How they can turn mk1's image around and bring hype for their next gsme

[Juggs]

Why not just a long free beta? 6months beta with online and practice mode?

Because NRS is a business and there’s absolutely no reason to come out with a 6 month free beta. The most they’d do for free is a weekend stress test with a few characters or a few day to maybe a week max beta, again with only a few characters.

The only way we would see something like I’m proposing is if it had some cost attached to it. Which I really do believe a good enough amount of people would get it for it to be worth it for NRS. And even though we’d be paying for a beta that we would be testing ourselves, like I said, it would also benefit us. So many times, the release of NRS games have a lot of issues. Both with glitches and with balance. Of course this isn’t exclusive to NRS games, most games, FG or otherwise, are like this these days.

But yeah, there would have to be some give and take, some compromising. If you want to play the game early and help with testing, it’d cost you like $25 or so. But you obviously wouldn’t be at all obligated to get the beta. If it doesn’t appeal to you, you could just wait for the full release

 

[Trickywizard]

Maybe do like KI3 let players download the base game for free and sell characters separately?

 

[Subby Z]

What did you think of playable Jerrod?

I mean I’m down for Jerrod as long as he has a distinctive moveset. Do you have a particular ability that he would use? I don’t know tons about Jerrod and always just kind of saw him as an old wise man. Again he would be a new character and unique.

Also… I want to remove Erron Black from the main roster. Mainly because I thought of the first dlc pack last night.

A black dragon pack.
Kano
Erron Black
Kabal
Tremor
Kira (if she can be made unique enough)
Guest of some sort.

So that leaves another spot open for main roster. I’m leaning towards nightwolf honestly. Any other picks you have?

@ Vulgar

I think Kai has potential to be revamped. It would take some reworking but I definitely think he could hit. You just have to make him important. It can’t be like Reiko in MK1 where it felt like he was just kinda there.

 

[YagamiFire]

I mean I’m down for Jerrod as long as he has a distinctive moveset. Do you have a particular ability that he would use? I don’t know tons about Jerrod and always just kind of saw him as an old wise man. Again he would be a new character and unique.

People have asked before for a proper zoner like Dr. Fate in MK...so Jerrod could fulfill that role with magic. Maybe an element like light. Have his fighting style be something we haven't seen properly in MK like aikido with strings with throw components with an over-all style designed to recreate space between himself and the opponent so he can get back to zoning. He'd be a refined, controlled ruler with a focus on range and magic to be a total inversion of Shao as a ruler focused on brutal melee combat and physicality.

As for other roster picks, I'd say Nightwolf is not a bad choice. I'm also very serious about thinking Kobra should have something done with him and be in.

 

[YagamiFire]

Also I understand the skepticism about Kai...but he's FAR from impossible to salvage as a character

I even did up some quick redesign attempts. Tried not stray too far from his core concept...but also tried to make his design not suck ass

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I think I'm most partial to #3? I like that the color scheme incorporates white which ties into what I mentioned about the whole White Tiger thing and because it separates his color scheme from Liu Kang's

 

[LEGEND]

I really wouldn't mind any MK character from the 3D era returning as long as they are revamped properly.
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Its crazy to me that they took two of the only decent 3D characters who had yet to return in Nitara and Havik and made them worse, but couldn't be bothered to try and pumped up ones that were meh. Ashrah is kinda the same as she was, very shallow character, I don't think her look is great but its not horrible by any means. Weird that they didn't really keep any of her moves though

 

[LEGEND]

Also I understand the skepticism about Kai...but he's FAR from impossible to salvage as a character

One thing that playing Tekken has taught me is that a character can look like shit or be completely bland but still be sick as hell if their movelist/fighting style is cool and impactful.

