Net Neutrality: What is all the talk about?

[Dankster Morgan]

I think everyone misenterpreted what Knicks said. He didn’t actually say an American invented the wheel, it was just poor wording.

 

[God Confirm]

Okay it’s because I didn’t wanna argue with you. You’re argumentative as fuck and like to type out essays which I frankly don’t have time for. I couldn’t care less what you think. America is shit!!! I don’t care what you think about America it has no affect on me, you’re the one who started a big ass arguement about poverty in a thread about net neutrality you fuckin psycho.

Point out the part where I said that America isn’t last when it comes to poverty or anything about patriotism.

dude you are such a weirdo. My post was barely longer than the one from you that I responded to LOL. You guys STARTED the discussion about poverty in a thread about net neutrality, literally made statements about America being a great place concerning poverty, and anyone who responds to that your factually incorrect misinformation that you peddle is just "argumentative". Start living in the real world you idiot, this isn't some country dick measuring contest, it's a factual measure of poverty rates per country, if you are going to falsely state shit about America being great about something, people aren't being argumentative for posting the facts concerning it - YOU are being argumentative for denying it and shifting the goal posts and trying to act like everyone hates America, and doing literally everything other than just acknowledging the facts.

No I just don’t wanna argue with him. I’m not argueing with the FACTS he presented. I didn’t feel like reading an essay he’d respond with. It wasn’t meant to be some passive aggressive bullshit. I really don’t care.

he's referring to the fact that you made a long post about me, without me saying anything towards you. Then when I respond to what is blatantly directed at me, you claim you don't want to argue with me, even though you literally posted in this thread to do nothing other than that. Hence why he said "if you care enough to subtweet some shade you are saying you care". And now you're got your eyes closed and your fingers in your ears singing lalala and outright saying you don't care about the facts, so, if that's the case just don't bother posting to begin with? It's not like anyone would be missing out on much

 

[ShrekForXbox]

Wtf is this thread lmao.

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

America is pretty low tier overall compared to a lot of other 1st world countries. Its good in the grand scheme of things, but not great, and I doubt it ever really was or can be 'great' with the short violent history its got.

The whole 'land of the free' thing is a bill. Freedom isn't an American idea, and America isn't exactly the greatest example of a free land considering its built pretty much on the backs of slaves (amongst many other issues that battle with the idea of America being free). There's so many countries that are 'free', and were free before America too.

On to the point of net neutrality, it sounds really unfair, but it seems like the US government is out of control, just do what you want right? Sounds like another good method to control the masses, get their money to flow in the direction they want.

To say america is lowtier is false lmao, as far as 1st world countries go America is great, again there is a reason people go to America to get out of poverty,escape religous persectuion, etc and this is shown now and throughout all of history. America while having a higher poverty rate than some other 1st world countries , people living in poverty in America have better lives than middle class of other countries, a person a 60 percent median income in America makes almost as much as the middle class in the UK,italy,germany,spain,and more. Il link the studies below,and of course it was great, throughout history America has inspired people to rebel against unfair tyranny in their own countries, in the past, many revolutions that happened in latin America , where inspired by the American Revolution. The short violent history? sure America has had racism in the past, but thats not what America was known for, America helped win the ww2 without it the allies would have most likely lost, America helped stopped the spread of communism, America holds the most physical endurance records,nobel peace prizes, innovations, most of the inventions you use now, the fact that they are basically the leader of the free world and are the largest peace keeping force in the world, so again how is America a lowtier 1st world country. And the U.S was not built on the backs of slaves at all, nearly every country at the time had slavery as well, america was built on principles of rising up through hard work, the american dream etc, the american dream is again why the U.S is the leader in so many fields and why it is the wealthiest and most influential nation on earth, and again when people think of coming to a better life they think of America.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-canada-passes-radical-law-forcing-gender-theory-acceptance
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#27d4084d54ef

 

[God Confirm]

Dude I didn’t say America was the best. You’re just like that other (soap bar in my mouth) who got banned for being for being fuckin psychotic. I actually didn’t argue any of the facts you put in this thread. Yeah America isn’t the greatest at everything, no shit you cuck. I didn’t say it was....

I meant you’re argumentative I’m general. Every thread you post in. Every time Tweedy or Pig post you instanty jump their dick.

I didn’t start the discussion about poverty in this thread, that was definitely started before my post. I didn’t even say anything about patriotism or America being the greatest. I didn’t say it wasn’t behind the other first world countries when poverty is concerned. I didn’t quote you because I didn’t wanna have to talk to you, you’re weird as fuck.

