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Juggs

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Why not just a long free beta? 6months beta with online and practice mode?
Because NRS is a business and there’s absolutely no reason to come out with a 6 month free beta. The most they’d do for free is a weekend stress test with a few characters or a few day to maybe a week max beta, again with only a few characters.

The only way we would see something like I’m proposing is if it had some cost attached to it. Which I really do believe a good enough amount of people would get it for it to be worth it for NRS. And even though we’d be paying for a beta that we would be testing ourselves, like I said, it would also benefit us. So many times, the release of NRS games have a lot of issues. Both with glitches and with balance. Of course this isn’t exclusive to NRS games, most games, FG or otherwise, are like this these days.

But yeah, there would have to be some give and take, some compromising. If you want to play the game early and help with testing, it’d cost you like $25 or so. But you obviously wouldn’t be at all obligated to get the beta. If it doesn’t appeal to you, you could just wait for the full release
 

Subby Z

Mortal
What did you think of playable Jerrod?
I mean I’m down for Jerrod as long as he has a distinctive moveset. Do you have a particular ability that he would use? I don’t know tons about Jerrod and always just kind of saw him as an old wise man. Again he would be a new character and unique.

Also… I want to remove Erron Black from the main roster. Mainly because I thought of the first dlc pack last night.

A black dragon pack.
Kano
Erron Black
Kabal
Tremor
Kira (if she can be made unique enough)
Guest of some sort.

So that leaves another spot open for main roster. I’m leaning towards nightwolf honestly. Any other picks you have?

@ Vulgar

I think Kai has potential to be revamped. It would take some reworking but I definitely think he could hit. You just have to make him important. It can’t be like Reiko in MK1 where it felt like he was just kinda there.
 

YagamiFire

Mortal
I mean I’m down for Jerrod as long as he has a distinctive moveset. Do you have a particular ability that he would use? I don’t know tons about Jerrod and always just kind of saw him as an old wise man. Again he would be a new character and unique.
People have asked before for a proper zoner like Dr. Fate in MK...so Jerrod could fulfill that role with magic. Maybe an element like light. Have his fighting style be something we haven't seen properly in MK like aikido with strings with throw components with an over-all style designed to recreate space between himself and the opponent so he can get back to zoning. He'd be a refined, controlled ruler with a focus on range and magic to be a total inversion of Shao as a ruler focused on brutal melee combat and physicality.

As for other roster picks, I'd say Nightwolf is not a bad choice. I'm also very serious about thinking Kobra should have something done with him and be in.
 

YagamiFire

Mortal
Also I understand the skepticism about Kai...but he's FAR from impossible to salvage as a character

I even did up some quick redesign attempts. Tried not stray too far from his core concept...but also tried to make his design not suck ass
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I think I'm most partial to #3? I like that the color scheme incorporates white which ties into what I mentioned about the whole White Tiger thing and because it separates his color scheme from Liu Kang's
 
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LEGEND

YES!
I really wouldn't mind any MK character from the 3D era returning as long as they are revamped properly.
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Its crazy to me that they took two of the only decent 3D characters who had yet to return in Nitara and Havik and made them worse, but couldn't be bothered to try and pumped up ones that were meh. Ashrah is kinda the same as she was, very shallow character, I don't think her look is great but its not horrible by any means. Weird that they didn't really keep any of her moves though
 

Subby Z

Mortal
This is pretty much always my outlook. "Every character is someone's favorite" is how I tend to approach things especially as a lifelong comic book fan who's often been a fan of very obscure or minor bad guys
Alright Yagami I’m back. I’m with you on characters that can be revamped, but that would possibly be in the next game once we’ve earned back trust. Again this is coming after MK1 which I know some here liked and that’s fine, but a lot of people (like myself) did not. I think an obscure character here or there is fine but we already have Kai (which I do think can be revamped but he’s still obscure and has to gain fans similar to fujin in 11). So when it comes to someone like Kobra it would maybe have to wait. The next game needs to be a Renaissance similar to MK9.

