The most recent REO podcast episode is huge, and we should talk about it

[jmt]

Those 3 guys are no longer relevant. I don't think REO has even been to a tourney in years.

Let me know when Sonic and NinjaKilla do a podcast.

 

[Rodney Quillz]

Lmao at the people calling them hasbeens, They would probably still wash you.

Mike Tyson can’t compete anymore but could most likely still give the average Joe Schmoe boxer a trip to the hospital.

Jordan is old as hell and can’t go with the big dogs but he’s murdering all the people who are 20 years younger than him at his basket ball camp lol.

 

[NaughtySenpai]

Yeah but don't compare those guys to Jordan and Tyson please.

 

[M2Dave]

You don't react to the throws startup, you react in the amount of frames you get to tech it after it's already grabbed you. Which are 16 IIRC? Dizzy would know, I know it's in the low 20s.

The start up matters too, but you are 100% right. I should have mentioned the tech window too.

Lmao at the people calling them hasbeens, They would probably still wash you.

Mike Tyson can’t compete anymore but could most likely still give the average Joe Schmoe boxer a trip to the hospital.

Jordan is old as hell and can’t go with the big dogs but he’s murdering all the people who are 20 years younger than him at his basket ball camp lol.

Thank you for the support. The people who genuinely want to engage in the discussion will attack the points that we are making, not us.

Yeah but don't compare those guys to Jordan and Tyson please.

But is it OK to compare Tom Brady to Tom Brady?

 

[DeftMonk]

well i disagree with some of your points but its also my opinion

50/50s are necessary in fighting games or els the game will be very fkn boring. nobody wants to play a game that you can react to everything and block everything.

for the random fatal blows they needs to be checked at but more on the punish side example noobsaibot and kabal fb been safe ? the speed of the fb doesnt really matter its ok its a comeback mechanic but having armor and been safe is what the issue is imo.

hitbox,anti airs and punishing that i agree. its not normal that you cant punish a -10 with a 9f after getting out of block. in KI,MC2 and even SC i can 100% punish everything without effort.

where are the 50/50s in sf4?

 

[DeftMonk]

The start up matters too, but you are 100% right. I should have mentioned the tech window too.



Thank you for the support. The people who genuinely want to engage in the discussion will attack the points that we are making, not us.



But is it OK to compare Tom Brady to Tom Brady?

Bro tom brady has always been like this and saying stuff like "oh this matchup is impossible hes gonna get 3-0d here because Shang cant beat jax" while hes commentating mk9. He doesn't have positive things to say.

 

[Groove Heaven]

I have issues with MK11 the same way I have issues with every fighting game ever made. As I've said before, this game has a few aspects that kind of - as a gut reaction - take me out of caring whether or not I win or improve. That's bad.

I had a huge issue with SFIV when I started playing it: vortexes. But Capcom fixed it in Ultra through adding the delayed getup mechanic. It made the game SO much more enjoyable not just getting wrecked by Akuma for guessing wrong over and over. Capcom understood that the community felt the same way and improved their game by changing the universal mechanics.

Point is, it's good to talk about the issues we individually have with the game and hope the devs fix them. I think NRS cares and I think they've done a really good job with the game so far. The oki, poke system, jumping attacks/anti-airs, and variation system could use a ton of overhaul but I don't think it's out of the question to hope or expect those things will change in the future.

It remains to be seen if NRS' long-term support for this game means going through several iterations where mechanics are tweaked and the game is opened up...or if it means spreading out the DLC packs over a longer time, changing nothing, and essentially doing the same old NRS cycle but slower.

 

[BRAZILIAN SHEEP]

Those 3 guys are no longer relevant. I don't think REO has even been to a tourney in years.

Let me know when Sonic and NinjaKilla do a podcast.

With all my respect, what is your point? One side is winning when you are at the peak of your young days, other side is know what you see, have konwledge and judge based on experience, facts and getting rid of biases.
Why do you think retired players in sports comment on tv shows podcasts and so on?

And listen....one thing is to be good in a game, other is being coherent, matured. You can say a lot of sonic fox, but that he is coherent and mature....please. He is a kid.
Just see his tier list....is crazy.

And according to you, you just follow who is "relevant" and wins....right? So
...winning means everything? This is so wrong in so many ways....

 

[Rodney Quillz]

Yeah but don't compare those guys to Jordan and Tyson please.

Why not? Video games are on a much smaller scale but the analogy remains the same.

These guys not placing in tournaments anymore doesn’t mean they don’t have knowledge of the game.

 

[John Grizzly]

I dont really find Reo and the rest as entertaining as they used to be, but I'll see if I can stay interested.

It could be because they're all talking about the most boring game in NRS history.

 

[QueenOmega]

Not a good comparisson, since the players who consider mk11 to be "random", most probably consider mkx to be even more random.

A better comparisson would be about the mk9 top players. You can listen to some of them in this podcast

You lose the random argument when the top players are always the same lol. If MK is really that random, Fox should go to a casino. Honestly I feel like this complains just come from people who are bad and think they are better than they really are.

 

[Hellbringer]

Honestly I feel like this complains just come from people who are bad and think they are better than they really are.

Exactly my toughts.

 

[haketh]

where are the 50/50s in sf4?