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No character is beyond saving

 

[YagamiFire]

No character is beyond saving

This is pretty much always my outlook. "Every character is someone's favorite" is how I tend to approach things especially as a lifelong comic book fan who's often been a fan of very obscure or minor bad guys

 

[Subby Z]

This is pretty much always my outlook. "Every character is someone's favorite" is how I tend to approach things especially as a lifelong comic book fan who's often been a fan of very obscure or minor bad guys

Alright Yagami I’m back. I’m with you on characters that can be revamped, but that would possibly be in the next game once we’ve earned back trust. Again this is coming after MK1 which I know some here liked and that’s fine, but a lot of people (like myself) did not. I think an obscure character here or there is fine but we already have Kai (which I do think can be revamped but he’s still obscure and has to gain fans similar to fujin in 11). So when it comes to someone like Kobra it would maybe have to wait. The next game needs to be a Renaissance similar to MK9.

Ooay that last spot which I said for Nightwolf I really started thinking we don’t have a hulking character like the Shokan. I’m still on board with Nightwolf but wondering if you think we need to find a place for Goro or Kintaro? Shao is the boss so he’s kind of ruled out there, but I’m thinking we need a monster character.

I also have come up with a concept for the select screen. It would be 5 rows of 5

Top Row: Scorpion, Ermac, Reptile, Noob Saibot, Sub-Zero
2nd Row: Fujin, Kai, Kung Lao, Liu Kang, Raiden
3rd Row: Mileena, Skarlet, Harumi, Kitana, Jade
4th Row: Jax, Sonya, Johnny Cage, Kenshi, (roster spot)
5th Row: Lillith, Kotal Kahn, D’Vorah, Shang Tsung,(roster spot)

First DLC Black Dragon
Kano, Tremor, Erron Black, Kabal, Kira, (Ash) guest

2nd DLC (Order and Chaos)
Havik, Hotaru, Sektor, Cyrax, Smoke, (another guest)

If you are concrete on Jerrod I’m down for him to complete the outworld cast (yes I know he’s Edenian).

Now that I’ve developed the select screen setup I am leaning towards Nightwolf to complete the Earthrealm heroes portion of the select screen.

Edit: Also the 3rd artwork you presented for Kai works. I liked the white garb added into that design. It really makes him pop out as a character.

 

[just_2swift]

Get rid of fatal blows. Instead give characters active passive abilities when they get below 30%

Visual indication- weapon glows with aura

Character indication- example: Kung Lao lotus petals swirling wind/ Raiden pulsing electricity etc

Kung Lao chain fist or punch normals do more chip on block

Ground movement speed increases. Teleport start up increases

Also unlocks new normals strings and additional special moves when threshold is met also change existing move properties as well.

Also build on what mk11 did when they focused more on character weaponry.

For example give characters weapons active modifications

Striking an enemy with Kung Laos hat x amount of times will cause a bleed out effect or DOT.

They can get real creative with this.

 

[YagamiFire]

but that would possibly be in the next game once we’ve earned back trust.

See I'm of the mind that you WOW out of the gate. "Holy shit they made [unloved character] awesome! They're firing on all cylinders". Remember the Stryker situation. Stryker was in MK9 off the rip and was loved for his redesign and new approach. Character went from dogshit-tier to really liked. I think doing things like that is actually how you earn trust because you are not playing it safe.

A big-body character is an absolute must. Goro has been gone for a while and got done dirty in MK1 so he might be a top choice. He's a face of the franchise and also deserves some major character work to develop him visibly to people in the modern day.

Also not gonna lie I think Harumi is a terrible choice. She's the Uncle Ben of the franchise. Bringing her back to life just feels lame. She's not a character people are connected to in any way. She's not a character really. She's the idea of 'Scorpions wife' and her being back regresses Hanzo. Like when I say I don't like it, I actively fucking hate it. I'd much rather have someone like Frost or...literally anyone else basically.

I'd say take her out and put Goro in and that becomes an Outworld team alongside Jade, Kitana, Mileena and Skarlet. Or you put Jerrod in that spot and it becomes nearly a total 'Edenia team'. Or we say the roster is 26 total with Goro at the center of a diamond shape.

Kobra would actually fit great alongside the Earthrealm team (as compared to the Shaolin team). It also puts a wildcard on them instead of a stacked group of good guys. Plus it links to the Black Dragon for future DLC.