Ooay that last spot which I said for Nightwolf I really started thinking we don’t have a hulking character like the Shokan. I’m still on board with Nightwolf but wondering if you think we need to find a place for Goro or Kintaro? Shao is the boss so he’s kind of ruled out there, but I’m thinking we need a monster character.

I also have come up with a concept for the select screen. It would be 5 rows of 5

Top Row: Scorpion, Ermac, Reptile, Noob Saibot, Sub-Zero
2nd Row: Fujin, Kai, Kung Lao, Liu Kang, Raiden
3rd Row: Mileena, Skarlet, Harumi, Kitana, Jade
4th Row: Jax, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Kenshi, (roster spot)
5th Row: Lillith, Kotal Kahn, D’Vorah, Shang Tsung,(roster spot)

First DLC Black Dragon
Kano, Tremor, Erron Black, Kabal, Kira, (Ash) guest

2nd DLC (Order and Chaos)
Havik, Hotaru, Sektor, Cyrax, Smoke, (another guest)

If you are concrete on Jerrod I’m down for him to complete the outworld cast (yes I know he’s Edenian).

Now that I’ve developed the select screen setup I am leaning towards Nightwolf to complete the Earthrealm heroes portion of the select screen.

Edit: Also the 3rd artwork you presented for Kai works. I liked the white garb added into that design. It really makes him pop out as a character.
 
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just_2swift

MK1 is the best MK period.
Get rid of fatal blows. Instead give characters active passive abilities when they get below 30%

Visual indication- weapon glows with aura

Character indication- example: Kung Lao lotus petals swirling wind/ Raiden pulsing electricity etc

Kung Lao chain fist or punch normals do more chip on block

Ground movement speed increases. Teleport start up increases

Also unlocks new normals strings and additional special moves when threshold is met also change existing move properties as well.

Also build on what mk11 did when they focused more on character weaponry.

For example give characters weapons active modifications

Striking an enemy with Kung Laos hat x amount of times will cause a bleed out effect or DOT.

They can get real creative with this.
 

YagamiFire

Mortal
but that would possibly be in the next game once we’ve earned back trust.
See I'm of the mind that you WOW out of the gate. "Holy shit they made [unloved character] awesome! They're firing on all cylinders". Remember the Stryker situation. Stryker was in MK9 off the rip and was loved for his redesign and new approach. Character went from dogshit-tier to really liked. I think doing things like that is actually how you earn trust because you are not playing it safe.

A big-body character is an absolute must. Goro has been gone for a while and got done dirty in MK1 so he might be a top choice. He's a face of the franchise and also deserves some major character work to develop him visibly to people in the modern day.

Also not gonna lie I think Harumi is a terrible choice. She's the Uncle Ben of the franchise. Bringing her back to life just feels lame. She's not a character people are connected to in any way. She's not a character really. She's the idea of 'Scorpions wife' and her being back regresses Hanzo. Like when I say I don't like it, I actively fucking hate it. I'd much rather have someone like Frost or...literally anyone else basically.

I'd say take her out and put Goro in and that becomes an Outworld team alongside Jade, Kitana, Mileena and Skarlet. Or you put Jerrod in that spot and it becomes nearly a total 'Edenia team'. Or we say the roster is 26 total with Goro at the center of a diamond shape.

Kobra would actually fit great alongside the Earthrealm team (as compared to the Shaolin team). It also puts a wildcard on them instead of a stacked group of good guys. Plus it links to the Black Dragon for future DLC.

Instead give characters active passive abilities
This is a great fucking idea. Maybe not necessarily to tie into a specific life total for every character but an ability that can be activated or that activates automatically for the character is a great way to add personality and playstyle to them. I like that a lot.
 