LOL im friends with Pig and am currently reading through the novel he recommended me, and as for Tweedy he's the guy who goes out of his way to talk about me in every thread without provocation, and a mod who saw the thread even said the same thing, hence why he's had to stop doing that. You're just butthurt talking about more shit you don't understand. Go be a forum cop elsewhere, you direct a post at me and you get a response

 

[Dankster Morgan]

LOL im friends with Pig and am currently reading through the novel he recommended me, and as for Tweedy he's the moron who goes out of his way to talk about me in every thread, and a mod who saw the thread even said the same thing, hence why he's had to stop doing that. You're just a butthurt moron talking about more shit you don't understand as is your apparently self appointed role on this site. Go be a forum cop elsewhere, you direct a post at me and you get a response, someone else even said it was clearly subbed at me, so grow the hell up and get off my jock.

Once again I didn’t argue about patriotism or about America being the greatest place ever and I didn’t say it was better than other countries for poverty.

All I post a lot about is Fate really but okay. Do your thing, Iv said some pretty hateful shit already and I’m not gonna say more.

 

[God Confirm]

Once again I didn’t argue about patriotism or about America being the greatest place ever and I didn’t say it was better than other countries for poverty.

All I post a lot about is Fate really but okay. Do your thing, Iv said some pretty hateful shit already and I’m not gonna say more.

let's move forward then, its all love

 

[Dankster Morgan]

let's move forward then, its all love

Tbh I do agree with the majority of what you post on this site in general. I have to admit I have a really short fuse and I tend to act defensive and not think before I speak, but that’s more of a life thing I’ve been trying to fix. You’re not a psycho, I feel it was mostly somewhat of a misunderstanding between us.

 

[scarsunseen]

Net neutrality does not fix the problem of big business lobbying to stop there competition. This is the overall problem in America. You are still locked in with them. They just have less rule to follow. In 10+ years of online gaming I have never met someone that has comcast and are happy with it. Yet their still one of the biggest internet provider in the US.



The biggest reason this is going away is because of all the streaming cable services coming out for cheaper on top of netflix, hulu. Cable is loosing customers at alarming rate and seeing as their the gate keepers to the internet they can stop this by throttling these services.

I'm honestly very happy with Comcast.

 

[God Confirm]

Tbh I do agree with the majority of what you post on this site in general. I have to admit I have a really short fuse and I tend to act defensive and not think before I speak, but that’s more of a life thing I’ve been trying to fix. You’re not a psycho, I feel it was mostly somewhat of a misunderstanding between us.

thats all good same to you as well, I just felt a little PERSONALLY VIOLATED so i went a was provocative in my tone in the response, it was a 2 way thing. It's all good.

 

[HellblazerHawkman]

To say america is lowtier is false lmao, as far as 1st world countries go America is great, again there is a reason people go to America to get out of poverty,escape religous persectuion, etc and this is shown now and throughout all of history. America while having a higher poverty rate than some other 1st world countries , people living in poverty in America have better lives than middle class of other countries, a person a 60 percent median income in America makes almost as much as the middle class in the UK,italy,germany,spain,and more. Il link the studies below,and of course it was great, throughout history America has inspired people to rebel against unfair tyranny in their own countries, in the past, many revolutions that happened in latin America , where inspired by the American Revolution. The short violent history? sure America has had racism in the past, but thats not what America was known for, America helped win the ww2 without it the allies would have most likely lost, America helped stopped the spread of communism, America holds the most physical endurance records,nobel peace prizes, innovations, most of the inventions you use now, the fact that they are basically the leader of the free world and are the largest peace keeping force in the world, so again how is America a lowtier 1st world country. And the U.S was not built on the backs of slaves at all, nearly every country at the time had slavery as well, america was built on principles of rising up through hard work, the american dream etc, the american dream is again why the U.S is the leader in so many fields and why it is the wealthiest and most influential nation on earth, and again when people think of coming to a better life they think of America.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-canada-passes-radical-law-forcing-gender-theory-acceptance
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#27d4084d54ef

To say that America wasn't built on the backs of slaves is ignoring how the Southern economy and U.S. exports through the 1800s were primarily slave driven. Cities and railroads were built by slave labor (or basically slave labor when looking at the near non-existent wages and employee rights), a lot of our early innovations were based around slavery (the Father of Gynecology was an American who experimented on slave women), and the only purely American form of music came out of the fallout from slavery.

