Scorpion Changes I'd Like To See

[Matix218]

Lmao I see what you’re trying to do, but it’s not gonna work. Cuz yes I agree anybody can punish it just like I agree anybody can get hit by it. Regardless of level the two can always occur

Yes, dont you see how this makes your argument pointless? If anyone can get hit by it or anyone can also block and full combo punish it, regardless of skill level, what exactly is your point?

 

[SaSSolino]

you're reading but you're also not comprehending. yes anyone can get hit by a random teleport but pros aren't getting hit by it nearly as often as scrubs. scrubs are probably constantly getting hit by it and then running to TYM or ed boon to cry nerf scorpion

 

[vegeta]

Scorpion seems ok as he is to me honestly. Maybe some hitbox issues in some matchups but being an intended Frost player SHE has huge hitbox issues lol.
No need to buff scorpion. He’s like Ryu, pretty straightforward and fundamental. Super strong neutral but if you aren’t being reckless and pressing buttons he’s more than manageable

 

[vegeta]

That said I see a ton of people saying he’s cheap or TP is busted etc. well his cheapness and busted TP didn’t get him into top 8 at combo breaker lol. Mostly online players who hate to block or bait or make reads complain about his TP. Any competent player I’ve fought makes me pay bad for attempting to just throw it out without thinking lol

 

[Icefyre]

Too far man. Let's not get personal over games.

Normally I'd agree with you, but in particular instance...is it really? We're talking about somebody who consistently conducts himself with a holier-than-thou attitude, tries to sell his opinion on the game for real money (taking advantage of those stupid enough to actually do something like that), treats TYM as if it's some separate entity he's talking TO while simultaneously making posts...I mean, if we're gonna be fair maybe we should be telling Cherney the same thing?

 

[Wigy]

you forgot the part where that overhead low is super fully punishable, fully seeable, and can't be canceled safely.

What is fully seeable. The fuck.

If you mean you can visually react. No you can't, you read it coming and get ready to fuzzy, which adds to the stagger.

And you can end the string safely with pushback so go cry me a river.

 

[Wigy]

Also all scorpions saying git gud.

Most of the stuff you need to counter scorpions requires hard reads and tricky timing with fast reactions.

Scorpion just has to hurr durr.

In terms of skill to play vs to counter he's so whack

 

[Matix218]

Also all scorpions saying git gud.

Most of the stuff you need to counter scorpions requires hard reads and tricky timing with fast reactions.

Scorpion just has to hurr durr.

In terms of skill to play vs to counter he's so whack

Except if he "hurr durrs" with his teleport he gets full combo punished. And his best mid string, f34, only nets damage 1 time per match

 

[SaSSolino]

Normally I'd agree with you, but in particular instance...is it really? We're talking about somebody who consistently conducts himself with a holier-than-thou attitude, tries to sell his opinion on the game for real money (taking advantage of those stupid enough to actually do something like that), treats TYM as if it's some separate entity he's talking TO while simultaneously making posts...I mean, if we're gonna be fair maybe we should be telling Cherney the same thing?

Indeed, and if you check his twitter or some other posts of his here on TYM that's exactly what I did. Don't get me wrong, I really don't like the guy, but fighting fire with fire is never a good idea.

Wanna call him out for his rage quits? Fine, he walked right into that one.

Wanna tell him that nobody likes him? Disgusting.

 

[Wigy]

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Except if he "hurr durrs" with his teleport he gets full combo punished. And his best mid string, f34, only nets damage 1 time per match

If the opponent has sat and labbed it worked on the specific timing for teleport MB teleport and teleport cancel. Then reacted quickly and executed in strict window, often with a less optimal punisher to cover all the bases.

Meanwhile hurr Durr j3 lol jk lemme teleport to catch you antiairing

chain lol hurr Durr cause a bunch of the cast struggle to punish and even on block it does good damage, oh and covers the whole screen.

 

[Icefyre]

Indeed, and if you check his twitter or some other posts of his here on TYM that's exactly what I did. Don't get me wrong, I really don't like the guy, but fighting fire with fire is never a good idea.

Wanna call him out for his rage quits? Fine, he walked right into that one.

Wanna tell him that nobody likes him? Disgusting.

Oh no I agree an eye for an eye doesn't solve much, but just pointing out the type of person we're dealing with. I hadn't realized you did that, I don't have a twitter and don't normally check it, +1.

 

[Hor_PeT]

Except if he "hurr durrs" with his teleport he gets full combo punished. And his best mid string, f34, only nets damage 1 time per match

I think you will not be able to convince salted people. There are many people beaten by the most basic stuff - you do not need to highlight the real threat of Scorpion if "reacting" F32 or punishing teleport is the source of the pain.

At least my friend is only pissed off by walk back B1 punish lol. He levelled up grinding the match up with me. First 100-200 matches he always got caught by F32 and teleport lol.
And I also get caught by it against Scorpion as need time to get used to it. But no point complaining about it.

You need to learn any match up. Almost every character has something which needs to be labbed (a punish timing, a string, etc.).
The discussion here is on very low level stuff though.

I do not even know what is the point of the complaining. Scorpion is a good character. No one should surprise it is a difficult match up for everyone.
We can go to at least 10 other character's forum and write the same as they are also really good and difficult to play against.

 

[Juggs]

Personally, I think Foxy doesn’t know that MU, or wasn’t comfortable with it. Scar was simply working the TP in Reborn. He had Foxy scared to do anything.