Subby Z

Mortal
See I'm of the mind that you WOW out of the gate. "Holy shit they made [unloved character] awesome! They're firing on all cylinders". Remember the Stryker situation. Stryker was in MK9 off the rip and was loved for his redesign and new approach. Character went from dogshit-tier to really liked. I think doing things like that is actually how you earn trust because you are not playing it safe.

A big-body character is an absolute must. Goro has been gone for a while and got done dirty in MK1 so he might be a top choice. He's a face of the franchise and also deserves some major character work to develop him visibly to people in the modern day.

Also not gonna lie I think Harumi is a terrible choice. She's the Uncle Ben of the franchise. Bringing her back to life just feels lame. She's not a character people are connected to in any way. She's not a character really. She's the idea of 'Scorpions wife' and her being back regresses Hanzo. Like when I say I don't like it, I actively fucking hate it. I'd much rather have someone like Frost or...literally anyone else basically.

I'd say take her out and put Goro in and that becomes an Outworld team alongside Jade, Kitana, Mileena and Skarlet. Or you put Jerrod in that spot and it becomes nearly a total 'Edenia team'. Or we say the roster is 26 total with Goro at the center of a diamond shape.

Kobra would actually fit great alongside the Earthrealm team (as compared to the Shaolin team). It also puts a wildcard on them instead of a stacked group of good guys. Plus it links to the Black Dragon for future DLC.



This is a great fucking idea. Maybe not necessarily to tie into a specific life total for every character but an ability that can be activated or that activates automatically for the character is a great way to add personality and playstyle to them. I like that a lot.
I see what you’re saying with the harumi thing, but I think if written correctly it could work out. First I’m not just bringing her back to put her with Scorpion. My thoughts are more along the lines of Noob Saibot has actively become so fucking evil he literally finds a way to resurrect her. Again though she doesn’t know who she is and neither does Hanzo immediately. Tbh it doesn’t even have to lead to the 2 ending up back together.

My plans for Sub-Zero were now that he has finally saved Smoke his next objective is to finally save his brother. However along the way he realizes he can’t and maybe was never supposed to.

Hanzo himself could come to the same realization that the woman he used to love is just dead now as is the Bi-han that Kuai Liang knew. Basically a letting go of the past sort of thing. They can hold onto things from their pasts, but they need to realize those things/people are actively damaging them and keeping them from moving on. The fact that Harumi (again I want to give her a codename) doesn’t even remember Hanzo would be the catalyst to him realizing maybe this isn’t the person I knew anymore ya know? It’s just someone who looks like her, but not truly harumi.

It gives those 2 some closure with huge parts of their pasts and hopefully allows both Hanzo and Kuai Liang to move forward into newer stories

Anyway I understand not liking it, but I do think MK needs better females haha. It has some amazing ones, but there are some that are just so fucking forgettable. You can rework them but the ones without good stories end up just kind of there. Like with Kira I think she ended up with a cool looking revamp in snowblind, but she was still forgettable and I worry she will just remain forgettable. Then again maybe she’s just not my cup of tea though and that’s okay.

Plus it also ties her into pre-existing lore which makes her instantly related to characters in the cast.

I really like characters who stand out though. Like a very defined moveset and abilities. Cetrion for instance in MK11 drove me batshit insane. Not only did they make a playable elder god (which is something I do not like at all), but they also made her moveset so fucking convoluted. She had plant moves, but could also light them on fire then she could summon rocks. Idk she seemed like too all over the fucking place for my liking. As a result I ended up hating her character and really never want to see her again. Lillith is my answer to a true plant based character and everything you can do with that.

I’m down for Jerrod, but still not sure on Kobra. If you think they can do him right and really make him stand out among the crowd then cool. I’ll admit I don’t see as much potential in him as a character like Kai though.

Maybe he could be like a double agent of some sort?
 

