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Bronzefist

Bronzefist

Noob
I've been able to get a krushing blow off her forward throw a few times. No idea how, besides there is some kind of unique sound effect before the throw connects. I'm absolute hot garbage at this game, and don't know the general mechanics at all, so maybe I'm doing a counter throw? I dunno.

Right now I feel like her air blade is an absolute must in any build. It's soooooo important for controlling space.

I'm running air blade, the ground fireball thing, and her enhanced combo thing (I forget the official names). I dunno how I feel about her enhanced combos. I seem to get the most use out of her sweep, but I REALLY HATE how you have to mash out the entire strings on everything else. I'm hoping that is changed in a later build. It took me forever to figure out you have to commit to the whole string on those.

I haven't messed with her pole vault yet, but honestly I don't see the draw. Seems like you need it more for rushdown? And I can't rushdown for shit.

I am getting wrecked hard by Kabal. Like, I dunno wtf to do. Seems like he has the same optimal footsie range as her and his combos fucking HURT. I get juggled for days for huge damage. Meanwhile her combo damage is ass. Her punishes are ass too. Also, forget about trying to zone him with air blades when he has his ult ready (or whatever you call the low health super move lol). A lot of this is probably due to me being garbage at the game, but holy shit is he frustrating.
 
GLoRToR

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
Bronzefist said:
I've been able to get a krushing blow off her forward throw a few times. No idea how, besides there is some kind of unique sound effect before the throw connects. I'm absolute hot garbage at this game, and don't know the general mechanics at all, so maybe I'm doing a counter throw? I dunno.

Right now I feel like her air blade is an absolute must in any build. It's soooooo important for controlling space.

I'm running air blade, the ground fireball thing, and her enhanced combo thing (I forget the official names). I dunno how I feel about her enhanced combos. I seem to get the most use out of her sweep, but I REALLY HATE how you have to mash out the entire strings on everything else. I'm hoping that is changed in a later build. It took me forever to figure out you have to commit to the whole string on those.

I haven't messed with her pole vault yet, but honestly I don't see the draw. Seems like you need it more for rushdown? And I can't rushdown for shit.

I am getting wrecked hard by Kabal. Like, I dunno wtf to do. Seems like he has the same optimal footsie range as her and his combos fucking HURT. I get juggled for days for huge damage. Meanwhile her combo damage is ass. Her punishes are ass too. Also, forget about trying to zone him with air blades when he has his ult ready (or whatever you call the low health super move lol). A lot of this is probably due to me being garbage at the game, but holy shit is he frustrating.
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It's a bit of a concern if a pickable tool is an absolute must. I think this needs work.
Maybe it could be made baseline for her.

As for Kabal, he's much more complete than Jade in this current build so don't stress yourself over him.
 
HeavyNorse

HeavyNorse

#BlackLivesMatter
I've noticed that because I don't play Jade as a projectile zoner, I think it kinda throws some people off. It's like people expect me to start hurling razor-rangs at them, but I'm mostly trying to be at that mid-range distance and poking at them with my staff.

What's been your experience fighting Jade players online? How're others playing her?
 
STB Sgt Reed

STB Sgt Reed

Online Warrior
HeavyNorse said:
I've noticed that because I don't play Jade as a projectile zoner, I think it kinda throws some people off. It's like people expect me to start hurling razor-rangs at them, but I'm mostly trying to be at that mid-range distance and poking at them with my staff.

What's been your experience fighting Jade players online? How're others playing her?
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What Jade players? lol

I pretty much only fight Scorpions and Kabals with a sprinkle of baraka here and there.

Maybe it's because I pick Jade on the select screen asap and they don't want to mirror, but it's basically, as soon as I pick Jade... they go to Scorpion or Kabal.
 
santanabar

santanabar

Noob
how do you amplify shadow kick into that teleport? i tried a lot of shit, and always get that second kick coming from the same side...
 
HeavyNorse

HeavyNorse

#BlackLivesMatter
santanabar said:
how do you amplify shadow kick into that teleport? i tried a lot of shit, and always get that second kick coming from the same side...
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That means you have given her the ability which does the double shadow kick. Take that off and she will teleport attack when amplifying it. ^^
 
Flawless2

Flawless2

Noob
After spending more time learning her inputs and string properties better, she is quite fun to play. Had a scorpion rage quit, he made it real easy though, constant jumping, aa d2 whole match. Dont think he ever stopped pressing buttons

I learnt wiggly stick can knock another jade out of fatal blow aswel. Timing mustve dumb luck but it was nice to see that fbs arent completely invinceable.
 
AK Harold

AK Harold

Noob
I am liking Jade right now. @GLoRToR wish we could play some sets so I could show you why I think she is fair. She has a lot of hidden strength and she can be very oppressive. I honestly had the same first impressions so i started with Kabal, I then got rekt by a Jade player mid screen.
So I gave her a try for about 200 games and started understanding how dangerous she was becoming.
As far as facts, she has good frames on her strings to push players away from close range.

A lot of people are complaining that you can punish aura on reaction. If you couldn't punish a raw aura it would be overpowered. Currently it is strong, but you have to use it in reaction or set it up.

