PATCH TIME BOYZ!...2.0

[xKhaoTik]

Just wanted to be the 100th comment

 

[LaidbackOne]

Yeah, 50% damage for a bar and low profiling everything is ok, just deal with it. Where the fuck did you people come from?

 

[freerf245]

heres a few things that need to happen imo

Black Adam - nerf his damage....like i cant believe that was seriously in the game on release day. and give his trait more cooldown

Superman - get rid of the OTG Divebombs (nobody else can OTG why should a broken character have that too). make F2 9 frames. Make super breath -5. FIX THE FUCKING HIT BOX ON HIS AIR LASER. get rid of invincibility on flying punch wake up.

Aquaman - less chip on trident rush. make b123 -2, make MB trident rush -8. make tentacle strike -28. make him take damage during water shield. make his d2 10 frames. his j1 shouldnt be as good as it is either.

Deadshot - MAKE HIS B1 -10 (GL's is -14?????) make his f2 18 frames,SLIGHTLY increase recovery on his straight shot. make MB knee -5

Supergirl - FIX HER DAMAGE HOLY SHIT ITS THE WORST IN THE GAME, give her one more laser with full trait.

Batman - reduce hitstun on bats and increase cooldown, fix mb batarang hitbox (its impossible to jump over??)

GREEN LANTERN - give him his old specials back...if thats not an option GIVE LANTERNS MIGHT ITS OLD RANGE. make 2231 +3 on block (he doesnt have a 6 frame d1 so it equates to aquaman having a +2 string, minus the trident). make f2 10 frames (it would finally be useful). make exploding lantern -6 and MB -1. make MB wall +3 on block. and slightly buff his damage, he should be able to get close to 400 with a practical bnb. and make his combos actually land like they did in INJ1 (why cant i f3 j2 b13 trait???). fix the character.

Catwoman - nerf her j2, make her b1 -6. idk what else but make her fair.

there are other characters who need fixes but idk them these are the big ones im aware of. im awaiting the trash talk. #BuffGreenLantern

So you wanna butcher Superman and Aquaman but break GL? lol

 

[dansel]

nerfs:

black adam: 15-20% dmg nerf
aquaman: remove the stupid + frames from his bnb string. slightly dmg nerf!
catwoman: fix the recovery of her b3
batman: he should not start with bats
deadshot: his closeup is WAY to good... low / overhead mixups, advancing and safe strings. come one. he has an overhead starter ... there are so few characters with real 50/50 starters .. why does deadshot get this feature, as a ZONER?

buffs:
if i am honest, the hardest part for the low tier characters is to get around projectiles. i dont know how to fix that. maybe decrease the damage / chip damage from projectiles, or increase the recovery after shooting one. reduce the amount of meter for using projectiles!

 

[EntropicByDesign]

Scarecrow: Fear-Ferno MB is now 0 on block (down from +6)

I can already picture something like this happening. Yeah I'm a pessimist.

No, I am legit worried about this as well as losing our d1.

 

[navaroNe]

Uuhhh yeah, you are.

See, it's easy to ask for nerfs of characters that are not your main (nobody, NOBODY asks to nerf their main character) because they're NOT your main character. But people don't realize that they're "messing" with someone else character that they love. My take has always been..."man, your character is awesome; let's see if they can make my character awesome as well."

Someone like Black Adam may have great damage but he is definitely NOT with serious faults of his own and is FAR from being unbeatable.

I never ever understood why people cry for nerfs of other characters as opposed to just asking for buffs of their character(s). I guess it's human nature; crab-in-a-barrel mentality I suppose.

If that's your take take on the game to request nerfs, fine, but don't deny that's what you're doing.

The amount of buffs it would take to bring everyone up to black Adams level would be pretty ridiculous. I'm all for buffing over nerfing in most cases but it's pretty obvious that the top 3 in this game desperately needs to be nerfed if we want to see this game prosper and be entertaining to watch

 

[alkipot]

Lol at these "no nerfs, only buffs!" kids. You'd make the most boring ass game and bankrupt a company with that archaic way of thinking you have. These are not arcade times where you were stuck with whatever the cabinet had. Nerfs/buffs will happen, period. NRS has plenty of data on their end to make decisions for changes.

And a giant LOL to that one thunder guy who swears Black Adam/ all top 5 are perfect as is. Never design games.

Buff Cheetah!

 

[dansel]

No, I am legit worried about this as well as losing our d1.

scarecrow is no toptier character. if he looses his +frames nad the d1, the character goes right to the bottom.

 

[alkipot]

People have no concept of time saving.

A company would more likely tone down 5 or so characters than buff 20 characters to top 5 status.

 

[Thundergodd]

So you want adams damage to stay ?

Why not? Superman, Catwoman, Darkseid and Batman (yeah Batman) have impressive damage as well. Should we nerf them too? I like fighting against these guys; it's a nice challenge. But that's just me.

