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And do what instead?Then don’t take a job with pay that isn’t adequate to your living situation.
And do what instead?Then don’t take a job with pay that isn’t adequate to your living situation.
sadly, this is how the world works nowadays. the rich get richer and the normal joe's do the hard work.lot of boot lickers in these threads.
nobody ever has a good explanation of why it needs to be like this. These games are immensely profitable, how can they not afford to pay their employees - who make the product that produces all the profit - better? Why are they so dead set on turn and burning a never ending mill of contractors instead of hiring people and maybe providing stability and a path to build a career on? If MKX can sell 11 MILLION copies (and who knows how much DLC cash cow money they milked out of it), why do conditions have to be so punitive and spiteful to their employees?
We all know why. So a handful of shareholders and CEOs can pad their already swollen bank accounts, that's why. So leeches that had nothing to do with producing the product can sit around and hoard obscene amounts of cash while the people actually creating the product go home exhausted, broke, and suffering from conditions they can't treat because these vampires won't even provide them with a health insurance plan.
sounds like a great set up. Nope, can't see any reason to change this ever.
Be a responsible person and do your research before going to school and taking a job in a demanding field.And do what instead?
sadly, this is how the world works nowadays. the rich get richer and the normal joe's do the hard work.
I've seen the management side of this interaction. They had 0 leverage. I can bet money the answer is "fire them and push back the release if needed'This implies that the employees have zero power. That isn't true at all.
In fact, the contractors actually had NRS by the balls and didn't even realize it!
Once crunch started, you had an entire labor force who were all relatively trained. You're not going to go into crunch with a bunch of people who don't know what they're doing.
The contractors did not mobilize, did not communicate, and did not band together. Imagine how CRIPPLING it would have been if the entire NRS contracted workforce had mobilized and staged a walkout, solvable only with a signed agreement of better pay and additional benefits, along with contracted (on NRS side) requirement about treatment!!!
First of all, the media backlash would have been unbelievable. If it got out that a contracted workforce had essentially unionized and staged what amounts to a strike, then ALL the dev studios would have been afraid of it!
On top of that, MK11 would have taken a HUGE hit if NRS had to come forward and say "We are delaying the release of MK11 because our workforce is on strike." That would have raised questions, and people on strike would have told their stories of low pay, long hours, and poor treatment.
It would have looked MUCH better if NRS could publicly come out and say "We are delaying the release of MK11 so that we can ensure the health of our contracted work force during the most crucial time of development. Our workforce is the essential building block of the games we create and we believe that a additional 2 months delay in order to ensure their health is worth the wait". That turns NRS into heroes, instead of them being demonized.
Again, there is accountability on both sides. They shouldn't have been treated that way, but instead of allowing themselves to be pitted against each other, they should have worked together to fight for themselves, better wages, better hours, and better treatment.
Just become a pro at FG’s like SonicFox obviously.And do what instead?
My strat is to be the banker in monopoly and slip myself a few extra hundo's when nobody is looking.Just become a pro at FG’s like SonicFox obviously.
Oh give me a fucking break. If you're a halfway decent programmer, you can EASILY find a job paying good money without all the BS alleged in the article. But if someone is only willing to program for video games, that's their problem, not the industries. Same thing goes for actors, football players and musicians. All of those are a dime a dozen and only a few will make it. If you can't handle that, do something else.They NEEDED those hours. They were getting paid barely enough to begin with. How people do all this mental gymnastics to justify a fucked system is beyond me.
It is when the contractor has one of the hottest skill sets (programming) in the current economy.It’s not a 50/50 case when one party is a multi million dollar business and the other is a minimum wage contractor with no rights.
