

 

[Chongo]

for skarlet this is how i see reptile able to win and making the mu even:
*D4, great footsies tool that can be used to space her out and keep her away, also beats her blood dash bcuz she has to do the blood dash before she can cancel it intot the power. Also his d4 will go under some of her good normals like her f4
*Dash, can always close the distance with this and build meter well. It'll punish things she whiffs too, and she has to respect it when she approaches him
*Ex orbs, she can tele on these, but has to time it very well bcuz if they become to accustomed to the normal orbs' timing, they'll time it wrong and you'll get a full combo.
*low hitbox, she can't do the same pressure on him like she can on most chars bcuz he has a low hitbox, which means her string that starts with f2 will whiff on him and you can poke her out of hit
*Walk back speed, with obtaining a lead, she's going to have to chase him down bcuz he can avoid her projectiles , which leads to his advantage bcuz he walks back faster than anyone and this'll help him space her and make her pay for her mistakes
*ex slide, not to be used alot, but if you want to get real technical, you can option select her armor wakeups with it
*x ray, reptile builds meter fast, so when you get this baby, her zoning and armor moves are useless, granting you a huge advantage
*orbs again haha, you can knock her out the air if she gets too happy with her air daggers and punish accordingly.
*Poke war, pretty even, she has a better d3 and he has a better d4, so it'll be an even poke battle.

Just wanted to add something I've found that helps when Skarlet is knocked down. It could be online shenanigans at its finest, but who knows.

I've found that everytime Skarlet wakes up with a EX Red Dash, if you time a d4 AH just right, you'll evade the followup/maybe even hit her with the AH. It's nothing groundbreaking, hell, I don't even know if its legit lol. It could be something though.

 

[KH_Captain]

I like this list. It also suggests that one would not need an alt as a reptile player. I've always thought that myself.

but MIT has alts as a reptile player.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Just wanted to add something I've found that helps when Skarlet is knocked down. It could be online shenanigans at its finest, but who knows.

I've found that everytime Skarlet wakes up with a EX Red Dash, if you time a d4 AH just right, you'll evade the followup/maybe even hit her with the AH. It's nothing groundbreaking, hell, I don't even know if its legit lol. It could be something though.

i'll test this bro, thanks for the info.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

but MIT has alts as a reptile player.

i just can't stay with one character, i'm good with dem all, but i have my main dogs to hold it down for sure.

 

[Chongo]

i'll test this bro, thanks for the info.

Here's to hoping it actually works lol.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

but MIT has alts as a reptile player.

That's up to him. I'm just saying from a MU list like that... it seems you wouldn't need an alt as a reptile player.