PATCH TIME BOYZ!...2.0

[chores]

I think these are very fair.

i agree with most of this but maybe have batman start with 1 bat instead of 0 and i wouldnt change atrocitus at all.

 

[Thundergodd]

... is this your first time playing a fighting game by chance? Nothing wrong with that, your answers just have me curious...

Yeah. I have another post her on the forum where I introduced myself and stated I'm new to the FCG. I normally play Marvel Heroes on my Mac and have played WoW back in the day.

Most people here have been very helpful and nice to me, giving me advice such as @Espio, @Clark L. and @Juggs, just to name a few.

My personal take on life in general is not to whine about things I don't like but to do something about it. That's why I highly videos of, say, Sonic fox using Joker to whup @$$ or Whiteboy taking Scarecrow and showing how it's done. They see the strengths of so-called lower-tier characters and show us how to use them to their fullest potential.

@Juggs showed me an article here on this website that was made in 2011 and is still germane to this day.

I'm not looking to to nerf anyone's character, be it Deadshot, Superman, Catwoman, etc. I'd just rather play the hand I'm dealt and have a good time doing so.

 

[The chosen puddle]

Sooooo, if NRS isn't combing the forums to see who we want buffed/nerfed, they already know what needs to be done, why wasn't it done in the first place if they already knew???

And I still would like an answer to this question, not just from you but ANYBODY here.....
have the top players such as Sonic, Whiteboi, etc. gone on record asking for nerfs of these characters as well?

If they have, I'd be very interested in reading this.

Dude get over it the patch is coming jesus fuck man. NRS haven't done it yet because every comp player has learned there character and have been preparing for every event since the game came out. yes some of these characters are fucked but NRS is not gonna slap the comp players in the face by releasing a patch before EVO are you kidding me ? Who knows maybe they will but as of now changes will be after one of the biggest if not THE biggest fighting game tourney around.

 

[Thundergodd]

Dude get over it the patch is coming jesus fuck man.

You have confirmation on this? You know when it's happening? You know who's gonna be nerfed?

I'd be interested in hearing your inside info to these questions.

And once again, if you or anyone can answer this question, It would be greatly appreciated....

Have the top players such as Sonic, Whiteboi, etc. gone on record asking for nerfs of these characters as well?

 

[Mr. Freeze]

I don't think Aquaman's tentacle strike should track the opponent. It doesn't make any sense for Firestorm to have close medium and far variants of his molten trap when Aquaman doesn't need to worry about that. I think that's more than fair but I doubt they'll do that considering that never happened in the first game

Very fair

 

[The chosen puddle]

You have confirmation on this? You know when it's happening? You know who's gonna be nerfed?

I'd be interested in hearing your inside info to these questions.

And once again, if you or anyone can answer this question, It would be greatly appreciated....

Have the top players such as Sonic, Whiteboi, etc. gone on record asking for nerfs of these characters as well?

WHY DO THE TOP PLAYERS MATTER? if that was the fucking case they would just break there fucking characters and win everything. Do you even understand that ? The player base TOGETHER matters casual and competitive if anything casuals get there voice across more the first couple patches.
You have to be drinking bleach to think a patch is not coming for this game

 

[Cobainevermind87]

Sooooo, if NRS isn't combing the forums to see who we want buffed/nerfed, they already know what needs to be done, why wasn't it done in the first place if they already knew???

And I still would like an answer to this question, not just from you but ANYBODY here.....
have the top players such as Sonic, Whiteboi, etc. gone on record asking for nerfs of these characters as well?

If they have, I'd be very interested in reading this.

NRS has a track record for releasing games with balance issues from the get go. IJ1 had pre-patch Superman who was even stronger than Black Adam is in IJ2. They also have a hard time balancing DLC characters at their release. Scorp from IJ1 was insane pre-patch, kinda like acidic alien was in MKX. Whether they rush, or just don't test thoroughly (probably a combination of both), it happens with pretty much every release.

 

[Thundergodd]

WHY DO THE TOP PLAYERS MATTER?

Because I wanna learn from the best. It's not just their skill but their philosophy and attitude toward the game. I 'd like to know if they also whine about characters getting nerfed or do they learn the strengths of so-called lower-tier characters and still win? There's a reason why they're the best....

Soooo, is there an answer to that question?

Also, I was told growing up that cursing/swearing in a conversation show a limited command of language.

Just saying.....

 

[Thundergodd]

NRS has a track record for releasing games with balance issues from the get go. IJ1 had pre-patch Superman who was even stronger than Black Adam is in IJ2. They also have a hard time balancing DLC characters at their release. Scorp from IJ1 was insane pre-patch, kinda like acidic alien was in MKX. Whether they rush, or just don't test thoroughly (probably a combination of both), it happens with pretty much every release.

