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Should HitBox be banned?

why or why not? im interested in hearing peoples arguements..i am a owner of a hitbox but i havent really took the time to learn it but in my eyes and from what i heard looks like they may be touching this in tournies..tell me if you agree or disagree with hitboxes being banned from tournies
 

aj1701

Noob
No. They don't ban keyboards (to my knowledge anyway). Some peopel are really good at stick, others may find themselves more confortable with a pad, and others a stickless stick. There's lots of other ways to improve your game that are external (caffeine comes to mind) that aren't banned (again, to my knowledge).
 
hmm that is a very interesting point about keyboards not being banned
now people talk about being able to do cheap things with it that are nearly impossible on stick or pad...do u think that they shouuld keep the hitbox but somehow modify it so that it can be "fair" or should people just suck it up lmao?
 
Kevin Ryman said:
Poor sports like cough REO cough need them to win. I view hitbox in not right not everyone can get one
And everyone has access to a Stick? Pad, yeah, if you're playing on console. Here's my post on SRK regarding the HitBox. Yes, I like it, I want to use it, I don't think it should be banned, but, people make me NOT want to use it because of all the horse shit that gets thrown around.

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to come in on this nonsense biased bullying against Hit Box. Yeah, a no name coming through, but I'm not blinded with non logical distaste for the product because it doesn't fit my opinion.

It's not an issue with the Hit Box, it's an issue with the community unwilling to accept any sort of 'change' towards an obviously better alternative. In short, people are internally feeling inferior that they'll somehow get bodied if they run across a Hit Box player, purely because said player is using a Hit Box.

The Hit Box doesn't do anything that a regular Pad or Stick cannot do, it makes it a bit more easier and efficient. Which is why exactly Arcade Sticks are used predominantly over Pad in general. It makes awkward motions a bit more easier on our hands, and it also makes some motions a bit more challenging.

Here, I'll quote from the Official Arcade Stick Faq from SRK the supposedly "mecca" of the "The Fighting Game Community" why players should use a Stick.



Well, that sounds like the same philosophy that Hit Box has behind it's product. Their tag line is to 'Take Control', so you can have a more precise and fluid control than a Stick AND a D-Pad. The core appeal of the Hit Box is having access to the 4 directional buttons so it's useful for many advanced techniques.

Any of that ring a bell to you nay sayers? It's the same concept and idea that the Stick is being used over Pad. It makes motions and techniques on a Pad EASIER on a Stick.

The Hit Box is a step forward to the standard that Sticks set, by the reasoning Aris uses and most people flaming Hit Box on being banned, should also be standing right up and saying to ban Arcade Sticks as well.

Hell, Arcade Sticks SHOULD be banned, am I right? Seeing as most modern day Tournaments are held on consoles where the default control of choice is a Pad, and not Stick, it should clearly be banned because: A) Not everyone has access to an Arcade Stick, B) Pad is inferior to a Stick, therefore Arcade Sticks should be banned.

On the argument of REO, and the ill informed person saying the Hit Box made REO (a subpar player MK9 apparently) win with a good character. First off, do a little research on who REO is. REO is the Justin Wong of MK, he's been a talented player ever since he picked up the franchise and has won events in previous MK games and even against UMK3 Old Schoolers. REO is not a person you're snoozing on, or a skilless player.

The instant Air Fireballs are supposed to be done low to the ground, does it matter how low he does them? The idea behind them is to make them low enough so they act as an Anti-Air and a grounded projectile. REO doing them any lower with a Hit Box doesn't change the fact that the projectile properties are acting as an Anti-Air/Ground projectile, any more than Online Tony (Stick), Erik Wara (Stick), or Michael Angelo (Pad) doing them, the IAFB still has 2 properties, it's going to hit you regardless. Get over that weak argument.

Also to note, no matter how fast a Hit Box can assist a player in inputs, they ARE limited to the FGs gameplay. A 7 frame Down 1 in MK9, isn't going to come out any FASTER or SLOWER on PAD, STICK, or HIT BOX, no matter how fast I mash or input the command.

You are at the end, no matter what type of controller, restricted to the FG's animation and frame properties. So cut the crap, about Hit Box being to fast.

-REO vs Dark Rob

REO was doing IAFB on Day 1 of MK9.