YagamiFire

Mortal
Tbh it doesn’t even have to lead to the 2 ending up back together.
It always puts this shit over the two characters heads (and I'm using character loosely here since Harumi just ain't one). Its a narrative sword of Damocles. Also it weirdly omits their son in a weird way. I dunno, I just hate it from every single angle. Sometimes people need to stay the fuck dead.

doesn’t even remember Hanzo would be the catalyst to him realizing maybe this isn’t the person I knew anymore ya know?
This just becomes a character wearing Harumi's skin at this point. Might as well make her someone totally new and unrelated

Like with Kira I think she ended up with a cool looking revamp in snowblind, but she was still forgettable and I worry she will just remain forgettable.
Because Kira needs a personality. She's a super bland generic girl-thug. The type you'd beat up 400 versions of in a Final Fight game. She just needs personality and she can stand out.

If you think they can do him right and really make him stand out among the crowd then cool. I’ll admit I don’t see as much potential in him as a character like Kai though.
Give Kobra some background and a bit more personality and he could be great.
NY kid. Rough street life growing up. Then MK3 happens while he's young. He's one of the few people whose soul doesn't get sucked up because of its potential (same way as what happened to Stryker) as a chosen Earthrealm warrior. He didn't get involved in the events of the game because he was still young. Hell, he could have even received the Raiden vision about being a chosen warrior for Mortal Kombat but didn't act on it...he would've just been a kid at the time. Maybe even make it so he killed a member of Khan's extermination squad that found him...but was too injured to do anything after that. After MK3's events he has a fire inside him believing himself special when things return to a sense of normalcy after the invasion. He picks up martial arts because he was called a warrior and wants to fight since he was already a violent kid. His story progresses there with how we know it where he's an absolute martial arts prodigy capable of inhuman stuff.

But he's totally amoral. He just wants to fight and hurt people. Raiden's vision and his upbringing, and maybe just a natural bent towards violence, has made Kobra a dangerous person. He's not right in the head. That doesn't mean he's some psycho killer or anything boringly axe-murderer crazy, he just doesn't have the buffer most people have. Like I said, naturally amoral and capable of violence more easily than most. 'Kobra' is not his real name of course...it's just his street name because he has eyes like a snake. Not literally. They're just eyes that are as cold as a snakes. Early on he got flagged as an older gang member as a kid that wasn't right (but that was useful). Maybe his karate sensei even saw it but wanted to try and help him use the discipline of martial arts to help temper that lack of humanity...and Kobra took to it like a fish to water...but it just ended up making him more dangerous.

He gets revived as part of the Elder Gods gambit...and being an Earthrealmer, gets lumped in with Cage and the SF who are VERY wary of him since he's a Black Dragon...and Kobra could even point out that he doesn't really care about the BD one way or the other. It's just something to do and it lets him fight people. I'd also have it so he's a fan of Cage's movies. Grew up loving them because of all the fight scenes. Give Midway Johnny some immediate growth there as he kind of likes the kid because he's an arrogant punk a lot like Johnny was when he was younger...but Johnny had A LOT growing up which allowed him to be trained all around the world and be a young celebrity and then movie star where-as Kobra grew up with nothing and has gone down a bad path. Start showing that paternal side to Johnny where he has a good heart that we got A LOT of (to good effect) in NRS stuff. He thinks Kobra has just had a bad break and had his talents put to bad use.

Then you create friction with Jax who is older and wiser and has "seen guys like this kid in the military". People that want to serve because they could never make it in regular life...because they just want to hurt people. Jax could point out that people like this NEVER end up making it far because there's something wrong inside of them. Jax doesn't trust the punk at all.

Then narratively you put Sonya in the middle. She respects Jax's opinion and naturally hates the Black Dragon...but her focus is on fulfilling the mission of saving the realms and, eventually, finding Kano to bring him to justice. Kobra is useful for both those things. She's also swayed by Johnny's attitude towards Kobra because she's developed a bit of a soft spot for Johnny (because the Johnny/Sonya dynamic IS a good one that can be emphasized) and how much less of an ass he is. If Johnny Cage could show he was a VERY good person and a hero, maybe Kobra can too? Besides, its in the best interest of their mission to utilize him and his skills.

