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xKhaoTik

xKhaoTik

The Ignore Button Is Free
With the highly, HIGHLY anticipated patch already here for XBOX, and coming next week for PS4 after ELeague (Which is this weekend. Be sure to watch!), I'm sure everyone is eager to know who will receive blessings and who will get the bat. Now we aren't sure who is getting what yet but I think it's safe to say that we have thoughts on the matter, specifically who will get the "Bane Treatment" and the "Scorpion Treatment".



For those who are confused as to what those terms mean:

Bane Treatment [bān ˈtrētmənt]: the manner in which someone is given INCREDIBLE buffs, thus boosting them from arguably lowest tier to god tier in one patch.
Examples: Bane IGAU, Shinnok MKX


Scorpion Treatment [ˈskôrpēən ˈtrētmənt]: the manner in which someone is given INCREDIBLE nerfs, thus dropping them from god tier to lowest tier in one patch.
Examples: Scorpion IGAU, Tanya MKX (at one point)


Other types of balances:

Reasonable Buffs: the manner in which a character receives buffs, but they aren't too significant or it's buffs that the character needs but don't take them to OMG levels. May move up a couple spots in tiers
Examples: Catwoman IGAU, Kitana MKX (before the last patch)

Reasonable Nerfs: the manner in which a character receives nerfs, but they aren't too significant or it's nerfs that the character needs but don't take them to trash levels. May move down a couple spots in tiers.
Examples: Rain MK9, Batman IGAU, Mileena MKX

Unreasonable Buffs: the manner in which a character recieves buffs, but the character was already good and/or the buff just doesn't make any sense and doesn't need it. May move up a couple spots in tiers.
Examples: MMH IGAU, Kitana MKX (last patch)

Unreasonable Nerfs: the manner in which a character receives Nerfs, but the character was already bad and/or the nerf doesn't make any sense and doesn't need it. May move down a couple spots in tiers.
Examples: Harley IGAU, Jax MKX (last patch)


There may be more types of balances but I'm too lazy now lol. Feel free to add them or discuss what's being talked about now









I am ready for the salt this thread will produce
 
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x TeeJay o

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
Unreasonable Buffs: Supergirl

-I mean she needs a few tweaks, but my god I think people are going to get her mega buffed lol.

Scorpion Treatment: Deadshot

- Poor guy. All he needs is his up close toned down, but for some reason I feel like he's going to get absolutely shit on lol.

Reasonable Nerfs: Aquaman,Black Adam

- These 2 are just ridiculous. I don't think they should be rammed into the ground, so I think they will be normalized and not destroyed.


Unreasonable Nerfs: Batman,Atrocitus

- I personally believe these 2 should only be slightly touched through trait re adjustments. But somehow I feel like they'll get something that's just completely uncessary. Doesn't help that my boy @TheGangstaFace always gets his characters nerfed so rip Batman lol
 
DC4-3

DC4-3

Low tier button masher.
Bane treatment: Captain Cold

Scorpion treatment: Black Adam/Atrocitus

Reasonable buffs: Brainiac/Swamp thing/Grodd/Firestorm

Reasonable nerfs: Aquaman/Batman

Unreasonable buffs: Cheetah/Supergirl

Unreasonable nerfs: Deadshot/Scarecrow
 
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Lokheit

Lokheit

Noob
Where is the "fix hitboxes or bugs so the character can be played at its full potential" category? I guess I2 Scarecrow already counts since his wakeup invincibility was fixed?

Anyway I mention it because right now Ivy's B2D2 hitbox is a mess and juggling from Datura launcher at certain ranges won't connect unless you delay to almost impossible to connect frames against many characters, when you can clearly see that she has half an arm and also the carnivorous plant inside what should be considered the opponent's hitbox and she still misses (I'm thinking about making a video for visual proof).

I mention it because fixing it would enable her neutral game. Right now she's limited to using B2 (a very good neutral tool) as a check with not much reward, because she can't really rely on it as a combo starter (and her F2 is a 15 frames High so nope). I think Ivy can't be fully evalued until she can play with a fixed B2D2.
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Bane treatment: Grodd, Brainiac and probably Wonder Woman.

Most Wonder Woman players act like she is horrible, which she isn't at all. She just needs a buff or two and she will be 100% good to go IMO but oh well, I can see her getting overbuffed.
Grodd and Brainiac are both legit very bad but I can see them becoming super strong with a few tweaks.

Scorpion treatment: Black Adam and probably Catwoman

I don't think Deadshot will get this hit IMO unless NRS listens to casuals only, however, Black Adam isn't just gonna get his damage fixed and he will probably get the most nerfs.
I thought Catwoman would get reasonable nerfs but right now people are crying way too hard about her and I don't really know anymore, she's definitely in danger.

Reasonable buffs: Firestorm, Captain Cold and Joker.

I think Firestorm might get and AA and call it a day and Joker will get small changes.

Reasonable nerfs: Atrocitus, Aquaman and Batman
Atrocitus and Batman will probably get trait nerfs only, Aquaman might just lose his plus frames off B123.

Unreasonable buffs: Supergirl and Robin.

Both are definitely lacking but I can see both of those 2 becoming extremely good with 1 or 2 changes. That + their communities are very loud about their characters.
The only reason these 2 didn't make it in the "Bane treatment" group is because they aren't bottom tier at all.

Unreasonable nerfs: Scarecrow

I think he is fine the way he is, howeverr, he might get NERF actually instead of getting buffs like most people thought he would weeks ago... Which is funny.
 
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bishbash

bishbash

Magic as easy as 1 2 standing3
Cheetah seems pretty balanced to me, I'd like a little more range on her b1 and for her jump attacks to jail, oh and 112 to connect with command grab outside of a juggle so she could get some damage from punishing without having to spend two bars.

