Who is the most down played character?

[Marinjuana]

Yea, a character without crushing blows, an overhead, and projectiles that whiff against half the roster is top tier. Name a character other than Johnny that can get poked out of his re-stand (nutpunch). Everybody else gets a mid F3 except us. None of you seem to be concerned with Jacqui canceling normals indefinitely, Sub Zero's 50/50s, or Liu Kang's end all tell all F4 string. All the cheap shit that happens in this game gets overlooked when Johnny gets brought up. It's hypocritical. Fixing hitboxes isn't a downplay whatsoever. It shouldn't be a problem in the first place. In fact it's still a problem in MKX. Downplaying would be calling him a bad character; he isn't. He's B tier in the right hands. I suck against D'Vorah and Kotal Khan. That doesn't make them any less shit.
Complaints about Kitana are legitimate as well. What does she have anyway? One string that actually works? I don't think I ever lost to a Kitana player since the first month this game came out.

Not having a mid F3 is one of the most arbitrary complaints I've ever seen on this forum. Some characters don't even have a F3 haha

That's another vote for Johnny folks!

 

[NeroOps]

Dvorah, Kitana, and now Shang

 

[Vslayer]

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Apart from what they say in there, I'm sorry but it's ignorant posts like these that make nrs churn out crap balance.

Up close and personal? I suggest you actually try the character first, then re-read what the pros tweeted about him, and then come here and put down a valid and documented opinion.

Bruh, just stop. Johnny’s good.

 

[lionheart21]

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Apart from what they say in there, I'm sorry but it's ignorant posts like these that make nrs churn out crap balance.

Up close and personal? I suggest you actually try the character first, then re-read what the pros tweeted about him, and then come here and put down a valid and documented opinion.

You mean like Ketchup, who also said that he's not bad and said that there's more to him than his forceball pressue?

 

[deathstroke187]

sub zero

 

[SeymorSlash216]

Jax, easily.

 

[SwiftEagle]

Not having a mid F3 is one of the most arbitrary complaints I've ever seen on this forum. Some characters don't even have a F3 haha

That's another vote for Johnny folks!

Spoken like somebody who never gets D2'd in every match he plays.
Here's the list of characters who have F3 mids:
-Shao Khan
-Sonya
-Jax
-Scorpion
-Raiden
-Jacqui
-Kabal
-Erron
-Geras
-Kollector
That's over a third of the cast. If you include Baraka, Sub Zero, Skarlet, Jade, Kung Lao, and even Kotal Khan, that's more than half the cast since their F4s are mids.
Cassie, Kotal, and Jade all have low F3s too.
D'Vorah, Frost, Noob, Kitana, and Cetrion's F3s are highs, but they have overheads to compensate with the exception of Kitana. Her only viable string at a high level is her B2 string, and you can see her overhead coming a mile away.
Johnny's entire game plan revolves around countering neutral ducking, and relying on grabs to open people up. What if grabs weren't a 50/50 guess? How would you stop a crouch blocker or a hitbox pirate that mashes D2s and D1s?
He's a whiff punisher through and through. He's not a "rush down" character like MKX. You have to constantly back dash and fight at mid range.
A very ignorant post on your part.

 

[Marinjuana]

Spoken like somebody who never gets D2'd in every match he plays.
Here's the list of characters who have F3 mids:
-Shao Khan
-Sonya
-Jax
-Scorpion
-Raiden
-Jacqui
-Kabal
-Erron
-Geras
-Kollector
That's over a third of the cast. If you include Baraka, Sub Zero, Skarlet, Jade, Kung Lao, and even Kotal Khan, that's more than half the cast since their F4s are mids.
Cassie, Kotal, and Jade all have low F3s too.
D'Vorah, Frost, Noob, Kitana, and Cetrion's F3s are highs, but they have overheads to compensate with the exception of Kitana. Her only viable string at a high level is her B2 string, and you can see her overhead coming a mile away.
Johnny's entire game plan revolves around countering neutral ducking, and relying on grabs to open people up. What if grabs weren't a 50/50 guess? How would you stop a crouch blocker or a hitbox pirate that mashes D2s and D1s?
He's a whiff punisher through and through. He's not a "rush down" character like MKX. You have to constantly back dash and fight at mid range.
A very ignorant post on your part.

I was leaning towards Jade for my vote but this is next level shit right here. I'm genuinely impressed, bravo sir

 

[SwiftEagle]

I was leaning towards Jade for my vote but this is next level shit right here. I'm genuinely impressed, bravo sir

Not an argument.

 

[dribirut]

Shang hands down. At least by his community

 

[Marinjuana]

Not an argument.

I'm not arguing, I'm praising!

 

[Shale101]

Jades legit punish is like 188 damage. You have a quarter of the cast or more can get 300+ out of a punish. Her highest damage punish is like 188dmg. I'm not talkin conversions you turn into something. If the opponent does a string at you that's -20 and you punish with Jade you're basically getting 188. Spend 2 bars you MIGHT get 230dmg. That's pretty horrible.

Also, almost every single one of Jades pokes are full punishable.

I personally think all this is made up for in her tool kit and range. But she has some SERIOUS issues even if it "seems" she's strong.

