MK11 Kano Discussion

[freerf245]

Also wish they would fix ex air ball. Whiffs on some crouch blockers.

 

[MK9]

There is nothing wrong with his d1

Don’t compare him to Baraka, if Baraka didn’t have his damage he would be useless.

Why are u using f1, only use it to advanced and use throw or command grab after. Use 34.

Like someone else as said , if you get someone who knows how to block him he’s useless. You can stuff f3 in the air.

Only way to make his top 10 in by giving him a mid, just don’t see that happening.

 

[freerf245]

There is nothing wrong with his d1

Don’t compare him to Baraka, if Baraka didn’t have his damage he would be useless.

Why are u using f1, only use it to advanced and use throw or command grab after. Use 34.

Like someone else as said , if you get someone who knows how to block him he’s useless. You can stuff f3 in the air.

Only way to make his top 10 in by giving him a mid, just don’t see that happening.

How is there nothing wrong with his down 1? All you can do to enforce respect is b1 knife toss....

 

[MK9]

I have no probs with d1, go with a different philosophy. You don’t need to jail them,

If the blk your d1, your style changers per there pattern.

If they keep following your d1 with there own poke, go d1 into Kano ball.

Than they won’t try and instant counter your d1, which lets you do 2 d1s in a row and a d4 which creates pushback spacing you for f4 or b3 or f1

They only d1 Kano can’t handle is kabal,

 

[freerf245]

I have no probs with d1, go with a different philosophy. You don’t need to jail them,

If the blk your d1, your style changers per there pattern.

If they keep following your d1 with there own poke, go d1 into Kano ball.

Than they won’t try and instant counter your d1, which lets you do 2 d1s in a row and a d4 which creates pushback spacing you for f4 or b3 or f1

They only d1 Kano can’t handle is kabal,

No character should have to cancel into an unsafe special move to enforce respect off your poke. You’re only proving our point.

 

[MK9]

And you think being able to jail someone with a safe mid is fair, that’s what makes kabal, Geras, sub, Erron, scorp bs up close.

You people need to stop with this everything should be safe. It’s called train him not to counter your poke, once you do that Kano dominates.

Yes you use a unsafe move, you can amp it also. If they blk they made a good read.. OMG WE CANT MAKE READ ANYMORE WE NEED EVERYTHING SAFE.

 

[freerf245]

Wtf are you even talking about? Air ball is -10 on block, it IS unsafe. It shouldn't whiff on block, that doesn't make sense. And NO that is not what make those characters bullshit. Do you even know what your saying? I would love to play your d1 Kanoball ass so I could blow you up for it.

 

[Marinjuana]

I think you guys are doing alright on +10 hit advantage with a 14 frame mid launcher and a safe sweep on top of d1-specials or just playing footsies with advantage.

 

[MK9]

I would only d1 Kano ball if you keep trying to poke my d1, once you are afraid to counter poke, than your jailed. B3, command grab. You aren’t getting strategy, you just was to jail with mids, which in kanos case is pointless cause he has no mid strings, so u will just eat a jab, you want they to make it so you can jail them with b3???

Don’t know what your doing wrong, but I have no prob jailing people as is.

You prob also thing f4 is a good move.

 

[MK9]

Wtf are you even talking about? Air ball is -10 on block, it IS unsafe. It shouldn't whiff on block, that doesn't make sense. And NO that is not what make those characters bullshit. Do you even know what your saying? I would love to play your d1 Kanoball ass so I could blow you up for it.

Who said air ball, and if you are playing online , please stop throwing out Frames, your frame data means shit online, frame data online has ment shit since MKD.

 

[Circus]

What @MK9 is saying is true. D1xxKano Ball is the business.
If you aren't doing it, you're missing out on conditioning your opponent.

What he is saying about frame data not mattering online is 10000% not true though lol.

 

[MK9]

What @MK9 is saying is true. D1xxKano Ball is the business.

If you aren't doing it, you're missing out on conditioning your opponent.

What he is saying about frames not mattering online is 10000% not true though lol.

Thank you least someone gets it

 

[MK9]

Thank you least someone gets it

Thx frame thing is 100% true, ifs something is +10 offline it is not +10 online.

It’s like if you play on two different monitors your combos may require different timing from delay.

Online you loose frames,that’s y shit becomes safe.

Try doing kanos 241+3 b3 f3 online, the f3 will miss 99% of the time, not cause of delay or lag but cause it drops frames. It’s a basic easy combo but he is not in the air when u go fir f3.

 

[TheJaquio]

Don’t compare him to Baraka, if Baraka didn’t have his damage he would be useless.

Sure, he'd be useless. I mean, if his damage was lower what would Baraka even do with his better ranged normals, safety on every string, hit confirmable and staggerable low string, OH that travels 2/3 of the screen, advancing 12f mid that's special cancelable and has a KB, way better low pokes, reliable KBs that get activated every match, higher damage projectiles, massive corner carry, and special cancelable 112. Dude's just got no options.