I'd go on but I don't want it to be like that time somebody was asking for an overhead d1 on killer frost

I'd be happy if she went untouched though as I think she's going to have an easier time anyways just by virtue of some of the others getting toned down
 
DubiousShenron

DubiousShenron

Beware my power.
I suspect they will leave Doctor Fate the same for now. Hoping they will take a good look at b2 anti air and realize it needs a better hitbox and speed for it to be dirty, but that's all I want.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
A few nerfs to the top tiers I would like to see:

Black Adam
-A little more damage scaling on combos
-A little less advantage off of trait cancels (so you can actually check him with d1s)
- EX divekick is never +10. I don't care if its safe since you have to spend the bar but it being plus is dumb.

Aquaman
-Make b123 -5 or so. Makes it safe but not plus enough to practically guarantee extra pressure.
-Slightly reduced chip and meter build on trident rush.
- Don't know if this is possible but stop tentacles from tracking MB rolls. Everytime I catch someone rolling I feel bad. It defeats the purpose of the roll.

Atrocitus
- Increase recovery (slightly) on trait shots and shields. Encourages smarter use of trait and also gets rid of some of the more ridiculous corner combos.

Catwoman
- Add a worse hurtbox to B3. It low profiling during the attack is fine, but low profiling as soon as the animation starts and way after it ends is too much.
-Increase the damage scaling on some of her moves, specifically trait.

Supes
- Increase damage scaling on some of his moves (get rid of his 50% combos)
-Get rid of some of the divebomb setups, especially the ones that cause no scaling. He doesn't need that.

Batman
- Can't combo off of batarangs fullscreen
-Starts without bats, bats recharge slower.
- Little more damage scaling on some of his moves.

I think those would be a good starting point to bringing them down to everyone else's level.
 
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Rathalos

Rathalos

Play Monster Hunter!
My unreasonable opinion is I want them to not touch the game in any real capacity until the GOTY edition comes out.

Just out of pure curiosity of how they change things with that much time, and to see how the community reacts to the long of a period of letting the game rock.

As for actually predicting who gets what?
IDK, it's hard to say.

Reasonable nerfs.
Joker (I know, but it's Joker, and dude can't catch a break)
Catwoman
Atrocitus

Reasonable buffs
Firestorm
Captain Cold
Green Arrow
Fate
Flash

Unreasonable nerfs
Scarecrow
Sub-Zero
Black Adam

Unreasonable buffs
Grodd
Bane
Swamp Thing
Robin
Supergirl
Wonder Woman

Stay the same for reasons
Batman
Superman
Aquaman


NRS forgot about them
Brainiac
Blue Beetle
Cyborg
Cheetah

Others IDK.

I'm pulling all of this out my ass, and just randomly guessing based on past weird NRS changes.
 
DarksydeDash

DarksydeDash

You know me as RisingShieldBro online.
Bane treatment: Captain Cold, Cyborg, Swampthing, Brainiac, Firestorm

Scorpion treatment: Black Adam, Dead shot, and Aquaman

Reasonable buffs: Supergirl, Blue Beetle, Ivy, Grodd, Robin, Dr. Fate, Bane, Wonder Woman, and Joker

Reasonable nerfs: Atrocitus, Darkseid, Batman, Superman, Catwoman

Unreasonable buffs: Cheetah, Green Lantern, Black Canary, Flash, Green Arrow,

Unreasonable nerfs: Red Hood, Scarecrow, Harley Quinn
 
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xInfra Deadx

xInfra Deadx

Gimmick stolen by Jordan Peele
Bane treatment: Captain Cold, Swamp Thing, Black Canary

Scorpion Treatment: Cheetah, Black Adam, Catwoman

Reasonable Buffs: Supergirl, Gorilla Grodd, Firestorm, Ivy

Reasonable nerfs: Aquaman, Darkseid, Atrocitus

Unreasonable buffs: Wonder Woman, Dr. Fate, Brainiac, Flash (braindead all over again), Red Hood, Superman, Batman, Robin

Unreasonable nerfs: Cyborg, Bane, Green Arrow, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow
 
seveergg

seveergg

The Elegant Swagger Beast
Idk if this is going to happen but honestly this is what id love to see happen

BT: Swamp thing, bane honestly, grodd/joker (just give them ONE fucking ONE solid mid string lol...thats it. Then shut the fuck uo and buff batman afterwards if you want idgaf)

ST: Aquaman, Bladam, batman, the pussy (just dont make her low profile low moves or d1s? Lol wtf...nrs youve got real issues in your devolpement team for chracter design and playstyle)

Honorable mention: Deadshot, i mean idk hes good but is he really that good or do people just not know how to get in and/or block his low overhead?

RB: Scarecrow, canary, captain cold, grodd, brainiac

RN: supergirl, darkseid, deadshot, catwoman, harley quinn

Unreasonable shit shouldnt even be happening in a game thats making the developers millys. Dont give nrs a reason to even think its okay to unreasonably nerf or buff a character. They know what the fuck theyre doing, and if they dont then they need to bring their happy asses on here and STUDY what their community wants. Nrs and fgc please god dont become like the league of legends community for gods sake.
 
RevetLeafing

RevetLeafing

Tanya, Tanqui, and Kaprisun Specialist
bishbash said:
Cheetah seems pretty balanced to me, I'd like a little more range on her b1 and for her jump attacks to jail, oh and 112 to connect with command grab outside of a juggle so she could get some damage from punishing without having to spend two bars.

I'd go on but I don't want it to be like that time somebody was asking for an overhead d1 on killer frost

I'd be happy if she went untouched though as I think she's going to have an easier time anyways just by virtue of some of the others getting toned down
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Cheetah would be broken!!!
 
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