As for our violent past, that doesn't include the literal genocide we committed against the Native people (Trail of Tears, not talking about Columbus), the lynching era, McCarthyism, this phenomena of mass shooting, and, if I recall correctly, we've been in an absurd number of wars when looking at our time of existence compared to other countries, George Carlin had a bit on that. We have a giant military, great. That's because we drop all of our money there (and our crazy high health-care costs) while other countries improve their infrastructure.

As for those studies, I just looked at the Forbes one. The first study is interesting, I'm not bothering with the second from before the Recession. But if you look at other studies (don't know this site, just using as a reference https://qz.com/879092/the-us-doesnt-look-like-a-developed-country/) we fall behind other countries on important things, like life expectancy, obesity, and money spent on health care vs. general health of the populace. If you go South, you'll find states where they have free health care clinics running like you'd see in Africa during an Ebola outbreak. So for a lot of the country, it's hard hearing "you have it pretty good" when they can't afford medication here while Germany has free health care and education and public transportation. I'm not saying your wrong, just for every 1 area we do well in, there's another where we fall WAY behind.

Btws, I'm not intentionally typing every reply I make here in three paragraphs, it's just working out that way

 

[Tony at Home]

Keep discussion on net neutrality strictly please. No macro politics.

Net neutrality is an immediate concern with a literal deadline in December. The other shit can wait for The Singularity for all I care.

 

[Lex Luthor II]

I guess it depends on what you consider as being “poor”. I definitely agree that getting sick/injury is probably the only thing you can’t control that will crush your financial situation. But you still will be able to get disability and perhaps social security checks as well. This is what happened to BOTH of my parents. They both get disability and I have to help them with bills and groceries every month, they simply don’t make enough. And they can’t get food stamps for whatever reason. Also with that said, it’s not as easy as you would think to get disability.

So yeah, getting sick in some way including an injury that prevents you from working is absolutely a way to become “permanently poor”. I actually thought about that as soon as I posted that but forgot to edit it and add that exception.

It is unfortunate that is how it is in America. But this is because most of the people in America do not care enough to change it. For a nation full of christians you'd figure they'd help each other out as their demigod Jesus commanded them to do so in a very specific way.

and yes, it is WAY too hard to get workmans comp/disability/rightful payment from insurance. It bugs me that the people who need it MOST are often the ones getting screwed. Most people are poor and can't afford for the money to come 6 months later. "Oh okay, you are right, here's your money." .... months and months later.

#Murica

 

[Juggs]

It is unfortunate that is how it is in America. But this is because most of the people in America do not care enough to change it. For a nation full of christians you'd figure they'd help each other out as their demigod Jesus commanded them to do so in a very specific way.

and yes, it is WAY too hard to get workmans comp/disability/rightful payment from insurance. It bugs me that the people who need it MOST are often the ones getting screwed. Most people are poor and can't afford for the money to come 6 months later. "Oh okay, you are right, here's your money." .... months and months later.

#Murica

Yeah it’s actually fucked up. I see people who can actually work somehow have disability, while people who can hardly even move have to jump through a shit ton of hoops just to get it. I also know people personally who make 3x as much as I do who somehow get food stamps. It makes no sense how people can take advantage of the system when it’s so hard for people who actually need the help to get it.

The people who get food stamps who make plenty of money and the people who get disability who can clearly work are the scum of America. Far worse than illegal immigrants imo.

 

[scarsunseen]

It is unfortunate that is how it is in America. But this is because most of the people in America do not care enough to change it. For a nation full of christians you'd figure they'd help each other out as their demigod Jesus commanded them to do so in a very specific way.

and yes, it is WAY too hard to get workmans comp/disability/rightful payment from insurance. It bugs me that the people who need it MOST are often the ones getting screwed. Most people are poor and can't afford for the money to come 6 months later. "Oh okay, you are right, here's your money." .... months and months later.

#Murica

Actually, for me personally, my problem was getting disability pay from New Jersey state, not my job's insurance company. I had major surgery in May (I'm doing fine now). My job was to pay me 20% of my income, and NJ state was to pay me 60%. My job's disability pay came through on schedule, and NJ state took four fucking months. The health insurance system in the US is broken.

 

[Juggs]

Actually, for me personally, my problem was getting disability pay from New Jersey state, not my job's insurance company. I had major surgery in May (I'm doing fine now). My job was to pay me 20% of my income, and NJ state was to pay me 60%. My job's disability pay came through on schedule, and NJ state took four fucking months. The health insurance system in the US is broken.