I expected better, and I'm not even a core part of the FG community. I didn't know to be considered a 'Skillfull' player, you have to be sloppy, not efficient, and struggle by making things difficult for yourself to get your combos out when playing a Fighting Game.

Boy was I wrong!
 
Scorpion= S tier with hitbox.
Kabal= insane pressure and zoning.
Kitana & Mileena= Like 1 inch off the ground instant air projectiles.

Imo, it should be banned.
 

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Kevin Ryman said:
Poor sports like cough REO cough need them to win. I view hitbox in not right not everyone can get one
Yea because before hit box reo couldnt win or place anywhere to save his life
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JacopeX

Playing: Injustice, Persona, Blazblue, and MK
I was actually planning on getting a hitbox stick specifically for MK...
 

DanCock

Cock Master!!
hit box is fine.. its not the controller its the game.

buy one yourself if you feel it gives a player a competitive edge
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
You still have to be a good player to place well with it, and it doesn't allow you to do things you can't do on a pad or a stick.
 

aj1701

Noob
hmm that is a very interesting point about keyboards not being banned
now people talk about being able to do cheap things with it that are nearly impossible on stick or pad...do u think that they shouuld keep the hitbox but somehow modify it so that it can be "fair" or should people just suck it up lmao?
If you can do it on a Hitbox, you can do it on a keyboard. You can mod sticks to enable cheap things too. Care to elaborate on the "cheap" things you can do an a hitbox that you can't on anything else?

Kevin Ryman said:
Poor sports like cough REO cough need them to win. I view hitbox in not right not everyone can get one
You've got to be shrooming. REO owns no matter what he uses, AFAIK.

Scorpion= S tier with hitbox.
Kabal= insane pressure and zoning.
Kitana & Mileena= Like 1 inch off the ground instant air projectiles.

Imo, it should be banned.
Why? Because good players not using a hitbox become impossible to beat unless you're using one too? Honestly if that happens, so be it. You then need a hitbox to compete, it becomes standard equipment. I don't see why thats a problem.

You still have to be a good player to place well with it, and it doesn't allow you to do things you can't do on a pad or a stick.
Exactly. I hope that when I'm done building my own my execution will be better, but plenty of my problems stem from poor decisions. No controller will fix that.
 
If you can do it on a Hitbox, you can do it on a keyboard. You can mod sticks to enable cheap things too. Care to elaborate on the "cheap" things you can do an a hitbox that you can't on anything else?



You've got to be shrooming. REO owns no matter what he uses, AFAIK.



Why? Because good players not using a hitbox become impossible to beat unless you're using one too? Honestly if that happens, so be it. You then need a hitbox to compete, it becomes standard equipment. I don't see why thats a problem.



Exactly. I hope that when I'm done building my own my execution will be better, but plenty of my problems stem from poor decisions. No controller will fix that.

The problem is that it makes characters better.
Scorpion rarely gets a safe air teleport, but with the hitbox, he gets it 99.9% of the time because it is so easy.

It is not fair to require players to purchase a hitbox, as well as change tier lists according to whatever controller they use.
Sticks and pads have differences yes, but not as major as a hitbox.

So it does pose a problem if you've never fought a scoripion who uses a hitbox, you won't be ready for his safe teleports. as well as other character tactics made available by hitboxes.
 

matterovermind

mindundermatter
If you tuned into the VSM mini tournament this Saturday, you might have caught Reo, playing Kabal, doing iAGB, on pad. What's next? Ban Reo or anyone that has the ability to iAProjectiles in general? lawl
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
No. Hell no.

Technically, The HitBox improves execution over the a stick and pad. But an arcade stick improves your execution over a pad. So by the same logic arcade sticks should be banned since it provides an advantage over a pad. I think the problem here is that The Hitbox offers better execution than both the stick and pad, so people think they're forced to use it. Also people have been using a pad or stick for probably a long time now so having this "new" style that makes them both inferior is hard for people to accept. It's nearly the same argument of pad vs stick. Sure a stick is better in a technical sense, but it's a matter of preference and sticks don't automatically dominate pads by any means. In MK especially, pads are of the majority. So in the same regard, a HitBox will up your execution but it's never going to get to the point where a HitBox dominates the game as oppose to the player using the HitBox dominating the game.