Ahhh, very interesting. That was informative. Thank you.

So if Superman was even stronger than Adam in IJ1, how was he after the patch?

 

[The chosen puddle]

Because I wanna learn from the best. It's not just their skill but their philosophy and attitude toward the game. I 'd like to know if they also whine about characters getting nerfed or do they learn the strengths of so-called lower-tier characters and still win? There's a reason why they're the best....

Soooo, is there an answer to that question?

Also, I was told growing up that cursing/swearing in a conversation show a limited command of language.

Just saying.....

Where I come from we are all idiots and I use FUCK for periods FUCK

 

[Cobainevermind87]

Ahhh, very interesting. That was informative. Thank you.

So if Superman was even stronger than Adam in IJ1, how was he after the patch?

That was 2013, my memory isn't so great but I believe he was still very strong after the patch. I want to say top 5, pretty close to how he is in IJ2.

 

[Vengeance135]

You have confirmation on this? You know when it's happening? You know who's gonna be nerfed?

I'd be interested in hearing your inside info to these questions.

And once again, if you or anyone can answer this question, It would be greatly appreciated....

Have the top players such as Sonic, Whiteboi, etc. gone on record asking for nerfs of these characters as well?

Just curious, you don't think that characters like Joker, cold or swamp thing need buffs? Before you say anything about sonic fox, know forever king stated on a public forum he didn't know the Joker MU AND sonic fox used joker vs semij Catwoman during war of the gods and lost 3-1 once semij figured joker out. There's a reason why sonic fox won't actually use joker consistently in a real tournament. Jokers not strong.

I understand the "hey we shouldn't touch the game and let the meta evolve etc." But what about the weak characters and the people that show loyalty to them that clearly show how badly they struggle? Should they continuously struggle? Or should people just adapt and pick up a top tier character and say acrew my old character, he's garbage let me just use a character that will get me wins.

The point of patches is not just to nerf high tiers, it's to buff low tier characters that clearly struggle in the game period due to lack of everything and give them a fighting chance.

Should those characters continuously be ignored? Characters like joker and cold and swamp thing and blue beetle require a lot of time, patience and work to win. One wrong move vs black Adam, aquaman, superman or other top tiers and there goes their health bar. While they have to work extremely hard just to get 1 hit... ONE HIT... and even then that hit doesn't guarantee much.

Now I'm all for learning MU's but when your character clearly struggles in everything and can be exploited off anything the challenge goes from fun to wtf.

My best advice to you since it's your first fighting game is to try and pick up a low tier character and see the difference. You don't know what a struggle truly is until you have.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Where I come from we are all idiots and I use FUCK for periods FUCK

Just stop, he has a Black Adam avatar, there's no point in reasoning with him.

 

[The chosen puddle]

Just curious, you don't think that characters like Joker, cold or swamp thing need buffs? Before you say anything about sonic fox, know forever king stated on a public forum he didn't know the Joker MU AND sonic fox used joker vs semij Catwoman during war of the gods and lost 3-1 once semij figured joker out. There's a reason why sonic fox won't actually use joker consistently in a real tournament. Jokers not strong.

I understand the "hey we shouldn't touch the game and let the meta evolve etc." But what about the weak characters and the people that show loyalty to them that clearly show how badly they struggle? Should they continuously struggle? Or should people just adapt and pick up a top tier character and say acrew my old character, he's garbage let me just use a character that will get me wins.

The point of patches is not just to nerf high tiers, it's to buff low tier characters that clearly struggle in the game period due to lack of everything and give them a fighting chance.

Should those characters continuously be ignored? Characters like joker and cold and swamp thing and blue beetle require a lot of time, patience and work to win. One wrong move vs black Adam, aquaman, superman or other top tiers and there goes their health bar. While they have to work extremely hard just to get 1 hit... ONE HIT... and even then that hit doesn't guarantee much.

Now I'm all for learning MU's but when your character clearly struggles in everything and can be exploited off anything the challenge goes from fun to wtf.

My best advice to you since it's your first fighting game is to try and pick up a low tier character and see the difference. You don't know what a struggle truly is until you have.

FUCKING THANK YOU

 

[The chosen puddle]

Just stop, he has a Black Adam avatar, there's no point in reasoning with him.

yea I figured that out after I started to bleed from my eyes.

 

[Thundergodd]

Where I come from we are all idiots and I use FUCK for periods FUCK

Good for you. I'm sure you win many debates this way.

Anyway, is there an answer to my question?

 

[Thundergodd]

That was 2013, my memory isn't so great but I believe he was still very strong after the patch. I want to say top 5, pretty close to how he is in IJ2.

Interesting. Thank you for sharing your knowledge about the game with me.

