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EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
EMPRESS_SunFire said:
I will get back into the game soon but I stopped playing it for a looong time. Can someone tell me how good are Cammy, Laura and Juri in the current meta?
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Yeah, Laura is top 3 but she's very broken. Idiotically so. One touch into a guess into death. Endless pressure.. No shade on Idom cause he's been playing her since s1, but watching him play (or any really high level Laura) is like watching the game die in front of your eyes.

Cammy is (in my opinion) a top tier, super strong character who is super well balanced.

Juri is *probably* better than a lot of people think, but that doesn't mean she's like secret top tier or anything. But I would say upper mid tier.

If you return to the game, I wouldnt spend time on Laura just yet, we have been promised a balance patch this month at some point and I cant imagine she isnt going to take a hit.. and Capcom is weird with balance decisions.. She might be balanced fairly and still be strong and viable.. or she may be gutted and made worthless. Fuck only knows.
 
BookBurning

BookBurning

Voidwards
Laura is literally a walking braindead vortex. Even at Diamond level, I see the same garbage except they have better fundamentals. Juri's pressure game is actually not bad and her footsies are great, not to mention her insane dash speed. I think she's slept on. Her damage can be lacking somewhat though.
 
B. Shazzy

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
well boys our time has almost come to an end. we're 1.5 k ( should be .5k but nvm lul) away from ultra diamond.

and only 2k away from the #1 Guile NA spot. then myles will have to notice me for sure rite guise
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
EntropicByDesign said:
Yeah, Laura is top 3 but she's very broken. Idiotically so. One touch into a guess into death. Endless pressure.. No shade on Idom cause he's been playing her since s1, but watching him play (or any really high level Laura) is like watching the game die in front of your eyes.

Cammy is (in my opinion) a top tier, super strong character who is super well balanced.

Juri is *probably* better than a lot of people think, but that doesn't mean she's like secret top tier or anything. But I would say upper mid tier.

If you return to the game, I wouldnt spend time on Laura just yet, we have been promised a balance patch this month at some point and I cant imagine she isnt going to take a hit.. and Capcom is weird with balance decisions.. She might be balanced fairly and still be strong and viable.. or she may be gutted and made worthless. Fuck only knows.
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I'm pretty sad they made her what I didn't want... A better version of Mika, they are very similar but Laura was very honest when I was still playing.
 
FL Rushdown

FL Rushdown

Champion
EMPRESS_SunFire said:
I'm pretty sad they made her what I didn't want... A better version of Mika, they are very similar but Laura was very honest when I was still playing.
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Nah fuck that noise. People were just sleeping on Laura like they were Urien/Rog and then capcom gave them a few buffs and everyone was like omg this character with 1 new tool or 1 slightly better mixup is now super busted. Urien/Rog/Laura were underrated in s1 and ryu and a few other top tiers were overrated. The game was way better balanced in s1.
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
FL Rushdown said:
Nah fuck that noise. People were just sleeping on Laura like they were Urien/Rog and then capcom gave them a few buffs and everyone was like omg this character with 1 new tool or 1 slightly better mixup is now super busted. Urien/Rog/Laura were underrated in s1 and ryu and a few other top tiers were overrated. The game was way better balanced in s1.
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I don't think Laura was bad, in fact I don't think anyone was BAD other than Zangief but she was definitely lacking at first, IMO she's just one of those characters that is kinda hard to balance since she depends on mixing up her oponents...
 
EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
I want to argue but its not worth the effort...

Look at the patch notes for s2, they were given way more than 1 new tool and 1 slightly better mixup and even stil, 1 new tool can be the difference in utterly unstoppable pressure/offense/horseshit, and a balanced character.

I do agree, and this is admitting that I was wrong initially, that s1 was more balanced than s2. S1 had its top tiers, but they didnt have this weird SSS tier we have now.. and the games entire meta was WAY more healthy and WAY less toxic than what s2 has become.

I just hope when we get this damn patch it doesn't gut any of the top tiers. Urien needs not much to maintain how fun and dynamic he is, but bring him down a little from broke-ass status.. Balrog I feel like is tough to balance right, because he can be made total shit very easy. Laura I dont know.. She's a weirdly complex character. Her current never-ending guessery needs to fucking stop - and yes, I know some of it isnt real and its a gimmick, but she can forgo every gimmick and still chain infini-pressure/guessery and so on.

