People just hated on ryu because he went even vs pretty much every character in the game and had no really bad matchups because of it, what those people didn't realize was that if you nerf someone who goes 5/5 vs 90% of the cast you now have a character that LOSES to 90% of the cast. But what do I know I'm just a tier whore. Ask Myles he's got valid opinions on S1 ryu.
Uh. He lost his throw loops and everyone else kept theirs. He lost dmg and stun. His frames got universally worse as did his hitboxes/hurtboxes on his most relevant normals(st mp/st lk) and he lost his best defensive tool which was his meterless dp. Say what you want, but there were 4-5 characters that were just as good as him that got left pretty much alone. Only two characters to be treated as unfairly as him were Nash/Alex, maybe fang. They even made tatsus easier to punish. Because -9 was too hard, come on dude. Even his uncomboable overhead was nerfed lol.
ya I saw the patch notes too. 90% of ryu players complain now come from the things I mentioned being gone and the rest like hitbox adjustments are relevant to the 5% who weren't bum ryus. the character doesn't do anything now, sure, but not because they nerfed some range on his pinky toe trust me lul
So tell me what ryu actually HAS compared to the rest of the cast currently. theres no reason to pick him over akuma if you want a defensive or offensive shoto(even the hp doesn't matter as much as his toolset being whack), if you want a neutral heavy character why would you pick ryu over a Karin/cammy? If you want mixups and dmg why would you pick him over Rog/Urien/Gief etc, if you wanna chuck plasma why pick him over guile? he's not even unique enough that just liking the character is a good reason to pick him up because there are a few shotos that are just better. They took a strong well rounded character that did everything reasonably well and made him well below average at EVERYTHING. Go play ryu and get a CH st mp in a frame trap and tell me what you get off it.
like I said there are universal changes that affected characters similarily but with less damage done to the characters design. what ryu had wasn't "solid" play. "Solid" sfv stuff maybe lul
idc what they do with ryu or am I saying that he's amazing just pointing out he took advantage of the worst parts of sfv. Shoutouts to forward dash backdash hk tho lul
Uh no. You're just plain wrong. Ryu had 0 gimmicks. If you think him having probably the best air normal somehow made him busted and that no one had to try to win with him you're just trolling. he definitely was less toxic to the overall meta than characters like Rog/Laura/Urien are now. I'd rather play vs a buffed s1 ryu than I would any of those 3 and probably more than I would current cammy/Karin/guile/ibuki. You're just fucking salty that a scrub like me had close to a 50/50 winrate vs your guile hue hue.
no see I think being able to jump in free and dash around, jab aa, and do mad damage for nothing aren't gimmicks in sfv and I also think they're the worst parts of the game. so do a lot of people lul
He couldn't fucking jump in free though lol. He had the best air normal but you could definitely deal with it. His jab aa was rarely if ever used in high level offline play, and if by do mad dmg for nothing you mean do similar dmg to other fully loaded characters when he gets a cc then yes he did that. His dash was 1 frame faster than average and you know that there were dashes that had a harder animation to react to. Fact is ryu was a pretty honest top tier in S1 and he wasn't blowing any characters out of the water in a matchup. Who did ryu 6-4? Honestly. Fang? Bison, maybe?
Eh. Daigo has been falling off for awhile. That plus ryu is whack now. Not much of a surprise TBH. He might even have been the underdog going in on a lot of brackets.
sorry but I'm going to agree with tokido in that his j.lk was broken. I was lucky just to trade with it whether I used a normal or flash kick
If ryu requires solid play to win with then a shitfaced gopher could beat daigo with guile. So go to an event shazzy. You too can beat daigo! Seriously. If ryu is where you think a character should be then the next patch better nerf 20 characters.
but according to bumdown you could deal with it man tokido who lul
No I'm just saying his j lk didn't make him anywhere near as broken as the s2 characters.
who said anything about s2 characters when we were talking s1 ryu. and saying something isn't as bad as something else to justify it is called "defending". so yes you are literally defending ryu j. Lk