It should in no way be that difficult to get disability pay. For those who actually and CLEARLY need it, it shouldn’t take more than a week to get everything settled.

 

[kabelfritz]

To say america is lowtier is false lmao, as far as 1st world countries go America is great, again there is a reason people go to America to get out of poverty,escape religous persectuion, etc and this is shown now and throughout all of history. America while having a higher poverty rate than some other 1st world countries , people living in poverty in America have better lives than middle class of other countries, a person a 60 percent median income in America makes almost as much as the middle class in the UK,italy,germany,spain,and more. Il link the studies below,and of course it was great, throughout history America has inspired people to rebel against unfair tyranny in their own countries, in the past, many revolutions that happened in latin America , where inspired by the American Revolution. The short violent history? sure America has had racism in the past, but thats not what America was known for, America helped win the ww2 without it the allies would have most likely lost, America helped stopped the spread of communism, America holds the most physical endurance records,nobel peace prizes, innovations, most of the inventions you use now, the fact that they are basically the leader of the free world and are the largest peace keeping force in the world, so again how is America a lowtier 1st world country. And the U.S was not built on the backs of slaves at all, nearly every country at the time had slavery as well, america was built on principles of rising up through hard work, the american dream etc, the american dream is again why the U.S is the leader in so many fields and why it is the wealthiest and most influential nation on earth, and again when people think of coming to a better life they think of America.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-canada-passes-radical-law-forcing-gender-theory-acceptance
https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#27d4084d54ef

when arguing with you i will take into account that youre only like 16, still much time and space to learn.

first of all, you have not made a single point concerning the actual topic. read my post on page 3, it contains logical arguments which can easily be understood and discussed without fetching pages of external data from untested sources.

second, surely america has great social achievements like, as you say, freedom of religion. or in this case, net neutrality. you will not be able to claim that much longer though if you let the the current government keep up their constant attacks on any kind of social achievement for the interets of a few. which is what this thread is about.

third, i guarantee you a poor person in america does not even come close to the standard of german middle class or probably even the poor. lets not even talk about the really advanced european countries like the scandinavians. i mean, poor people in rural America live in weird shacks and trailer parks. stuff like that does not even exist over here, there are only real houses. poor people in southern european countries might be more similar.

did america inspire other countries to revolution? maybe. but it surely didnt invent the principle. america a peacekeeping force? lol. in WW2, yes. after that, more the firestarter of the world.

to the rest of the praise, i dont even know what to say. im not denying any achievement people of the country have made, even though you miss to compare the relative success (which would be like nobel prizes per citizen). but all success does neither weigh out the lacking in other areas nor defend misguided politics in the future.

last, the policy of hard work is one thing, there is no justice without inequality due to merits. but there is also no justice without a guaranteed supply with basic goods (of which internet information and communication IS one in todays society) for everyone and the push for equal chances for everyone to earn the merits. if society focuses on merits only we could also get rid of society at all it and live by the law of the strongest again, but i dont think that would be a long-term convenient state for anyone.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

when arguing with you i will take into account that youre only like 16, still much time and space to learn.

first of all, you have not made a single point concerning the actual topic. read my post on page 3, it contains logical arguments which can easily be understood and discussed without fetching pages of external data from untested sources.

second, surely america has great social achievements like, as you say, freedom of religion. or in this case, net neutrality. you will not be able to claim that much longer though if you let the the current government keep up their constant attacks on any kind of social achievement for the interets of a few. which is what this thread is about.

third, i guarantee you a poor person in america does not even come close to the standard of german middle class or probably even the poor. lets not even talk about the really advanced european countries like the scandinavians. i mean, poor people in rural America live in weird shacks and trailer parks. stuff like that does not even exist over here, there are only real houses. poor people in southern european countries might be more similar.

did america inspire other countries to revolution? maybe. but it surely didnt invent the principle. america a peacekeeping force? lol. in WW2, yes. after that, more the firestarter of the world.

to the rest of the praise, i dont even know what to say. im not denying any achievement people of the country have made, even though you miss to compare the relative success (which would be like nobel prizes per citizen). but all success does neither weigh out the lacking in other areas nor defend misguided politics in the future.

last, the policy of hard work is one thing, there is no justice without inequality due to merits. but there is also no justice without a guaranteed supply with basic goods (of which internet information and communication IS one in todays society) for everyone and the push for equal chances for everyone to earn the merits. if society focuses on merits only we could also get rid of society at all it and live by the law of the strongest again, but i dont think that would be a long-term convenient state for anyone.

