MadPropz101
"I still got it...but not much of it"
lol noScarecrow: Fear-Ferno MB is now 0 on block (down from +6)
I can already picture something like this happening. Yeah I'm a pessimist.
lol noScarecrow: Fear-Ferno MB is now 0 on block (down from +6)
I can already picture something like this happening. Yeah I'm a pessimist.
Just because someone like swamp thing beats someone like black Adam doesn't mean the character isn't bad/good. It just shows the player got outplayed. Swamp thing is bad and Black Adam is good. Period.And I've seen Swamp Thing mains beat the living crap out of Black Adam players.
No. Darkseid was already in the top 5 discussion. Sonic just made it more believable.No one thought Darkseid was any good until he started using him
Serious question, is this your first fighting game?Fair assessment, really. That being said, I honestly don't think that the so-called lower-tier characters are so far below that people need to scream "nerf" for higher characters. I honestly think that is Sonic decided to make Joker his main and practiced with him non-stop, he be damn near invincible. It's not like when he lost with Joker that he got totally dominated. And I've seen Swamp Thing mains beat the living crap out of Black Adam players.
And let's be real here, Sonic Fox using Joker would probably beat that crap out of most people who play the game.
I'm not denying that some characters are better than others. But your not playing the game Per Se, you're playing the player.
I have. Wonder Woman is considered so-called mid-tier at best, yet I've been having a blast with her. Hell, I doubt most people with high-tier characters like Adam, Supers or Aquaman can deal with Akromaniac's Wonder Woman, despite her being a lower tier character.
Nice conversation by the way. Appreciate your insight on things.
Fair assessment, really. That being said, I honestly don't think that the so-called lower-tier characters are so far below that people need to scream "nerf" for higher characters. I honestly think that is Sonic decided to make Joker his main and practiced with him non-stop, he be damn near invincible. It's not like when he lost with Joker that he got totally dominated. And I've seen Swamp Thing mains beat the living crap out of Black Adam players.
And let's be real here, Sonic Fox using Joker would probably beat that crap out of most people who play the game.
I'm not denying that some characters are better than others. But your not playing the game Per Se, you're playing the player.
I have. Wonder Woman is considered so-called mid-tier at best, yet I've been having a blast with her. Hell, I doubt most people with high-tier characters like Adam, Supers or Aquaman can deal with Akromaniac's Wonder Woman, despite her being a lower tier character.
Nice conversation by the way. Appreciate your insight on things.
Darkseid was top tier from day one. Joker, yes he's used him. Hell I think he used every MKX character at one point. But you won't see him using him in big tourneys when his tournament life is on the line. Wasn't playing Joker against Slayer at CEO. And you sure won't see Joker with his tourney life on the line at evo. Just about every relevant Ermac player from MKX loves scarecrow. BxA Ragnarok, Big D, Beyond Toxin, etc. They wouldn't be wasting their time on a character they didn't feel was strong.That's not quite true. We've seen Sonic use other characters that weren't considered top-tier like Joker and Darkseid. No one thought Darkseid was any good until he started using him. No one thought Scarecrow was viable until Whiteboi won with him. These guys don't always use the so-called top tier, yet they still win regardless.
I admire that.
But see, here's where your wrong. You are commenting on joker as if you know how to use him, let alone the MU. I comment on top tier characters because I use the Joker and I play against them all the time verse my friends and randoms. Sonic fox loves using joker. He stated it multiple times. The problem with joker is, he isn't viable. Any joker player, much like any character in the game, can obliterate you easily if you don't know the MU. Sonic fox is by all means a great player but even he knows that joker is not strong enough to be considered as tournament material, otherwise, he would use him. If the joker won a legit tournament, it's because nobody knew the mu. Why do you think joker has never seen a top 8 at a major at all?Fair assessment, really. That being said, I honestly don't think that the so-called lower-tier characters are so far below that people need to scream "nerf" for higher characters. I honestly think that is Sonic decided to make Joker his main and practiced with him non-stop, he be damn near invincible. It's not like when he lost with Joker that he got totally dominated. And I've seen Swamp Thing mains beat the living crap out of Black Adam players.
And let's be real here, Sonic Fox using Joker would probably beat that crap out of most people who play the game.
I'm not denying that some characters are better than others. But your not playing the game Per Se, you're playing the player.
I have. Wonder Woman is considered so-called mid-tier at best, yet I've been having a blast with her. Hell, I doubt most people with high-tier characters like Adam, Supers or Aquaman can deal with Akromaniac's Wonder Woman, despite her being a lower tier character.
Nice conversation by the way. Appreciate your insight on things.
Which has been one of my main points since the beginning. Thank you for pointing this out to others.Just because someone like swamp thing beats someone like black Adam doesn't mean the character isn't bad/good. It just shows the player got outplayed.
This makes no sense if a Swamp Thing player is constantly beating a Black Adam player. He'd look at you as though you're nuts.Swamp thing is bad and Black Adam is good. Period.
Uh, nooooo.No. Darkseid was already in the top 5 discussion. Sonic just made it more believable.