Instead give characters active passive abilities

This is a great fucking idea. Maybe not necessarily to tie into a specific life total for every character but an ability that can be activated or that activates automatically for the character is a great way to add personality and playstyle to them. I like that a lot.

 

[Subby Z]

See I'm of the mind that you WOW out of the gate. "Holy shit they made [unloved character] awesome! They're firing on all cylinders". Remember the Stryker situation. Stryker was in MK9 off the rip and was loved for his redesign and new approach. Character went from dogshit-tier to really liked. I think doing things like that is actually how you earn trust because you are not playing it safe.

A big-body character is an absolute must. Goro has been gone for a while and got done dirty in MK1 so he might be a top choice. He's a face of the franchise and also deserves some major character work to develop him visibly to people in the modern day.

Also not gonna lie I think Harumi is a terrible choice. She's the Uncle Ben of the franchise. Bringing her back to life just feels lame. She's not a character people are connected to in any way. She's not a character really. She's the idea of 'Scorpions wife' and her being back regresses Hanzo. Like when I say I don't like it, I actively fucking hate it. I'd much rather have someone like Frost or...literally anyone else basically.

I'd say take her out and put Goro in and that becomes an Outworld team alongside Jade, Kitana, Mileena and Skarlet. Or you put Jerrod in that spot and it becomes nearly a total 'Edenia team'. Or we say the roster is 26 total with Goro at the center of a diamond shape.

Kobra would actually fit great alongside the Earthrealm team (as compared to the Shaolin team). It also puts a wildcard on them instead of a stacked group of good guys. Plus it links to the Black Dragon for future DLC.



This is a great fucking idea. Maybe not necessarily to tie into a specific life total for every character but an ability that can be activated or that activates automatically for the character is a great way to add personality and playstyle to them. I like that a lot.

I see what you’re saying with the harumi thing, but I think if written correctly it could work out. First I’m not just bringing her back to put her with Scorpion. My thoughts are more along the lines of Noob Saibot has actively become so fucking evil he literally finds a way to resurrect her. Again though she doesn’t know who she is and neither does Hanzo immediately. Tbh it doesn’t even have to lead to the 2 ending up back together.

My plans for Sub-Zero were now that he has finally saved Smoke his next objective is to finally save his brother. However along the way he realizes he can’t and maybe was never supposed to.

Hanzo himself could come to the same realization that the woman he used to love is just dead now as is the Bi-han that Kuai Liang knew. Basically a letting go of the past sort of thing. They can hold onto things from their pasts, but they need to realize those things/people are actively damaging them and keeping them from moving on. The fact that Harumi (again I want to give her a codename) doesn’t even remember Hanzo would be the catalyst to him realizing maybe this isn’t the person I knew anymore ya know? It’s just someone who looks like her, but not truly harumi.

It gives those 2 some closure with huge parts of their pasts and hopefully allows both Hanzo and Kuai Liang to move forward into newer stories

Anyway I understand not liking it, but I do think MK needs better females haha. It has some amazing ones, but there are some that are just so fucking forgettable. You can rework them but the ones without good stories end up just kind of there. Like with Kira I think she ended up with a cool looking revamp in snowblind, but she was still forgettable and I worry she will just remain forgettable. Then again maybe she’s just not my cup of tea though and that’s okay.

Plus it also ties her into pre-existing lore which makes her instantly related to characters in the cast.

I really like characters who stand out though. Like a very defined moveset and abilities. Cetrion for instance in MK11 drove me batshit insane. Not only did they make a playable elder god (which is something I do not like at all), but they also made her moveset so fucking convoluted. She had plant moves, but could also light them on fire then she could summon rocks. Idk she seemed like too all over the fucking place for my liking. As a result I ended up hating her character and really never want to see her again. Lillith is my answer to a true plant based character and everything you can do with that.

I’m down for Jerrod, but still not sure on Kobra. If you think they can do him right and really make him stand out among the crowd then cool. I’ll admit I don’t see as much potential in him as a character like Kai though.

Maybe he could be like a double agent of some sort?