I still say SR is better than Reborn. I think his Air Throw should be altered. It feels a bit slow for that type of attack. I would like a Klassic MK style air throw for him.

He knows the matchup. He just got outplayed. Y’all REALLY put too much stock in characters and matchups and not enough stock on the actual players.

 

[MrArcher15]

Yes, dont you see how this makes your argument pointless? If anyone can get hit by it or anyone can also block and full combo punish it, regardless of skill level, what exactly is your point?

I don’t understand what you’re saying, did you actually read the back and forth I had with that guy? He was saying casuals get hit by the random teleport and that they are scrubs. I’m saying that regardless of skill level that can happen, so of course punishing it or failing to punish it can also occur regardless of skill level. I really don’t get your point

 

[Matix218]

I don’t understand what you’re saying, did you actually read the back and forth I had with that guy? He was saying casuals get hit by the random teleport and that they are scrubs. I’m saying that regardless of skill level that can happen, so of course punishing it or failing to punish it can also occur regardless of skill level. I really don’t get your point

My point is that neither one of you have an argument. Top players and bad players do both get hit by random teleports and they both can also block one and punish. So what exactly were you guys even arguing?

 

[Hor_PeT]

My point is that neither one of you have an argument. Top players and bad players do both get hit by random teleports and they both can also block one and punish. So what exactly were you guys even arguing?

You forget that from the complete equation: even top and bad players DO random teleports.

 

[OutworldKeith]

He knows the matchup. He just got outplayed. Y’all REALLY put too much stock in characters and matchups and not enough stock on the actual players.

It had plenty to do with the character MU. If it didn’t Scar probably would’ve ran Sonya.

 

[Juggs]

It had plenty to do with the character MU. If it didn’t Scar probably would’ve ran Sonya.

Just because he switched to Scorpion that doesn’t mean he likes that MU more, otherwise he woulda done that to begin with. His backup main is Scorpion. His main main wasn’t working. I do this all the time. If I lose with Scorpion twice in ranked I use Geras or Jacqui. Same with Geras, I go Scorpion or Jacqui, etc. Not that the MU is better but my character I started with wasn’t working out. And the switch almost always does the trick for me... almost, lol.

 

[Hor_PeT]

Just because he switched to Scorpion that doesn’t mean he likes that MU more, otherwise he woulda done that to begin with. His backup main is Scorpion. His main main wasn’t working. I do this all the time. If I lose with Scorpion twice in ranked I use Geras or Jacqui. Same with Geras, I go Scorpion or Jacqui, etc. Not that the MU is better but my character I started with wasn’t working out. And the switch almost always does the trick for me... almost, lol.

It can not go wrong switching among Geras, Jaqui, Scorpion as probably you will never get bad match up lol. Just the gameplan changes.
I dont even know if there is any counter pick among the top characters.

 

[Juggs]

It can not go wrong switching among Geras, Jaqui, Scorpion as probably you will never get bad match up lol. Just the gameplan changes.
I dont even know if there is any counter pick among the top characters.

Yeah if I’m using Jacqui and they use a heavy zoner, I can go Scorpion or even Geras. If they like to press buttons a lot, I can go Jacqui or Geras. Jacqui absolutely destroys players who mash or who do anything up close, lmao. Geras is usually used because for some reason there’s not a lot of good Geras players online, at least not on XB1.

 

[Hor_PeT]

Yeah if I’m using Jacqui and they use a heavy zoner, I can go Scorpion or even Geras. If they like to press buttons a lot, I can go Jacqui or Geras. Jacqui absolutely destroys players who mash or who do anything up close, lmao. Geras is usually used because for some reason there’s not a lot of good Geras players online, at least not on XB1.

Yes pretty that's it. I play a bit Erron Black he is also good against mashers. But my skill level and match exp is way beyond Scorpion's.

I do not like Geras gameplay and I do not really like close range combat either so for me they are not favorite option despite of the strenght.

I dont like Sonya either.

I would like Kitana but I am not as dedicated as Semiij lol.

I like punishing and Scorpion is a really good character to punish hard in any situation.
I just love that S1 he has lol.

 

[Matix218]

What are other scorpion player's thoughts on if NRS changed scorpions teleport from mid to high. I was arguing about this in another thread (arguing to keep it mid), just curious what you all think about how that change would affect him, specifically reborn.

 

[TotteryManx]

Hitbox issues should be addressed. Outside of that, he needs to change.

 

[Hor_PeT]

What are other scorpion player's thoughts on if NRS changed scorpions teleport from mid to high. I was arguing about this in another thread (arguing to keep it mid), just curious what you all think about how that change would affect him, specifically reborn.

With high only away tele after block would be the only reasonable move using it. Or getting in on opponent whiff (and normal teleport would not punish).

I think you would not be able to use it to even confuse the opponent with teleport behind as it is a one way punish. If your opponent can not block a regular tele he will not duck either lol. But who can react it now will be able to duck and punish every time.

Probably it could cause hitbox issues as well and could whiff a low profile move on whiff punish attempt (it can affect Scorp in general).

 

[Matix218]

With high only away tele after block would be the only reasonable move using it. Or getting in on opponent whiff (and normal teleport would not punish).

I think you would not be able to use it to even confuse the opponent with teleport behind as it is a one way punish.

Yeah they could just mash d1/d3 as soon as they see the teleport startup in pressure with no risk because cancel or not they will hit scorpion out of it. Or duck and kb d2...