random advantage bug project

[GNG Iniquity]

So I think it's safe to say that EVERY character in the game receives random advantage on crouch blocking...

Can't we take NRS out back and shoot them already? Sufficient beatings with a rubber hose would certainly motivate their programmers.

 

[16 Bit]

No, it's not safe to say that. Slips checked Scorp and Ermac and they don't.

If you check your character and they don't please let me know. I'm gonna update the first post with the list of bugged moves and who's confirmed to be clean.

 

[Metzos]

So Ermac is already checked by Slips ?

 

[16 Bit]

Yeah. Scorp, Sub, Mac confirmed clean.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Shang is clean. After some testing, none of his normals or close groundskull provide a random advantage. I actually thought the groundskull might because I have had the weird experience of seeing Kitana's (and several other characters) D+1 come out and still catching her with the F+4

 

[PND_Mustard]

Mac confirmed clean.

lol, mac

 

[Prinz]

Jade is clear

 

[TakeAChance]

Skarlet has a bunch.

1,1,2
F4,3
F3

all give off random advantage.

 

[TakeAChance]

Jade is clear

I can confirm this. She doesn't appear to have any issues. (NRS can't even break her right )

 

[TakeAChance]

Rain seems to be fine.

 

[Sand-man]

No bugs:
Scorpion
Sub-Zero
Ermac
Shang Tsung
Jade

Jade have this bug in 3

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[Iustinus]

So far I've found that Sindel's 2 has the bug.

 

[GGA soonk]

There may be some we have overlooked in any of these characters. For a few(like Smoke's F4) I almost thought it was clean, but like the 15th attempt I just happened to catch the opponent stand back up before moving on to something else, and had to try quite a few times to reproduce it. The common factor here definitely seems to be some sort of normal in which there is an advancing hit, so try to double and triple check those if your character has them, and try checking only the last hit in multi-hit strings.

 

[TakeAChance]

Jade have this bug in 3

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I am back in practice mode...I cannot replicate this.

 

[Tokiwartoothxdk]

ermac left out again

 

[Prinz]

I am back in practice mode...I cannot replicate this.

Me neither.

 

[eskuAdradit0]

10 times seems like a low number imo. I know this may be exhausting, but yeah.

Also, how to do this with a human on 2nd controller?

 

[GGA soonk]

10 times seems like a low number imo. I know this may be exhausting, but yeah.

Also, how to do this with a human on 2nd controller?

10 times is too low, but who wants to sit there and do it 40 times until they get it? as I said earlier, the advancing normals seem to be the culprits, so I would run through the whole moveset with a set of 10, then go back and double/triple check those advancing normals.

As far as doing it with a human, just have them hold duck the whole time and block your string. As soon as they block the last hit of the string, have them let go of block and keep holding down. If it's bugged, the character will stand up then duck real quick. This method is much faster than changing the block settings each time, so getting more than 10 shouldn't be an issue. Also, try varying when the block button is released, as I'm willing to bet this has an effect on it.

 

[UsedForGlue]

Ok with the discovery of Cage and Liu Kang having random advantage bugs we need to test the entire roster. If you don't know how to test here's what you do. Go into practice mode and set the dummy to always duck block. Do a move and then as soon as it hits and is blocked pause and turn block off. If they quickly stand up then duck back down you have the random block advantage bug. Try it like 10 times just to be sure. We should go through every move and every hit of a string with every character. If you will volunteer to do this for your main please post the results, if you've discovered a move with the bug or if you've checked every move and they have none.


No bugs:
Scorpion
Sub-Zero
Ermac
Shang Tsung
Jade

Bugged:
Kitana: Fake Out Kick
Sektor: b+1 and 1,1,b+1
Smoke: 1,1 and f+4(last hit only)
Raiden: 2,2,b+4(last hit only) and b+2,f+1
Kabal: b+1,2,1
Kano: 2,1,2 and choke
Quan Chi: b+1,1
Johnny Cage: f+3
Liu Kang: b+4 and f+4 and b+2,3
Jax: f+4,1,3

I am not 100% if scorpions frame advantage after 334 is consistent...

 

[16 Bit]

I am not 100% if scorpions frame advantage after 334 is consistent...

what 3,3,4 frame advantage?

 

[UsedForGlue]

I think its 0 on block, and sometimes - on block, but sometimes Scorpion can beat out opponents with D1. I am not sure if its consistent.

 

[16 Bit]

I cannot replicate Skarlet f+3 or Jade 3. Also can't get it to happen with Scorp 3,3,4.

 

[GGA soonk]

With as iffy as some of these are, I'd hate to tell someone they didn't see what they say they're seeing. I'll check up on those 3, as well.

 

[16 Bit]

Kung Lao, Reptile, Cage, Mileena, Nightwolf, Cyrax, Noob Saibot, Sonya, Jax, Stryker, Baraka, Cyber Sub-Zero, Sheeva, Kratos(lol), Kenshi and Freddy remain.

 

[GGA soonk]

Ok Steve, so I couldn't get it either with Jade or Skarlet, but for Scorpion's 334, if only the last hit connects(or the 1st and last, since those can hit but the 2nd can whiff) you will get the stand up.