This is true, I live in rural America. The people on the reservation can’t even own land, they can’t do anything to rise up outside of leaving the reservation. A surprising amount of them straight up don’t have running water. And I don’t even think the Navajo reservation is the worst one. It’s pretty sad.

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

You actually haven't brought up a single study, you just say things that you think are true lmao, bring up some things for me to look at it ,because most of what you said are assumptions and just arent true for the whole of America. Does america have really poor people? sure it does im not and never have denied that, and yes as far as net neutrality goes I want it to stay. And again you saying this is just false again, I actually brought studies by websites like forbes, many politicians and people discussing this usually use them as a reliable source, so again unless you have a reliable to source to show otherwise you are wrong, again for like the 3rd time il site it again but a person at 60 percent median income almost makes as much as a person living on median income in places like Germany so again what you say is false. While im sure there are some people in rural america that live poorly thats not the majority at all lol, and again that isnt even a fact like every time you have made an argument in this post, its made up off assumptions and things you believe are true, but no actual substance to back it up. Sure there are the Scandinavian countries with obscenely high tax rates and many people cant even afford cars, as far as advanced goes, yah not nearly as advanced as far as America goes in terms of everything i mentioned previously. America may not haven't invented the Revolution but i guarantee you that it inspired more people than any other previously, and it was definitely the most influential. The circumstances behind it are far more different it was an underdeveloped nation that defeated the most powerful empire in the world at the time Great Britain. Wow again another falsehood you perpetuate while providing no evidence, so please tell me exactly when America was the fire starter, was it when it helped stopped the spread of communism, helped many countries establish democratic governments and many of them prosper today, take south Korea for example which is now an advanced, democratic country because of America, or is America the biggest fire starter when it send the most to relief efforts around the world, or maybe it was the Monroe doctrine when America stomped its foot down to other countries trying to colonize the Americas, it also has the most diplomatic relationships in the world, helped win 2 world wars, and is considered as ive stated previously a safe haven around the world, but yah America def the fire starters. Well you dont need to deny any of the achievements because again as a 1st world country goes, it has more than basically all of them, because again thats what America inspires.And also literally one of my first posts again said how I agree with keeping net neutrality, so yah.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/06/01/astonishing-numbers-americas-poor-still-live-better-than-most-of-the-rest-of-humanity/#27d4084d54ef

 

[God Confirm]

I'm no longer invested in this debate, but just posting to say that you shouldn't really be calling out people for not agreeing with studies knicks, considering you completely discounted the statistics of poverty rate from applying to your country with nothing to substantiate it, simply because it proved you wrong

 

[EMPEROR_KNICKS]

I'm no longer invested in this debate, but just posting to say that you shouldn't really be calling out people for not agreeing with studies knicks, considering you completely discounted the statistics of poverty rate from applying to your country with nothing to substantiate it, simply because it proved you wrong

I said that u were right about the u.s having a higher poverty rate but i said that many poor people in america make as much money as the middle class in the uk and germany,and other countries.

 

[Nexallus]

To anyone else even thinking of replying to this thread (besides the one's who already have) just don't. This thread went to poop a while ago.

 

[The_Tile]

thats all good same to you as well, I just felt a little PERSONALLY VIOLATED so i went a was provocative in my tone in the response, it was a 2 way thing. It's all good.

Tbh I do agree with the majority of what you post on this site in general. I have to admit I have a really short fuse and I tend to act defensive and not think before I speak, but that’s more of a life thing I’ve been trying to fix. You’re not a psycho, I feel it was mostly somewhat of a misunderstanding between us.

This is beautiful

 

[Invincible Salads]

this is about net neutrality.....

and yet were talking about poverty, and how anyone can get themselves out of it and make a decent living, with just a diploma....

riiiiiiiiiiiiight.

were not all as lucky as you to know a person who knows a person who knows a person.

not that you need a college degree to be successful, its just difficult in general.

i'm also sick of that whole pick yourself up by the bootstraps attitude as well. Sure you can work 2-3 low paying jobs to try and make your life better, but the toll that takes on you just isnt worth it, especially if you work something ridiculous like 80 hrs a week.

 

[Invincible Salads]

Wtf is this thread lmao.

the kind where people think they know what they're talking about, and Murica is the best because murica.
lol