Then you've got Kenshi as the perpetual Midway loner where he's disinterestedin the debate and wants to do what they have to do...and makes it clear if Kobra impedes that then he will kill him. The indecisiveness of the SF in the matter would be part of what helps Kenshi start to develop into a leader...initially out of pure desire to get things done and stop discussing matters as he's guided by the spirits of the sword to right the realms and stop Shao. He also has revenge against the Red Dragon to think about...and, you know what, Kobra could end up being useful to that too...so Kenshi is keeping that card in his back pocket. After all, there is no way Kenshi is going to hold the L he took from Mavado without getting his runback.

Now you instantly have a dynamic where Kobra becomes a point of contention between the Earthrealm heroes with points that interact with elements of their characters AND their stories. Johnny wants to guide him, Jax wants to put the rabid dog in a kennel, Sonya stuck in the middle wants to use him, Kenshi doesn't care (for now...). As for Kobra? He grew up running with gangs and then killing other gangbangers and drug pushers for fun. He'll fight for Earthrealm because Earthrealm is "his turf"...and no one, not even Shao Khan, intrudes on his turf without getting these fists.

And you mentioned Kai...which is perfect, because as next-gen fighters, Kai & Kobra should be peers. Which means they're perfect rivals. Even have Johnny remark on that. "I dunno, man. Kobra and Kai? That rivalry has a ring to it" after they end up clashing during the course of the story. Have the Shaolin and Earthrealmers meet up and be on good terms with each other and discuss next moves...meanwhile the two younger fighters Kobra & Kai aren't content with the talking and square off against each other. Hell, someone like Shang Tsung might even ENCOURAGE this and manipulate the situation...and he can play it off as a "test" or some other reason that is actually beneficial to everyone involved (since, again, we're playing up Shang 'reforming' right now)

Kobra & Kai throw down with Kai VERY confident he's going to just beat the punk and Kai VERY confident he's going to literally kill Kai. They beat each other silly to a draw (have cooler heads try to break them up but Shang is like "No. This has to happen now or it will happen later" sorta thing). Neither wins. Kai walks away from the situation having a lot of respect for Kobra because of his talent and toughness...Kobra walks away declaring Kai is now "his best friend"...because he can fight him but can't kill him. Kobra is 100% serious about this. He's never had more fun than fighting Kai. This guy is his PERFECT counterpart/rival. He wants both of them to get stronger..and then they'll fight again and he'll be able to kill Kai then. Everyone not only recognizes that Kobra is sincere but that this is the first time they've seen with a genuine smile...which is even weirder. Even Johnny is like "Yeah, Jax, you might be right. This kid's got a screw loose".

Then that sets up future stories where the Kobra/Kai rivalry is one that will develop both characters. They both grew up in 'war zones' but of totally different styles with fighting as a way of life since they were little. Kai killed and wants to get beyond that and become a better person, and Kobra kills but has no feelings about it at all other than satisfaction with his own skill. The rivalry might make Kai slip into worse patterns of behavior...or maybe it could end up making Kobra a better person if he can see his opponent as a genuine friend instead of just someone to hope to have fun beating to death.

Have a point in the story where Kobra gets hurt to keep Kai from getting hurt with the explanation that if Kai were to die to someone else it would reflect badly on Kobra. He wants to beat and kill Kai fair and square. Make it the weirdest friendship in MK. Have Kai, who has seen a lot of death in his life, recognize that there's something broken inside of Kobra...but that he felt like he himself was broken at one point too and he found the Shaolin and got on a better path so it would be shameful for him to just give up on Kobra and think he can't ever be better. Kai has to prove there's hope for Kobra to be more than a killer or, in a way, he's almost giving up on himself and the path he himself took.

The existence of a Kobra Kai rivalry demands his inclusion :D

I did some generations for Kobra as well with a focus on black as a primary color to off-set the white you said you liked for Kai, that way their visual style would work as inversions of each other.

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