Illmatix
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i think what hes saying is you eventually have to respect d1 because he might cancel it to tks, and IF he does he could just force push and youre full screen.
i think what hes saying is you eventually have to respect d1 because he might cancel it to tks, and IF he does he could just force push and youre full screen.
alright reasonable, but cancelling it, as he said, is a big risk. Risks are obviously necessary at times, but the fact that his pokes aren't very great to get him out of pressure makes it that much easier for cage. I think if mac had some faster normals and armor on ex lift, then it'd be a 5 5 bcuz cage would have to respect more than a tkp and iafb. 6 4 doesn't mean cage wrecks him, just means he is at advantage.
6-4 sub
yup
just making sure all you fellow cage players know
yeah it seems like a 6-4. Not terrible but a 1 game advantage to sub for sure.
yeah its not terrible but a battle of patience. sub def has the adv. with clone d4 and slide fireballs on reaction. and you know how deadly subs corner game is. cage doesn't have a safe option out.
Going to jail now!
lol and throw away the key
its 8 frames, the fastest d4 in the game, its 2 frames slower than the fastest pokes in the game, but neutrral on block.
I think Reptile is even.
true, also cage can punish d1s with ease and cyrax's d3 is 9 frames, but cyrax's continue to develop their zoning. i find kitana to be sketch too.
wow!! are you serious? 2 frames slower than the fastest? i must have been subconsciously down playing him lol. it seems like when new stuff is found... its in favor of mac...
Freddy is really difficult as well.
just check the frame data, the fastest pokes in the game are 6 frame d1's. subzero d4 is 8 frames, regular d4 is 12 frames
Have your thoughts changed on the Reptile-Cage MU? I might be approaching the MU totally wrong but the risk/reward feels like its very much in Cage's favor when he gets in. For example, you (reptile) can dash, beat cage's f3 and take 11%, or he guesses you're dashing and gets approx 20% and you get put back into pressure after being reset with a nutpunch into forceball frame trape, while he builds meter. If I have meter, I can try (as Reptile) to EX dash to beat a JC poke but that can be beaten with a reverse input EX nutpunch after the first hit is blocked and leads back to the whole him building meter, reptile taking chip, and still stuck in his pressure situation. EX armored slide doesn't feel worth the risk, either unfortunately. Using a bar to get out and take 12% when you can just dash and take 11% with the same reward and punishment scenario...seems not worth it. EX slide also is a lot easier to punish; you might get lucky and cage could drop the dash punish (but LBSH, f3 is one the easiest punishes there is for dash)
On the reptile mu cage def wins it 6-4. reptile can try and make it competitive but his zoning won't keep cage out for long. his normals are kinda of slow doesn't help at all. I've played this mu lots of times and its difficult to keep cage away with reptile offline. my bro is one the best reptiles in tourny to play. He says reptile loses it. yep cage can punish dash with ex nut punch or full combo but that is harder to do. cage doesn't have to jump alot to win this match. just stay on the ground and block all the zoning duck acid spit. reptile will corner himself and he has no safe way to get to the other side.
with mileena its definitely not easy to keep cage out. all cage has to do is stay on the ground. mileena has to be completely patient and not be random at all. its hard for mileena not to get random when cage is cornering her. her zoning is nothing for cage to worry about. she has no safe way of getting out of cage's pressure other than d3. cage doesn't need to throw projectiles in this mu. its a ground game. cage wins that ground game. cage can punish all teles and ex tele with standing 1 into nutpunch combo. then pressure.
I've kind of thought the mu was even for a while but cyrax does beat cage.
I think it's at least a 6-4 in Cage's favor, possibly 7-3. Her best spacing tool, D4, is whiff punishable and can be counter hit. Her sais aren't going to do much against dash blocking or just dashing in. The main thing however is that Cage is a serious problem up close for Mileena and her only option is to use an xray or risk using pokes. He can also punish her hard on blocked telekicks as well and put her back into the situation she has a terrible time getting out of.