 

[MK9]

And take away the fact he need only two combos per round to drain your life is all I care about. The rest is manageable.

 

[freerf245]

Who said air ball, and if you are playing online , please stop throwing out Frames, your frame data means shit online, frame data online has ment shit since MKD.

LOL ok I am done talking to you. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

I think you guys are doing alright on +10 hit advantage with a 14 frame mid launcher and a safe sweep on top of d1-specials or just playing footsies with advantage.

Are you saying that I need to enforce respect off my d1 with his unsafe launcher? I'm not saying that kano doesn't have options off his d1, just saying that his options are trash compared to the rest of the cast for the most part.

 

[MK9]

You are saying that, you are the one complaining his mids aren’t safe. I don’t know what I’m talking about, yet your the one crying about his d1. You clearly don’t know how to condition ur Opponent and needs to spam and jail with safe hits.

 

[TheJaquio]

And take away the fact he need only two combos per round to drain your life is all I care about. The rest is manageable.

Look, I'm just saying that given the amount of tools a character like Baraka has, making Kano's b3 12 frames is more than reasonable, and would do wonders for him. He would instantly have a more menacing footsies presence, and a way to command respect after a d1, even with his d1 advantage staying at 10f.

Interesting to note, I remember in the original Kano Kombat Kast they were talking about his b3 being a single, non special-cancelable hit, but that it was okay because it was "faster" than most other characters' mids. But, it isn't--it's slower. Fixing that fixes one of his biggest problems.

 

[MK9]

You asking for a mid, to jail, that would be fast enough to beat a counter poke that would lead to a 25-30% damage combo.

 

[freerf245]

Look, I'm just saying that given the amount of tools a character like Baraka has, making Kano's b3 12 frames is more than reasonable, and would do wonders for him.

Exactly. I don't see how it would be unreasonable to give Kano an actual button to enforce after his d1 when THE ENTIRE CAST has that.

You asking for a mid, to jail, that would be fast enough to beat a counter poke that would lead to a 25-30% damage combo.

Do you even know what his b3 is dude? I have never seen it lead to a 25-30% combo lol.

 

[TheJaquio]

You asking for a mid, to jail, that would be fast enough to beat a counter poke that would lead to a 25-30% damage combo.

Assuming you mean the 25-30% KB, then yes, exactly like Baraka's f44. Or his b31. Or Sub's b32. Or Kabal's f2. Or Kung Lao's f1. Or like literally the entire cast, really. Just about everyone has a fast, safe mid/low that will frame trap after a successful d1.

 

[MK9]

I was thinking b2, I have no prob jailing with b3 now, like I said I get you want the easy way out.

But if you condition them not to counter poke you achieve what your asking.

 

[Circus]

I ran into ForeverKing on ranked.
He's currently ranked 7th in ranked and is getting ready for Summit this weekend:
I think it's a good showcase of how I believe the Geras vs Kano matchup should be played. (5-5 matchup imo).

The final score is 3-2 with me winning.
I hope it showcases how I condition as Kano throughout the course of a set so by the end I'm respected enough that I could dash up grab more. He obviously doesn't know the matchup tooooo well yet, but the point is Kano is all about conditioning your opponent. Do enough F4s and they respect enough to 241; do enough D1xxKanoBalls/D4xxKanoBalls and they will respect enough to grab. Is it risky? Yea, welcome to Kano. FeelsBadMan.

If a character doesn't force Kano to walk in on great neutral or projectiles, he will likely do decent in the matchup. Unfortunately atm there are a lot of characters with way better neutral lol. That being said, imo I see that he only has one MU that might be 3-7. That MU is Skarlet.

I didn't end up breaking top 100 today sadly. I got paired up with too many top 200 players that play characters that are, imo, bad matchups for Kano. I want to really grind my bad MUs before I pick up a secondary though. It's still early so MU numbers are so subjective.

I might post up my current Kano matchup chart if anyone cares enough to see it.

 

[Wallach]

I think speeding up B3 isn't a terrible idea, but it's already one of his better buttons. Personally I'd rather seem them buff F12 somehow, and/or give F44 a better KB. Aside from D1 or D3 getting more oH advantage, but I think that is something that probably needs to happen across the cast. D1 just doesn't give enough average advantage currently and leads to stupid exchanges up close for most MUs.

 

[freerf245]

I think speeding up B3 isn't a terrible idea, but it's already one of his better buttons. Personally I'd rather seem them buff F12 somehow, and/or give F44 a better KB. Aside from D1 or D3 getting more oH advantage, but I think that is something that probably needs to happen across the cast. D1 just doesn't give enough average advantage currently and leads to stupid exchanges up close for most MUs.

Best post I've read all day.