People wanna nerf characters but no one talks about fixing their deficiencies. That's not "balancing" a character; it's just nerf nerf nerf....

I think NRS did a great job with this game (just look at the sales). I'd rather just play play play.

 

[esc1]

Cyborg needs a wakekup.. Bane up.

 

[navaroNe]

Why not? Superman, Catwoman, Darkseid and Batman (yeah Batman) have impressive damage as well. Should we nerf them too? I like fighting against these guys; it's a nice challenge. But that's just me.

People wanna nerf characters but no one talks about fixing their deficiencies. That's not "balancing" a character; it's just nerf nerf nerf....

I think NRS did a great job with this game (just look at the sales). I'd rather just play play play.

It's not black Adams damage that's really the problem, it's how easy it is for him to get said damage . Dude gets 50 percent or more combos from basically any conversion whether it be a d1, d2, f12, mb divekick, etc, not to mention low lightning which does as much as a dr.fate Bnb combo by itself lol. His scaling is pretty clearly broken and needs adjusting first and foremost. His mb dive kick being plus 10 and his ridiculous plus frames from trait need looking at as well imo but the damage scaling would probably be enough to bring him down to a respectable level while still maintaining his viability if they do it right .

 

[KH_Seraph]

Dear God I hope Captain Cold gets the Bane treatment because lord knows he needs it.

 

[The chosen puddle]

Why not? Superman, Catwoman, Darkseid and Batman (yeah Batman) have impressive damage as well. Should we nerf them too? I like fighting against these guys; it's a nice challenge. But that's just me.

People wanna nerf characters but no one talks about fixing their deficiencies. That's not "balancing" a character; it's just nerf nerf nerf....

I think NRS did a great job with this game (just look at the sales). I'd rather just play play play.

Holy shit lmao Yea im done here enjoy the thread

 

[Thundergodd]

I play them in tournaments with money on the line, I'd say that qualifies as me having a stake in how good they are. And I still say all three of them are too strong.

Wait, wait---

By this line of reasoning, anybody who signs up for tournaments qualifies more than anyone who doesn't? Are you for real?? Do I really have o break down how wrong this statement is??

Also every top player will tell you Adam is the best character in the game.

Really? You're SURE about that?

Sonic just recently put Aquaman as number one. You have quotes from the top 8 to verify your claim?

You are just biased and trying not to get your character nerfed.

Then I guess you haven't been paying attention to my posts. I'm against ANY CHARACTER getting a nerf. I used to think that way and whine about nerfing someone (Deadshot) and freely admit I was wrong thinking that way. Go ahead, re-read my posts then get back to me.....

Nerfing him is definitely the answer

Yeeaahhh, because he's just cannot be beat. A good player using , say, Batman, just can't beat a mediocre player using Adam. Oh, wait.....

 

[alkipot]

Why not? Superman, Catwoman, Darkseid and Batman (yeah Batman) have impressive damage as well. Should we nerf them too? I like fighting against these guys; it's a nice challenge. But that's just me.

People wanna nerf characters but no one talks about fixing their deficiencies. That's not "balancing" a character; it's just nerf nerf nerf....

I think NRS did a great job with this game (just look at the sales). I'd rather just play play play.

Ah, so you're one of those guys who wants the guy who has to put 100% effort to be able to compete to be equal with the guy who puts 60%?

 

[Thundergodd]

The amount of buffs it would take to bring everyone up to black Adams level would be pretty ridiculous. I'm all for buffing over nerfing in most cases but it's pretty obvious that the top 3 in this game desperately needs to be nerfed if we want to see this game prosper and be entertaining to watch

Do you really believe that? Honest question.

Sales of this game is STILL going strong to this day. I doubt that would change if they didn't touch these characters.

 

[Thundergodd]

Ah, so you're one of those guys who wants the guy who has to put 100% effort to be able to compete to be equal with the guy who puts 60%?

You're assuming everyone is equal in skill; that's FAR from the truth. You're playing against people, NOT the character Per Se. Just look at Whiteboi and Scarecrow. I highly doubt anyone puts Scarecrow in anywhere near top 5, and yet look what happened.

 

[navaroNe]

Do you really believe that? Honestly question.

Sales of this game is STILL going strong to this day. I doubt that would change if they didn't touch these characters.

Yes I really do believe that the amount of time, effort, and buffs that it would require to bring like 90 percent of the cast up to black Adams level would be far better spent on adjusting Adam and then going from there. Believe me, a game where everyone has plus 26 cancels, near full screen dive kicks that are plus 10 on mb, and shits out 50 percent damage like it's nothing is not a game that you, I, or most of the casual or competitive scene would enjoy.

 

[Thundergodd]

Yes I really do believe that the amount of time, effort, and buffs that it would require to bring like 90 percent of the cast up to black Adams level would be far better spent on adjusting Adam and then going from there. Believe me, a game where everyone has plus 26 cancels, near full screen dive kicks that are plus 10 on mb, and shits out 50 percent damage like it's nothing is not a game that you, I, or most of the casual or competitive scene would enjoy.