Sure weren’t any 50/50’s in SFIV when Yun knocked me down & I had to deal with Crossup ambiguous J. MK, jump behind but land in front whiff J. LP into Cr. Short or command throw, & sometimes the J. MK is unblockable

 

[portent]

I don't get how people can't see what this is.

Everyone needs to step back and understand that this is no different than former elite level sports players going back to coach.

Maybe they can't compete with the top guys in the game today, but they sure as hell have the experience, insight and maturity to evaluate the game and try to help it become a better product.

Nolan Ryan and Greg Maddux (2 elite level, hall of fame MLB pitchers for the uninitiated) can't go out there and pitch teams to a world series now that they're retired for so many years. What they have is knowledge, and imparting that on new players, new front office officials and administrators is essential to helping the product (what the team puts out on the field) is easily as important than how the players themselves play.

Instead of calling them and their opinions irrelevant, recognize that they're adding to the discussion, and they most likely know a whole lot more than you do.

 

[BRAZILIAN SHEEP]

You lose the random argument when the top players are always the same lol. If MK is really that random, Fox should go to a casino. Honestly I feel like this complains just come from people who are bad and think they are better than they really are.

This was addressed in the podcast too, and is a falacy.

1 - There will be always, players that can ignore the shit and be consistent for a period of time in ANY game. According to this argumentation, there is no fucked up fighting game in history, because at the top 8 basically the guys there were the same.
What is your thought about Marvel vc capcom 2? The top 8 was consistent there.
There are good players, and there are good games and fucked up games. 2 things completely different.

2 - With my respect, too, this argument seems to come from lack of knowledge of what neutral and fighting games are. Seems to come from a place that believes in meritocracy too, which is one of the biggest bullshits of all time.
Do you think that LIFE is fair? Because the top 8 in life is pretty consistent too....

 

[deathstroke187]

where are the 50/50s in sf4?

the oki situations , throw game , invincible DP etc..

 

[Qwark28]

where are the 50/50s in sf4?

Hope you're not serious with this statement.

SF4 has been full of 50/50 setplay since vanilla.

 

[M2Dave]

This was addressed in the podcast too, and is a falacy.

Your analogy is a fallacy.

Paul B. labels the game "random" and implies that a worse player can beat a better player, of which there is a total of zero examples in offline as well as online tournaments. If someone dislikes the game, just say so. Nobody will criticize you for disliking it, but there is no good reason to make baseless assertions.

 

[deathstroke187]

the speed of fatal blows matter in certain situations when you're eating fast full screen/half screen supers. also supers in most fighters tend to have some sort of screen freeze

speed doesnt matter , its part of the mu , some characters has god like FB and some as shit FB its part of their toolset some are anoying to deal with and some are easy to deal with its part of the game. The issue with the one like you said that are fullscreen and fast is that some of them are safe.

 

[DeftMonk]

Every fighting game has issues.

Hope you're not serious with this statement.

SF4 has been full of 50/50 setplay since vanilla.

No you're right but its not the only way to open people up. Every game has mix I suppose. When I wrote that I was thinking back to what people refer to in mkx as 50/50 which is just normals leading into two different paths fromlow/overhead. Stuff like lows or jump instant dive kick/ stomps/fire balls/ throws technically are 50/50s as well I suppose so your definately right.

 

[DeftMonk]

Sure weren’t any 50/50’s in SFIV when Yun knocked me down & I had to deal with Crossup ambiguous J. MK, jump behind but land in front whiff J. LP into Cr. Short or command throw, & sometimes the J. MK is unblockable

Nah ur right as Quark said. I guesss its just a vocabulary thing but I always thought of 50/50s with 2 paths from low/oh mix. But there is hella mix in sf4. I mean el fuerte for instance is just a mix machine.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

I agree with pretty much everything they said.

The CORE of this game needs to change. Pokes, jumps, wakeup system, fatal blows, the input the of the breakaway and the block system.

Second vote for this.

This was a great podcast, even though I'm going to be hearing Brady say "let me just say one more thing" in my nightmares for weeks to come. But that's beside the point.

 

[Raidenwins]

Hi Guys. I wish you all a very good day.

I've listened to this episode of REO's podcast, and I think this is useful for all of us who play this game.

I got pretty reliefed afterwards because almost everything that was said by Brady, REO and Slips (which said a lot of harsh truths regarding mk11) I thought before listening to the podcast.

In this podcast they exposed basically everything wrong in MK11, and for me personally, the reason why any reasonable person should not compete or take this mess seriously.

Slips starts to speak at 43.00 min, and if you don't want to listen all the episode, at least this part. It is really good.

Can this be downloaded from somewhere? Last time i tried to listen a REO podcast, all i could see was the YouTube video with no ability to download the audio file.

 

[ABACABB]

1:02:34
Dude , im a good player .... wtf is going on here ... Why cant I beat Joe Shmoe bag of donuts in pools , Whats going on?

me , but replace pools with Kombat League lol

 

[Lord_Gandalf]

Out of all the people that have some sort of platform, I find these guys to be the most negative. Of course there are issues with the game but just listening to them is painful; Always searching for something to complain about. Its a group mindset they've created within their group, that which is again, very negative/not helpful. Reo and Slips seem the most reasonable but they still cater and condone to the from the hip irrational emotional responses of the others.