I dont disagree.
As much as I want Sonya nerfed (AND BOY I FUCKING DO), I feel like this combination isn’t necessarily the issue. Remember Dragonfire Liu Kang from MKX? Between lowfireball and IAF, he had MEAN fucking zoning and he was a monster at close range (watch Ninjakiller). I think the difference is that when he went in he was still playing mindgames, he wasn’t blowing you up for 45% for missing a coin flip.
They also promised us an "honest fighting game based on fundamentals".
To me, Noob is a mid-range character. He has very good normal attacks, great anti-aerial attacks, and high damaging combos. Of course, the top tier characters have what Noob has and much more.
How about a character that can keep most other characters half a screen away or farther? Or a character that can force most other characters to approach him/her?
As a Sonya player I don't want her nerfed too much I'll admit, however I will say if they do touch her they better damn well nerf Erron Black, Geras, Scorp and Sub. I feel like whenever I go online that's all I get the typical go to "win character" and I think that needs to change. Yeah I know LK was a solid overall character in MK X, though I don't recall him winning a lot of tourneys if memory serves though that one guy was a beast with him. Damage output in this game is reduced though some characters can still get decent % combos for sure. I have noticed her far turret drop will miss if you're at full screen, like the fullest range full screen but most of the time people won't be THAT far so the one that reaches almost full range length screen will still hit you, then you have the mid and of course close one. Honestly, I wouldn't mind if they decided to make her either a zoner or strong up close, me personally I'd prefer the former being a zoning player but that's me lol.
I mean, they should get nerfed as well, but on their own merits. Not as an act of equality for Sonya mains. Doesn’t her projectile have a 12f startup? It’s nothing major with her, the main complaint I’ve heard is damage output. Her mixup is a short range high starter, sure, but then the cancels. She’s honestly one of the few characters I haven’t labbed at all, and right now I just want her rings nerfed.
To repeat my point, why is Erron Black not a zoner? Or Geras? Or Jade? Or SZ? Why aren’t they examples of strong zoning? You just defined “zoner” yourself and every character you mentioned fell perfectly in line with your own definition. I always have to approach Geras and EB. And they can keep me more than half a screen away if they want to.
Oh yeah of course, I mean just for game balance. I honestly have seen way more Blacks, Subs, Scorps and Geras's than Sonya(from my experience honestly) so far at least. Yeah I believe so. Yeah, though to be fair there are characters you don't hear about like Kung Lao who's damage output is pretty high as well, I played this one guy other night who was doing 40% like nothing with seemingly very little effort. But he's not top tier so nobody notices or cares. At any rate, I think a few characters need some nerfing/tweaking even if it's a lot, not saying to kill them all together just balance out some things for sure. I wouldn't mind if they slowed down Sonya's rings.
KL’s damage is situational and dependent on KB’s though. He doesn’t get it off a coin flip. Context matters. And for sure on the nerfs- Geras for example should be gutted. No reason for him to have the best throws, and the best combo damage, and the best fullscreen game, and the best d1, and the best jump in, and tied with EB for best fatal blow, and a -3 cancellable 11f startup no gap all mid string, and a consistent 4 KBs a game. The dude’s insane. Keep seeing people go “don’t nerf, he’s not that bad” bullshit. Or “buff everyone to his level” then we get janky shit like Project M 3.0. Fun, but drives competitive players away.
there is a serious issue with backdashing in this game, those characters are winning because theres no way to get away once they get in- but the projectiles and long range moves seem fine if we could just gtfo away for a second.
Fair enough. I consider him an anti-zoner because of the punish damage off of his mb teleport.
Well everyone's is situational to be fair if you can't connect them then that will be an issue but not all of his combos lol, the guy the other night was bodying everyone without KB combos. He was doing some AMP moves with spins for sure but wasn't relying on KB's that's for sure. But I know what you mean, a lot of characters are dependent on their KB for big damage such as Raiden for example, and good luck getting that B2 back to back in a tight match against a good foe. Yeah I feel that Erron Black and Geras HAVE to be addressed some how, Sub they don't have to kill completely but he does seem strong with the votex and his 50/50 game is elite. Yeah I'd much rather see everyone more balanced than have everyone buffed lol.
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In my opinion, Jade can be categorized as a zoning and anti-zoning character. She is a good character with conspicuous weaknesses. However, as I have explained in one my previous posts before, Erron Black, Geras, and Sub Zero are top tier characters that can do everything very well. These characters have 50/50 mix ups, yet they are formidable from a distance too. In fact, they have access to space control options that rival those of the so-called "premier zoning characters". Sonya, for example, has a projectile that is just as good as, if not even better, than Noob's spirit ball. The same argument can be made for Cetrion's geyser versus Geras's sand trap.
Well sure you can play the fight bearing the teleport in mind always...but more than once I have seen Noob teleport on zoning full screen and combo big time.
How so? Shang?
Yes. I will give my initial impressions soon.
Possibly the best zoner in the game. Better than even Cetrion. Definitely better up close than her, with probably equal zoning capabilities. Appears to have lesser hard counter picks on first impression too. Shang might be The One.