Besides, look at the ridiculous sample size we have here. One fucking player is using the HitBox, at least effectively that I know of in MK9. It's not really fair to base anything for the masses on what REO does in anything game related. Dude is a freak and probably a robot from the future.
 

aj1701

Noob
The problem is that it makes characters better.
Scorpion rarely gets a safe air teleport, but with the hitbox, he gets it 99.9% of the time because it is so easy.

It is not fair to require players to purchase a hitbox, as well as change tier lists according to whatever controller they use.
Sticks and pads have differences yes, but not as major as a hitbox.

So it does pose a problem if you've never fought a scoripion who uses a hitbox, you won't be ready for his safe teleports. as well as other character tactics made available by hitboxes.
I don't get how a controller can make a move safe. And can you use a keyboard for the same effect? If not, what is it about the HB that makes it unique?

I don't really agree with it not being fair to require somone to buy a HB. Any competitive game requires an investement. In this case, a console + MK9 at the least. For stick players, it should be easy to convert their stick to something like HB, for not a lot of money. I would think if you can afford a console, plus the game plus the money needed to register and get to a tourney, a HB shouldn't be a huge deal.

No. Hell no.

Technically, The HitBox improves execution over the a stick and pad. But an arcade stick improves your execution over a pad. So by the same logic arcade sticks should be banned since it provides an advantage over a pad. I think the problem here is that The Hitbox offers better execution than both the stick and pad, so people think they're forced to use it. Also people have been using a pad or stick for probably a long time now so having this "new" style that makes them both inferior is hard for people to accept. It's nearly the same argument of pad vs stick. Sure a stick is better in a technical sense, but it's a matter of preference and sticks don't automatically dominate pads by any means. In MK especially, pads are of the majority. So in the same regard, a HitBox will up your execution but it's never going to get to the point where a HitBox dominates the game as oppose to the player using the HitBox dominating the game.

Besides, look at the ridiculous sample size we have here. One fucking player is using the HitBox, at least effectively that I know of in MK9. It's not really fair to base anything for the masses on what REO does in anything game related. Dude is a freak and probably a robot from the future.
This. Also, what are the rules for keyboards? Are those allowed? Because I really don't see any difference between a keyboard and hitbox.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
The problem is that it makes characters better.
Scorpion rarely gets a safe air teleport, but with the hitbox, he gets it 99.9% of the time because it is so easy.

It is not fair to require players to purchase a hitbox, as well as change tier lists according to whatever controller they use.
Sticks and pads have differences yes, but not as major as a hitbox.

So it does pose a problem if you've never fought a scoripion who uses a hitbox, you won't be ready for his safe teleports. as well as other character tactics made available by hitboxes.
The EC players are doing fine w/o HitBoxes, and CDjr has shown that HitBox Kabal isn't ridiculously invincible. Plus, Erik Warda is a stick user (Stick is actually the worst controller for MK9), and does roughly the same shit REO does.

It's all the player, dude. If the HitBox was allowing things like they were in Capcom games when they originally began production, then yeah, they should be banned. But they don't. Everything you can do on HitBox can be done on pad, stick, whatever.
 

PimpUigi

Sex Kick
The EC players are doing fine w/o HitBoxes, and CDjr has shown that HitBox Kabal isn't ridiculously invincible. Plus, Erik Warda is a stick user (Stick is actually the worst controller for MK9), and does roughly the same shit REO does.

It's all the player, dude. If the HitBox was allowing things like they were in Capcom games when they originally began production, then yeah, they should be banned. But they don't. Everything you can do on HitBox can be done on pad, stick, whatever.
QFT
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
It's possible. And it's not for everyone. I could never use it, that's for sure.
 

Vilén

too smart to play MKX
The Hitbox doesn't provide you with an executional advantage. Sticks and pads provide you with an executional disadvantage.
 
some people talk about kabals execution...they say you can block in both directions in mvc...and then the iafb lets people shoot while they are barly off the ground
 
A LOT of good stuff from both sides..but what juggernaut and aj1701 are saying is interesting...like how keyboards can do the same and how stick has advantage over pad...another interesting point is that so far we only have seen REO do well with hitbox but he does the same shit on pad...and people should deff adapt to it because more and more people will start buying it and it may just as well be the new way of playing fighting games...this is real good info
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Man, I love my stick...It's a comfort thing. I would much prefer it over a pad now.

As far as the hitbox goes, my only issue with it was at one point, not everyone had access to it. Now that the production times seem a little quicker it's just as fair as a stick or keyboard.