Same thing goes for actors, football players
Exactly, you nailed the underlying cause. Excess supply of labor/workers for a given job results in too much competition for available positions, so workers lose leverage. People can talk about contractors unionizing, but those contractor positions are a) less integral than the FTEs, b) easier to fire and replace during a strike, and c) easier to offshore if push comes to shove.I've seen the management side of this interaction. They had 0 leverage. I can bet money the answer is "fire them and push back the release if needed'
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And i will say that while i find these practices deplorable it is very much a problem that the market has so many people willing to do it. On the one side you absolutely have companies trying to make sure this continues to be the status quo(which is where the shady shit comes in, see disney being sued by animators), but the whole reason it's this way in the first place is simply because there's more than enough people who are willing to work their "passion" and will be treated like trash doing it.
I believe you need to get a certain level to be in the union; for example, HS and college football players don't have a union as far as I know, only the NFL.Actors and football players have unions, and it's improved things for them dramatically compared to what it used to be.
I believe you need to get a certain level to be in the union; for example, HS and college football players don't have a union as far as I know, only the NFL.
And frankly a union isn't needed; its not like you can program only for video games or not. If you can program for video games you can program, and thus you've got TONS of options. I work in software, there's not a need for a union, because the employees/contracts have the power because the skill is in such high demand.
and they don't get paid. Imagine that.college football players don't have a union
"Crunch", more or less, will probably always exist in some form in games. At a certain point there's just too much stuff to do and not enough time to do it all. Lost work is a part of the process: you have to be willing to recognize that something you worked on just isn't working, isn't fun, whatever. Scrapping work and pivoting away will cost you manhours. Prototyping and iterating takes time. For a big studio (or publicly traded publisher), delays affect investor confidence. For a small studio delays can be very tough on your bottom line. I wish it was never necessary, and it can always be reduced/improved by proper planning and process changes. Ideally, games would almost never be announced until they were in their final stages of development, but that would undermine the constant announcement/hype building arms race you see in games today (and publishers planning their releases per quarter).Nor is it exclusive to just the entertainment industry.
"Crunch", or whatever they call it in each industry, always exists.
lol calm downUntil you people take the risk of owning a business and all it involves, shut the fuck up about it already.
I come on here to read and discuss mortal kombat, not about some idiots who don't know how to negotiate a contract and cry about how hard their lives are.
Either do the fucking job or go somewhere else or investigate and do research about the career you're getting into.
I shadowed doctors and PA's for three years in college and knew what the lifestyle would be.
Gamefaqs 2.1.6.
The rich take risks with their money and resources. The "normal joes" just go through life without a care.
Ladies and gentleman, this is a perfect example of the type of person to make sure you don't turn into.Until you people take the risk of owning a business and all it involves, shut the fuck up about it already.
I come on here to read and discuss mortal kombat, not about some idiots who don't know how to negotiate a contract and cry about how hard their lives are.
can you tell me more about the risks that the NRS and WB CEOs and shareholders have? because i think they can fuck up as big as they want and still fly out with a golden parachute. what you say might apply to a local store but not these companies.Until you people take the risk of owning a business and all it involves, shut the fuck up about it already.
I come on here to read and discuss mortal kombat, not about some idiots who don't know how to negotiate a contract and cry about how hard their lives are.
Either do the fucking job or go somewhere else or investigate and do research about the career you're getting into.
I shadowed doctors and PA's for three years in college and knew what the lifestyle would be.
Gamefaqs 2.1.6.
No software jobs would benefit from a union. It's not like programming a video game is any more difficult or easier than a database app or web application. It's just different libraries and patterns. The skills are completely transferable, the only thing that changes is the problem domain, and that can be picked up in a year or two.I think for programming whether a union makes sense or not depends on the nature of the job/work. If it's a higher a level job that requires a higher level skill set a union probably isn't needed, because there's going to be fewer qualified candidates. So not all software jobs would benefit or need a union.
But if it's on the lower skill demand end, where the company can draw from a bigger pool, I think having a union makes more sense, at least for the workers. Not to say forming and having a union is without costs to the consumer, or that unions always work perfectly.
Yes, and they do so on the stupid delusion they'll get drafted to go pro. Oh, and they're also supposed to be in college to earn a hopefully (useful) degree, not play a stupid game. Then when they don't get drafted, they'll be able to get a useful job.and they don't get paid. Imagine that.