It makes perfect sense. There are bad characters and there are good characters. There are bad MUs and there are good MUs.Which has been one of my main points since the beginning. Thank you for pointing this out to others.
This makes no sense if a Swamp Thing player is constantly beating a Black Adam player. He'd look at you as though you're nuts.
Uh, nooooo.
Hes wasn't seen on ANYBODY'S list until Sonic put him on the map.
*sigh* This was asked by @alkipot earlier. Obviously you missed it. Here.....Serious question, is this your first fighting game?
Sure it does. As to why, re-read my previous responses.....this seems like a really superficial understanding of what this thread is actually about. like you would say 'batmans jump 2 is not that strong because the opponent has the option to simply antiair him' type shit
of course sonicfox would beat most people with a bad character. this is like if we were in a thread about the best basketball shoes and you said that kevin durant would beat a rec league player wearing flip flops. it is obvious and doesnt really speak to anything regarding the discussion at hand.
You misunderstood. He's saying a good swamp thing can beat a bad black adam. Doesn't mean that swamp thing isn't in need of serious buffs, and black adam doesn't need to get hit with the nerf bat. If the best Black Adam in the world went against the best Swamp thing in the world, Swamp Thing would be obliterated. Over and over.Which has been one of my main points since the beginning. Thank you for pointing this out to others.
This makes no sense if a Swamp Thing player is constantly beating a Black Adam player. He'd look at you as though you're nuts.
Uh, nooooo.
Hes wasn't seen on ANYBODY'S list until Sonic put him on the map.
Honeybee, we have to play.Did NRS ever say they're going to do a balance patch after EVO? Seems like they may even wait until September until after the pro circuit is over at this rate before having a huge balance change.
I'm not denying nor have I ever denied some characters may need buffs like Joker or Swamp Thing. I have NO problem with that. Nor have I denied that some characters are better than others. I just don't believe that the gap is so great that the top tier have to be nerfed as opposed to lower tier characters getiing fixed in weak areas.But see, here's where your wrong. You are commenting on joker as if you know how to use him, let alone the MU. I comment on top tier characters because I use the Joker and I play against them all the time verse my friends and randoms. Sonic fox loves using joker. He stated it multiple times. The problem with joker is, he isn't viable. Any joker player, much like any character in the game, can obliterate you easily if you don't know the MU. Sonic fox is by all means a great player but even he knows that joker is not strong enough to be considered as tournament material, otherwise, he would use him. If the joker won a legit tournament, it's because nobody knew the mu. Why do you think joker has never seen a top 8 at a major at all?
The greatest player could use the worse characters in the game vs an opponent of equal or near equal skill using one of the best characters in the game and if they both know the MU and character exploits, the player with the better character will most likely win. Why? Because the worst character in the game has way too many faults and the best character in the game has nowhere near as many and can exploit the weaker character easily, making it a game of cat and mouse.
In other words, let's reference a car here:
Black Adam is the driver
Joker is the passenger
Black Adam automatically has control over the wheel from the time the car starts, while joker can give him trouble in the car ride, ultimately black Adam will decide where they will be going.
You feel me?
Sonic fox at the end of the day is just a man. He loses all the same as we do. Joker would not make him invincible once people know the MU. He would struggle and his wins will be completely read-based and the risk-reward benefit will succumb to luck, especially if he's fighting a black adam. Now sonic fox with a black adam... he's damn near invincible. Why? Because the character is strong already and the person using him is smart.
Strong character/smart player= near invincible with a better chance at winning
Weak character/smart player= calculating risk-reward benefits and probabilities, heavy reads and luck equals wins.
If you were to just start this game and read this and you wanted to do nothing but win, where would you start? Low tier or high tier?
you mean nerf the two broken characters and buff the shit one? basicallySo you wanna butcher Superman and Aquaman but break GL? lol
You understand that underlined statement is what life is all about, right? This includes games as well. Possibly the most popular phrase of winners who play games, whether it be video, cards, board games is....It makes perfect sense. There are bad characters and there are good characters. There are bad MUs and there are good MUs.
Swamp thing is bad. Black Adam is good. Black Adam beats swamp thing.
Just because the swamp player is winning does not mean black Adam is bad, swamp thing is good or it's a good MU for swamp. He's just outplaying his opponent.
make that shit negative he has another plus string that nobody uses he would be fine if it was - on block people would just be mad because theyd have to use their brains. it was -3 in the first game he was still stupid good.Possibly make Aquaman's back 213 +1 or 0 on block..
I'm just gonna chalk it up to you being new, but yes, top players do complain. They still play, but yes, they do complain. Chris G/Chris T/Nemo/Infiltration and many more have ALL complained.Top players do that, they don't whine about imbalances, I admire that in them.
Yeah but you're going on the principle of most people skill being on equal footing. We both know that's far far from true, no matter what game is played.You misunderstood. He's saying a good swamp thing can beat a bad black adam. Doesn't mean that swamp thing isn't in need of serious buffs, and black adam doesn't need to get hit with the nerf bat. If the best Black Adam in the world went against the best Swamp thing in the world, Swamp Thing would be obliterated. Over and over.