Facts about her mid range dominance. Everyone agrees her d2 deters any jumping without aerial mobility. This grounds anyone that is in the cast without an air move that can hit a grounded Jade. If you did get aura going, this also grounds anyone that relies on air projectiles. This alone is very strong.

If you use low spark. At mid range it is very difficult to react to. This let's you control them pushing buttons. It beats most footsie tools like baraka knee, scorpion b1, and skarlet strings. If they are close enough to tag you at tip range you can slight backstep and punish any of those with B2. This is the ideal discomfort zone for them. So what options do they have. They have to walk and block. Get your damage here and use the screen. If they play as perfectly as you, you will get cornered. This is where you will suffer and you may need to take risks to escape. If they didn't play perfectly then end punishes with shadow kick and swap sides if necessary.

It is you outplaying people. It feels less rewarding if the other player is better than you or if they are about even. But if you are slightly better than the opponent it is extremely oppressive. I get constant hate over the mic even if I drop a game. Your goal is to make them less patient then you and capitalize. And if they are patient punish this with chip, it's a delicate balance.

I hope this helps some.
 
ChatterBox

ChatterBox

Searching for an alt.
AK Harold said:
I am liking Jade right now. @GLoRToR wish we could play some sets so I could show you why I think she is fair. She has a lot of hidden strength and she can be very oppressive. I honestly had the same first impressions so i started with Kabal, I then got rekt by a Jade player mid screen.
So I gave her a try for about 200 games and started understanding how dangerous she was becoming.
As far as facts, she has good frames on her strings to push players away from close range.

A lot of people are complaining that you can punish aura on reaction. If you couldn't punish a raw aura it would be overpowered. Currently it is strong, but you have to use it in reaction or set it up.

Facts about her mid range dominance. Everyone agrees her d2 deters any jumping without aerial mobility. This grounds anyone that is in the cast without an air move that can hit a grounded Jade. If you did get aura going, this also grounds anyone that relies on air projectiles. This alone is very strong.

If you use low spark. At mid range it is very difficult to react to. This let's you control them pushing buttons. It beats most footsie tools like baraka knee, scorpion b1, and skarlet strings. If they are close enough to tag you at tip range you can slight backstep and punish any of those with B2. This is the ideal discomfort zone for them. So what options do they have. They have to walk and block. Get your damage here and use the screen. If they play as perfectly as you, you will get cornered. This is where you will suffer and you may need to take risks to escape. If they didn't play perfectly then end punishes with shadow kick and swap sides if necessary.

It is you outplaying people. It feels less rewarding if the other player is better than you or if they are about even. But if you are slightly better than the opponent it is extremely oppressive. I get constant hate over the mic even if I drop a game. Your goal is to make them less patient then you and capitalize. And if they are patient punish this with chip, it's a delicate balance.

I hope this helps some.
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Any chance you'll steam a bit? Footage would be great!
 
GLoRToR

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
AK Harold said:
It is you outplaying people. It feels less rewarding if the other player is better than you or if they are about even. But if you are slightly better than the opponent it is extremely oppressive.
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The problem is that if you need to be better than the other player, you could very well be picking a character where that's not a requirement and do a lot better.

I see where you're coming from and it's well and good but we want a Jade that's excellent not just okay.
She deserves to be top tier for one game once in a lifetime after how she was treated in MK9.

I don't want to have to be better than the other player to hold a candle to him.
I want a challenge, I want to be equal and I want to be strong at being equal.
 
AK Harold

AK Harold

Noob
I'm sorry I may not have said it well, if you are equal it is still a coin flip it just "feels" unrewarding if you aren't used to that playstyle. I split games with a lot of players as good or better than me.

But when I am slightly better I dominate really hard. Unlike scorpion or Kabal when I feel I am better there is still a feeling that they could block well and come back.

But with Jade if I feel better, I can't help but feel bad for the other player struggling. She removes options to try to state it simply. Where as the others typically enable options with their skill set.
 
AK Harold

AK Harold

Noob
@ChatterBox I don't stream right now and I think there are already much better players streaming jade. Like Tom Brady, dragon, mustard to name a few.

Once live hits though I really like running learning sets as most people here know. I'll be on ps4 this time around. I did not feel confident for PC port yet. Waiting on crossplay for that.
 
MkPeezy

MkPeezy

Unicorn Papi
I'm trying her restand load out... Anyone mess with it that has tips? After restand I've been mixing f3(43) or throw but if someone has any input I'd love to hear!
 
MkPeezy

MkPeezy

Unicorn Papi
AK Harold said:
@MkPeezy what's her restand loadout and how are you launching to restand to begin with?
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I forget the name of it I'm not on the game rn but the move is bf2 and I do b1, f2, or punish a string that it b343 into it they restand in then I go for a "mixup" or bait depending the read. But it's just as negative on block as the move it replaces butterfly whatever it's called. My load out for today is air glaive, low fireball and that. Imma see what type of success I can have cause I can super zone then pressure with this restand. Might be trash but time will tell I'm going to play all night to get a feel
 
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