 

[Cobainevermind87]

Good for you. I'm sure you win many debates this way.

Anyway, is there an answer to my question?

You'll never find it. As Vengeance pointed out, top players like fox only use the best characters in serious tournaments with money on the line. I believe Sonic is maining BA, he would never call for nerfs. He did give his top 5 best characters in the game, saw it floating around here on TYM I think.

 

[The chosen puddle]

Good for you. I'm sure you win many debates this way.

Anyway, is there an answer to my question?

Vengeance answered it above my good sir adios

 

[Vengeance135]

I am ready for the salt this thread will produce

You called it, who would've thought the salt thrown would be from a black Adam player...

 

[xKhaoTik]

You called it, who would've thought the salt thrown would be from a black Adam player...

I knew it was coming one way or another lol. Let them have their fun lol we all know what's gonna happen eventually.

 

[SonicNinja3532]

A few nerfs to the top tiers I would like to see:

Black Adam
-A little more damage scaling on combos
-A little less advantage off of trait cancels (so you can actually check him with d1s)
- EX divekick is never +10. I don't care if its safe since you have to spend the bar but it being plus is dumb.

Aquaman
-Make b123 -5 or so. Makes it safe but not plus enough to practically guarantee extra pressure.
-Slightly reduced chip and meter build on trident rush.
- Don't know if this is possible but stop tentacles from tracking MB rolls. Everytime I catch someone rolling I feel bad. It defeats the purpose of the roll.

Atrocitus
- Increase recovery (slightly) on trait shots and shields. Encourages smarter use of trait and also gets rid of some of the more ridiculous corner combos.

Catwoman
- Add a worse hurtbox to B3. It low profiling during the attack is fine, but low profiling as soon as the animation starts and way after it ends is too much.
-Increase the damage scaling on some of her moves, specifically trait.

Supes
- Increase damage scaling on some of his moves (get rid of his 50% combos)
-Get rid of some of the divebomb setups, especially the ones that cause no scaling. He doesn't need that.

Batman
- Can't combo off of batarangs fullscreen
-Starts without bats, bats recharge slower.
- Little more damage scaling on some of his moves.

I think those would be a good starting point to bringing them down to everyone else's level.

Most reasonable changes ive ever seen.

 

[Thundergodd]

Just curious, you don't think that characters like Joker, cold or swamp thing need buffs? Before you say anything about sonic fox, know forever king stated on a public forum he didn't know the Joker MU AND sonic fox used joker vs semij Catwoman during war of the gods and lost 3-1 once semij figured joker out. There's a reason why sonic fox won't actually use joker consistently in a real tournament. Jokers not strong.

Fair assessment, really. That being said, I honestly don't think that the so-called lower-tier characters are so far below that people need to scream "nerf" for higher characters. I honestly think that is Sonic decided to make Joker his main and practiced with him non-stop, he be damn near invincible. It's not like when he lost with Joker that he got totally dominated. And I've seen Swamp Thing mains beat the living crap out of Black Adam players.

And let's be real here, Sonic Fox using Joker would probably beat that crap out of most people who play the game.

I'm not denying that some characters are better than others. But your not playing the game Per Se, you're playing the player.

My best advice to you since it's your first fighting game is to try and pick up a low tier character and see the difference. You don't know what a struggle truly is until you have.

I have. Wonder Woman is considered so-called mid-tier at best, yet I've been having a blast with her. Hell, I doubt most people with high-tier characters like Adam, Supers or Aquaman can deal with Akromaniac's Wonder Woman, despite her being a lower tier character.

Nice conversation by the way. Appreciate your insight on things.

 

[villainous monk]

Bane treatment: Competitive modes. Like more. Dedicated modes not made for gear stats. More would be nice. Like I'm impatiently getting triggered. Let it mirror all the other modes or whatever. Just more competitive modes is badly needed.

Fixing: B1 wiffing issues on darksied. Also wiffing issues on the df2 during juggles as well as swooping trait.

Unreasonable buffs:

15 frame startup on Atrocitus bf2. Down from 17. This might be too much tho. It's already good maybe a slight increase on length would work like equally half of his mb bf2. Remains a high.

Nerfs: Can't think of any. I actually don't give a shit.

Just more competitive modes.

 

[Thundergodd]

You'll never find it. As Vengeance pointed out, top players like fox only use the best characters in serious tournaments with money on the line. I believe Sonic is maining BA, he would never call for nerfs. He did give his top 5 best characters in the game, saw it floating around here on TYM I think.

That's not quite true. We've seen Sonic use other characters that weren't considered top-tier like Joker and Darkseid. No one thought Darkseid was any good until he started using him. No one thought Scarecrow was viable until Whiteboi won with him. These guys don't always use the so-called top tier, yet they still win regardless.

I admire that.