The Madzin Situation -- Be Careful Who You Trust

[Tolkeen]

I wasn't going to write much about this, but due to issues with Madzin's credibility being in question, I think it's time for everyone to know the truth. So here's what happened:

As you all know, Pig Of The Hut put together a tourney to help pay expenses for a pair of players to get to Dallas. Madzin won his half of the tourney during the first run, and was entitled to receive his prize. However, a few weeks later, Madzin surfaced complaining about a Paypal theft, and explaining that he hadn't gotten the cash and wasn't sure if he could make Dallas.

So what was the reason for this? It turns out that there was no Paypal theft. What actually happened, was that Hatake Osawa, feeling pressure from bills, decided to essentially steal the majority of Madzin's share of the donated money and use it for himself. So he paid Madzin only a piece of it, and then took the rest of it for his own purposes. And then instead of explaining the situation, he decided to keep silent for weeks while ticket prices went up and the situation become more and more tense. Finally he was confronted and had to admit what happened.

This jeopardized Madzin's entire situation with Dallas, and also put his credibility into question with him having to ask for more money at the last minute. A few of us are all pretty angry -- and I'm trying to remain professional and factual with this explanation. Rather than saying what I really want to say.

So, to fix the situation at the last minute and make sure Madzin could make it to Dallas, I forwarded Madzin the $160 he was owed out of my own personal account. Which means Hatake now owes the money to me.

The reason I'm posting now is that Hatake was asked to apologize publicly.. He hasn't done so, and furthermore he's been completely silent on paying back the money. At this point I'm reaching the end of my patience and I'm considering pursuing other measures.

I feel like both Madzin and everyone who donated to the tourney was robbed.. Along with Pig of the Hut, CptXecution and everyone else who helped to put this together.

So that's how it's all gone down.. I wish Madzin the best of luck at Dallas, and this should be a lesson to everyone for the future about who we trust to handle money.

Hatake Osawa if I don't hear from you again in the next couple of weeks about paying back what you owe, I will consider you a thief and treat the situation as such.

I'm glad you finally made this public, take him to court. Justice must be served.

 

[DJ L Toro]

CrimsonShadow Good post, as a member of the community and one of the others who donated to madzin, i want to thank you for what you did.
Hatake Osawa that's freaking low. I understand pressure to pay bills, believe me, but using funds that you know arent yours is unethical and reprehensible. You should already know what action you ought to take, so i will say no more save for outlining possible consequences: as crimson has stated he's ready to pursue "other measures," which for a NY/NJ person could mean anything from street justice to legal action. There's an obvious community implication in that anything you involve yourself in relative to the community will fail, anything you say to justify yourself will be majorly disregarded, etc.

 

[AK Vip3r]

CrimsonShadow , can anything be done to help you get back your proper funds? I might be able to give a little donation, as you sir are a very kind person.

 

[trustinme]

so what did the fucking scumbag spend it on then? more buttplugs?

 

[Briggs8417]

Most likely kombat Houston but until tomorrow no one but my 2-3 training partners will see me

Please tell me I'm a training partner...PLS!

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

Please tell me I'm a training partner...PLS!

Duh

Lol

 

[Briggs8417]

Duh

Lol

YESH!

 

[Pig Of The Hut]

CrimsonShadow Good post, as a member of the community and one of the others who donated to madzin, i want to thank you for what you did.
Hatake Osawa that's freaking low. I understand pressure to pay bills, believe me, but using funds that you know arent yours is unethical and reprehensible. You should already know what action you ought to take, so i will say no more save for outlining possible consequences: as crimson has stated he's ready to pursue "other measures," which for a NY/NJ person could mean anything from street justice to legal action. There's an obvious community implication in that anything you involve yourself in relative to the community will fail, anything you say to justify yourself will be majorly disregarded, etc.

Exactly

The MK community is not someone's emergency fund or loan service


The main issue now is next time someone hosts an opportunity like this for players or a donation drive that's legit people will second guess doing it w this in the back of their minds

 

[SaJa]

So Madzin is 100% going to Dallas ?

 

[Juggs]

Good shit CrimsonShadow, respect.

 

[rawool]

That was very generous of you, CrimsonShadow. I hope you get paid back.

 

[TakeAChance]

Not exactly applying, but more so volunteering. If anyone wanted to run a tournament and needed a middle man for payouts, My name is well enough known to pay out. You all have my youtube channel, and a lot of you have access to me on skype.

My record speaks for itself.

Just throwing it out there.

Also, kudos to the shining lights of this community.

 

[GLoRToR]

Hatake Osawa if I don't hear from you again in the next couple of weeks about paying back what you owe, I will consider you a thief and treat the situation as such.

Hatake Osawa I think we all know what it's like to not have money for something we need to pay for. I hope you won't end up having to deal with the police, dude. Pawn your rig if you have to, being labelled a thief is no way for an adult man to be.

 

[GLoRToR]

I think Pig Of The Hut is a serious enough guy to be able to handle this if he chooses to. I vote him or somebody like STORMS Krayzie Tim Static

 

[YRemY]

This is such a terrible thing to happen. Best to let a prominent AND stable minded member of the community handle such matters in the future. The latter is especially important as the DOTA 2 community has learned recently (for drama addicts, look up Sayuri). Pig seems a great fit for this. I'd let him handle more than just my money, if you know what I mean.













Of course, I'm referring to a hypothetical situation in which I pass out driving and need him to take the wheels.

 

[PND_Mustard]

Start with the thumbs.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

What a cunt.

 

[DJ L Toro]

Start with the thumbs.

if you're advocating torture, do it right, law abiding citizen style, eyelids first with a mirror overhead so he sees everything... but that's messed up though.

 

[SZSR]

This is beyond low, this is betrayal.

 

[Axel_Redd]

Good thing madzin did finally get the money he worked hard for, i'd be rather unhappy if i didn't get my money.

and as for Hatake Osawa...you've got balls, i'll give you that. But...was it honestly worth it? No one is going to trust you with anything now...

 

[SwiftTomHanks]

While I would like to help you out by giving you some money crimson, all it would do is cycle it some more. If you're ever at a north east tournament though I'll do whatever I can to make your time as awesome as possible; beer, food, hotel ect.

This community is extremely shady when it comes to money. It's nice to see some people who still are upstanding citizens; I personally will still go out of my way for people like yourself.

 

[rev0lver]

I've talked to Hatake before over skype and stuff, met him in person at MLG Raleigh and he always seemed like a great, stand-up guy. I sympathize with his situation of being low on money, but that is absolutely no excuse to steal dozens of other peoples money that they are paying for a tournament BECAUSE they don't have much money either and were trying to get some. If he doesn't pay you back soon you should definitely pursue legal action.

It's also a shame Pig couldn't handle this tournament himself considering he's probably one of the most trustworthy guys in the community. Hopefully people get over the MKU thing and realize he wasn't involved in that.

 

[DJ L Toro]

i just realized something, Hatake Osawa paid out the other winners except for who? the guy who is an ocean and half a continent away. he did this because he thought he would be held less accountable especially in the wake of the marvaz fiasco. in those circumstances it is a premeditated criminal act.

 

[Relaxedstate]

But wait....
maybe his weed was laced with PCP and he didn't know it! Then it is not his fault right?

 

[Qwark28]

all ima say is this brought us closer as a community and showed that there are still good ppl here