See, I have to respectfully disagree here.

The game has been out for a little while now, most players tend to know the strength and weakness of the characters and YET it's still selling out of stores to this day with no signs of slowing down. I honestly don't see this changing anytime soon.

I have another simple but honest question......

I see people here are whining about characters like Adam, Aquaman, etc. getting nerfed, but have the top players such as Sonic, Whiteboi, etc. gone on record asking for nerfs of these characters as well?

If they have, I'd be very interested in reading this.

 

[Cobainevermind87]

See, I have to respectfully disagree here.

The game has been out for a little while now, most players tend to know the strength and weakness of the characters and YET it's still selling out of stores to this day with no signs of slowing down. I honestly don't see this changing anytime soon.

I have another simple but honest question......

I see people here are whining about characters like Adam, Aquaman, etc. getting nerfed, but have the top players such as Sonic, Whiteboi, etc. gone on record asking for nerfs of these characters as well?

If they have, I'd be very interested in reading this.

Dude I want some of what you're smoking. I'm confused as to why you think sales have ANYTHING to do with the balance of a fighting game. This is the natural cycle of a fighting game bro. There will be multiple balance patches throughout its lifespan. NRS isn't combing the forums to see who we want buffed/nerfed, they already know what needs to be done and will do so with each balance patch.

 

[chores]

It's not black Adams damage that's really the problem, it's how easy it is for him to get said damage . Dude gets 50 percent or more combos from basically any conversion whether it be a d1, d2, f12, mb divekick, etc, not to mention low lightning which does as much as a dr.fate Bnb combo by itself lol. His scaling is pretty clearly broken and needs adjusting first and foremost. His mb dive kick being plus 10 and his ridiculous plus frames from trait need looking at as well imo but the damage scaling would probably be enough to bring him down to a respectable level while still maintaining his viability if they do it right .

spend 1 bar on ex divekick

if it lands you get a 50% combo

if they block it you get a free turn

best value for 1 bar in the game lol just like season 1 cammy's EX divekick that had its frame advantage dropped dramatically

 

[alkipot]

See, I have to respectfully disagree here.

The game has been out for a little while now, most players tend to know the strength and weakness of the characters and YET it's still selling out of stores to this day with no signs of slowing down. I honestly don't see this changing anytime soon.

I have another simple but honest question......

I see people here are whining about characters like Adam, Aquaman, etc. getting nerfed, but have the top players such as Sonic, Whiteboi, etc. gone on record asking for nerfs of these characters as well?

If they have, I'd be very interested in reading this.

... is this your first time playing a fighting game by chance? Nothing wrong with that, your answers just have me curious...

 

[Thundergodd]

Dude I want some of what you're smoking. I'm confused as to why you think sales have ANYTHING to do with the balance of a fighting game. This is the natural cycle of a fighting game bro. There will be multiple balance patches throughout its lifespan. NRS isn't combing the forums to see who we want buffed/nerfed, they already know what needs to be done and will do so with each balance patch.

Sooooo, if NRS isn't combing the forums to see who we want buffed/nerfed, they already know what needs to be done, why wasn't it done in the first place if they already knew???

And I still would like an answer to this question, not just from you but ANYBODY here.....
have the top players such as Sonic, Whiteboi, etc. gone on record asking for nerfs of these characters as well?

If they have, I'd be very interested in reading this.

 

[Mr. Freeze]

A few nerfs to the top tiers I would like to see:

Black Adam
-A little more damage scaling on combos
-A little less advantage off of trait cancels (so you can actually check him with d1s)
- EX divekick is never +10. I don't care if its safe since you have to spend the bar but it being plus is dumb.

Aquaman
-Make b123 -5 or so. Makes it safe but not plus enough to practically guarantee extra pressure.
-Slightly reduced chip and meter build on trident rush.
- Don't know if this is possible but stop tentacles from tracking MB rolls. Everytime I catch someone rolling I feel bad. It defeats the purpose of the roll.

Atrocitus
- Increase recovery (slightly) on trait shots and shields. Encourages smarter use of trait and also gets rid of some of the more ridiculous corner combos.

Catwoman
- Add a worse hurtbox to B3. It low profiling during the attack is fine, but low profiling as soon as the animation starts and way after it ends is too much.
-Increase the damage scaling on some of her moves, specifically trait.

Supes
- Increase damage scaling on some of his moves (get rid of his 50% combos)
-Get rid of some of the divebomb setups, especially the ones that cause no scaling. He doesn't need that.

Batman
- Can't combo off of batarangs fullscreen
-Starts without bats, bats recharge slower.
- Little more damage scaling on some of his moves.

I think those would be a good starting point to bringing them down to everyone else's level.

I think these are very fair.