Shrug, but wtf do I know.
 
FL Rushdown

FL Rushdown

Champion
EntropicByDesign said:
I want to argue but its not worth the effort...

Look at the patch notes for s2, they were given way more than 1 new tool and 1 slightly better mixup and even stil, 1 new tool can be the difference in utterly unstoppable pressure/offense/horseshit, and a balanced character.

I do agree, and this is admitting that I was wrong initially, that s1 was more balanced than s2. S1 had its top tiers, but they didnt have this weird SSS tier we have now.. and the games entire meta was WAY more healthy and WAY less toxic than what s2 has become.

I just hope when we get this damn patch it doesn't gut any of the top tiers. Urien needs not much to maintain how fun and dynamic he is, but bring him down a little from broke-ass status.. Balrog I feel like is tough to balance right, because he can be made total shit very easy. Laura I dont know.. She's a weirdly complex character. Her current never-ending guessery needs to fucking stop - and yes, I know some of it isnt real and its a gimmick, but she can forgo every gimmick and still chain infini-pressure/guessery and so on.

Shrug, but wtf do I know.
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What they got buffed in isn't what people are complaining about. No ones crying about rogs st lp being plus 3 instead of 2 or tap being throw invincible. They're crying about his dmg and corner carry. No ones crying about uriens crossup or his double cr hp combos they're crying about his ridiculous aegis mixups and his st Hp. People are just now realizing how strong those characters individual tools are because people are playing them.
 
EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
FL Rushdown said:
What they got buffed in isn't what people are complaining about. No ones crying about rogs st lp being plus 3 instead of 2 or tap being throw invincible. They're crying about his dmg and corner carry. No ones crying about uriens crossup or his double cr hp combos they're crying about his ridiculous aegis mixups and his st Hp. People are just now realizing how strong those characters individual tools are because people are playing them.
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I said I wasnt going to argue and I wont.. but your opinion is your own, but you're downplaying the accumulation of small changes and system-wide changes and the effect those changes has on taking fringe scenario stuff and elevating it to every damn round crap. Rog could corner carry and erase your life bar. Laura could make you guess a lot. But neither had the pressure and other tools to do it EVERY SINGLE ROUND THEY ARE IN. Now they do.

Urien I partly agree with you on, but just because people arent bitching about his crossup (people are bitching about his cr.hp combos, its not directly, its general bitching about the damage he gets, but it amounts to the same thing) and other minor things, it doesnt mean that those small changes arent helping him to be as strong as he is. More options is just plain more shit the defender has to keep in mind.

I mean, when PR Rog admits his own character is really really good, you KNOW they must be broken. That guy said Necalli was midtier at best all through s1 and Rog was bottom 3.

Just for reference, I feel like Laura and Rog were both mid tier characters, maybe, MAYBE upper mid.
 
FL Rushdown

FL Rushdown

Champion
EntropicByDesign said:
I said I wasnt going to argue and I wont.. but your opinion is your own, but you're downplaying the accumulation of small changes and system-wide changes and the effect those changes has on taking fringe scenario stuff and elevating it to every damn round crap. Rog could corner carry and erase your life bar. Laura could make you guess a lot. But neither had the pressure and other tools to do it EVERY SINGLE ROUND THEY ARE IN. Now they do.

Urien I partly agree with you on, but just because people arent bitching about his crossup (people are bitching about his cr.hp combos, its not directly, its general bitching about the damage he gets, but it amounts to the same thing) and other minor things, it doesnt mean that those small changes arent helping him to be as strong as he is. More options is just plain more shit the defender has to keep in mind.

I mean, when PR Rog admits his own character is really really good, you KNOW they must be broken. That guy said Necalli was midtier at best all through s1 and Rog was bottom 3.

Just for reference, I feel like Laura and Rog were both mid tier characters, maybe, MAYBE upper mid.
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I'm not downplaying the small changes. I'm saying people didn't know shit about the characters in s1 and asked for unneeded buffs and now they still don't know the characters and complain about how s2 broke them while crying about stuff they've always had. Even you don't seem to know that uriens second cr hp isn't used for dmg and in a lot of combos(including any ca one, so ALL the max dmg ones) actually lowers his dmg. It's busted for the corner reset and the extra corner carry. Midscreen it's 12 extra dmg.
 