THIS ALL DAY. Jade is NOT down played she's just seriously lacking in some areas.....especially DAMAGE. People complain about her keep away game and air glaive but literally that was how she was built. She can hit you with 10 air glaives and you just have to get up close and hit her ONCE and it's over. Her new buffs for Jaded don't really make a different when you lose her zoning. She was built to be a zoner and not rush down. Yes her pole vault is plus but what good is it when you have no damage output and most of your combos are slow and very punishable? It becomes very predictable.

I also argue she doesn't have that great of range. SO MANY characters have amazing forward advancing normals, specials, and combos that are better in this game. Her forward 2 is easily spotted and so slow. Her back 2 has good range but people quickly learn to duck it pretty quick and they you are dead up close. Shadow quick has one of the worst ranges of similar advancing special moves......Just look at sub zero's slide, Kitana's square wave, Johnny cage's shadow kick, Shao Kahn's leap, LUi Kang's kick. Most characters have a tool to get in on her.....either a fast special move that's full screen or a teleport or a forward advancing normal .

 

[Wrenchfarm]

Kabal and Scrop are the most egregiously downplayed.

Kotal actually is bad, keep his name out of your mouth when it comes to this discussion.

 

[Blewdew]

Why do I read kabal so often here? I‘ve never seen anyone saying that he‘s a bad character or not a top 10 character.

 

[SwiftEagle]

I'm not arguing, I'm praising!

I accept your concession.

 

[EMPRESS_SunFire]

It really depends...
Here on TYM Jade, Kitana, Johnny and Noob have been severely downplayed since forever. Shang Taung joined that list after the patch.

Outside of here I think Jax, Sub Zero and post-patch Erron are the most downplayed free.

 

[Hellbringer]

You know a character is downplayed hard when u make a thread asking who is the most downplayed, and those ppl come and defend their character in that thread.

 

[Swindle]

Kitana

Nah, fam. You fuckin’ noddy?

 

[Espio]

Scorpion because we got people claiming he's dead because teleport is high. Meanwhile Johnny is doing his high hitting shadow kick that doesn't lead to a combo or have the range of teleport and nobody is tripping about it among other characters with high hitting attacks that don't check as many boxes as Scorpion's teleport still does.

You know a character is downplayed hard when u make a thread asking who is the most downplayed, and those ppl come and defend their character in that thread.

You're not wrong, but there's also a problem on the reverse side of this. I'm not an advocate for downplaying since I think she's actually in a good place post patch. Her actual frustrating match ups got toned down so she can turtle Scorpion more instead of having to be risky just to do even minor things and not be as caught out there by Shang and others.

She reminds me of Baraka minus the damage. Some good mids, pokes and respectable zoning. They don't open you up with mix, they make you overextend or get you poking at inappropriate times.

I think she's well balanced so comments acting like she's broke or people complaining about losing to shit like, glaive, back 2 and down 4 is just as bad as saying she's trash to me because it requires a suspension of rationality in favor of complaining which I don't like no matter the topic or stance taken. Like if you lose to either of those things, you got out played. Tough pill to swallow.

I think she's a solid mid tier character in this version of the game and it feels a lot less precarious playing her. Certainly has legit strengths, but also has flaws and cons that keep her balanced.

 

[Tanya-Fan-28]

My main is Kronika, she's so bad nrs plz buff

 

[NaCl man]

3 pages of jade downplay lol.

OP I think you have your answer lol.

 

[TyCarter35]

Ppl here saying Jax is downplayed? Dude as of post patch he is def not downplayed as most of the Jax community thinks he's top 10 now, pre patch it was reasonable to say he was overrated simply cuz the top ten was who he struggled against the most thanks to longer range normals and zoning being his main weakness, a trait most of the top ten had one of or possessed both and his MU chart didn't look too great pre patch. HD has pretty good comeback factor, two really good mids in f2 and f33, decent mixups and good stagger game, and 5 to 6 KBs that are more than achievable and a lot easier for him to get his offense rolling and ofc his fatal blow being 3/4 of the screen and 11 frame startup making it good for armoring through zoning which he sucks against and full heat where he has 3 potential KBs he can get right after FB. Idk how he's currently downplayed

 

[jcbowie]

It's upsetting how Johnny Cage got mentioned as a very heavily downplayed character and Johnny Cage players immediately flocked to confirm this line of discussion.

Edit: Lol @Hellbringer already expressed something like this, cheers.

 

[Arqwart]

Why do I read kabal so often here? I‘ve never seen anyone saying that he‘s a bad character or not a top 10 character.

Came here to say this. I see NOTHING on Kabal except comments that he's easily top 10 if not top 5 material post patch.

As for the most downplayed, it's gotta be Johnny. As much as the Kitana / Jade people are very vocal, they generally have some valid points on their character criticisms. Johnny's only real issue is inconsistent hitboxes.

 

[jcbowie]

As for the most downplayed, it's gotta be Johnny. As much as the Kitana / Jade people are very vocal, they generally have some valid points on their character criticisms. Johnny's only real issue is inconsistent hitboxes.

The worst part about this is just the complaint that he can't jail into bf2 on block constantly. Literally the biggest complaint is that Johnny isn't constantly plus. Man has ridiculously good frames, zoning, damage, the works.