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EntropicByDesign

EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
FL Rushdown said:
I'm not downplaying the small changes. I'm saying people didn't know shit about the characters in s1 and asked for unneeded buffs and now they still don't know the characters and complain about how s2 broke them while crying about stuff they've always had. Even you don't seem to know that uriens second cr hp isn't used for dmg and in a lot of combos(including any ca one, so ALL the max dmg ones) actually lowers his dmg. It's busted for the corner reset and the extra corner carry. Midscreen it's 12 extra dmg.
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I am terribly sorry I used a second cr.hp as an example of damage? My point still stands, I'll go try to give a shit about a minor detail in a broader point. Shrug. I will concede that I misunderstood your argument.

SFV is a broken mess right now and I've quit the game until the March patch. I feel like Capcom is being.. I dont even know the right words.. pathetic? Idiotic? I mean, they shit the bed in LITERALLY every way possible with this game and there isnt a single damn aspect of the game that works right for everyone. Not the online, not the features, not CFN (both its online and its community component.. its supposed to grow and centralize a FG community and I cant even talk to people there?), barely the balance (its bad but it isn't unplayable by any means and its still pretty balanced over-all), just.. nothing. Nothing in this game works worth half a fuck and its been a year. I was willing to forgive this cockery at launch and 6 months after and even going in to s2, because I thought s2 would bring significant client changes.. but it didnt.. and we have essentially NO meaningful communication. No updates or dev streams .. nothing. Except when they release a DLC character they want to sell. They pop out long enough to sell us something then disappear again counting whatever pathetically small amount of money they leeched from the fans of their game who DESPERATELY want the game to succeed, all the while leaving us with the same pile of luke-warm horseshit we've been trudging around in since launch. Ive bought all DLC, WHILE being opposed to Capcom as a company. Why? Because I thought, ya know what, I could vote with my wallet, but the ABYSMAL commercial failure that has been sfv has already been a strong wallet vote and it hasnt mattered. So, since they arent making the money they should be making/want to make/whatever, I will support the game financially in so far as I can, through my small contributions, hoping against hope, that others feel the same and the accumulated sales will be enough to spur Capcom in to fucking DOING SOMETHING WITH THIS GAME.

How about speaking to the fucking public you entitled fucks? How about telling us something that's NOT a lie, explaining things or giving us a timeline or dev road map? How about showing some appreciation to the fans who have been eating the maggoty gruel you've been feeding them and asking for more? How about acknowledging some of the fucking issues with this game and SAYING SOMETHING?

Fuck Capcom.
 
Rip Torn

Rip Torn

ALL I HAVE IS THE GREEN.
I think Capcom has some shit up their sleeve. Like a huge update or a bunch of new content that would be more like a Super SFV or something. Honestly though, the best thing they could do is fix all the quality of life stuff, balance the game, and release good DLC. Quality of life stuff is the most frustrating because it should have been done already...
 
NeroOps

NeroOps

Death Before Dishonor
Capcom probably working on a part 2 of the story mode dealing with gill. Also when it comes to the balancing In my mind I see capcom trying to force people to use most of the chars moveset instead of one specific combination that's really good against other chars.
 
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Scoot Magee

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
I'm really upset about how badly they nerfed Ryu. I've really been trying but the character doesn't have anything anymore. I've been getting mopped up in s2 pretty badly. I started playing gief because I think he's actually really good but I'm hoping they give something back to Ryu. The character is a joke right now considering all the nonsense other characters have.
 
B. Shazzy

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
Scoot Magee said:
I'm really upset about how badly they nerfed Ryu. I've really been trying but the character doesn't have anything anymore. I've been getting mopped up in s2 pretty badly. I started playing gief because I think he's actually really good but I'm hoping they give something back to Ryu. The character is a joke right now considering all the nonsense other characters have.
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Look what they did they took away a broken air normal, and universally adjusted him to fit a new meta where throw loops and dps aren't given to just a few charactes and now he's garbage lul. just goes to show you how bummy the character was in the first place
 
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