EntropicByDesign
It's all so very confusing.
I know, I was replying to Rushdown and just giving my reasons on why I think it's an even MU =)I was messing with you.
I know, I was replying to Rushdown and just giving my reasons on why I think it's an even MU =)I was messing with you.
St hk whiffs and you die if you use it in neutral vs gief or it hits and you're negative enough to have to guess between reversal spd or a button. Both are bad. F hp is gimmicky and risky because of giefs v skill. Cr hp is good but has massive recovery and is whiff punishable. No one is confirming off of a single max range st mk consistently enough for you to risk going into optimal dmg stuff like v skill kick or lk tatsu. At most you'll go fireball but since st mk is negative on block id also advise against fishing with it like that unless you plan on committing to something gief can punish after since you're getting mixed if you stay negative 2 vs gief.Shrug. To each their own but it feels pretty even to me. I think one of the keys to the MU might be just playing a run-away zoning war until he gets trigger then approach on the ground. St.rh has good range. F. And cr. Fp both have decent range. St.mk has more range than it seems, and it's very fast for a medium that combos in to the damage you get off of it.
Gief stops Akuma's bullshit, so it's a fundamental/footsie kinda thing, or at least that's how I play it. You have to abuse your fireballs while you can and then play a careful spacing game, try to whiff punish and convert in to damage. Stay out of the air and don't try a bunch of mixup demon flip shenanigans, just spacing and patience. If you get a KD prioritize screen position over anything else.. if I land a sweep or something my first thought is always getting away from the corner I'm probably being backed in to.
Shrug, maybe you're right and Gief wins everything (footsies, screen position, etc) vs Akuma but in the neutral when I'm playing patient and not screwing up my spacing I don't feel like I'm in a losing position..
Now, contrary to what I just said, sometimes taking a risk is worth a lot. If you have meter on deck and you have a Gief who likes mashing jab mindlessly, ex dp his ass or walk in, try to bait the jab spam, take a quick step back and fish for a counter hit or CC. It's an in and out game and it's about spacing and respect. Don't forget also that a lot of Giefs damage comes from reads and if he reads wrong, Akuma can turn that in to a shit-ton of damage . Isn't his no meter jump in like 330? I can't remember.. that's essentially a third of Giefs health if you read an SPD.
Again, maybe I'm totally wrong, but I don't think he loses the MU, I think it's pretty even. Both characters have mean shit to do to one another.
A quick edition- patterns and timing are important. I played a game as Rashid vs Gief earlier where I was just getting dumpstered and started bitching that all Gief had to do was mash whatever and it just beat me out. So next set we switched and I just mashed as Gief. And I mean mashed, cause I dunno how to play him. So, funnily enough , things were kinda rough for the other guy the first game or so, then he got his spacing and timing right and started to whiff punish and CC Giefs stuff. I saw the range he was at and how he was timing what I was doing. So we swapped back for the next set and while I still lost (second time playing Rashid ever vs a Gief main and someone who played him quite a bit in s1 as well) it wasn't to.Gief spamming buttons. I was able to make my 'inferior' normals work by just watching for patterns and figureing out timings and such.. and that's rough on Rashid because if you're fishing for a Cr.fp Gief can jump and full combo your ass and his st.rh is -4 now..
Just my opinion.
I feel for you, Shazzy. Controlling the entire match like that... totally unfair for you to have to work at all for that.... they should probably take Giefs vtrig away so that you don't have to think for the WHOLE match instead.it's because zangief is a scrub character in season 2. look how perfect and how much work I have to put in to stop these bums from going unga bunga until they get vtrigger to take half your lifeanyway
this guy lost because zangiefs don't know how to block in neutral and he didn't jump in enough. Lariat should be crush counterable on whiff like every other move with invincible frames
Aha I didnt see his reply.I know, I was replying to Rushdown and just giving my reasons on why I think it's an even MU =)
Aha I didnt see his reply.
That's pretty silly since matchup numbers unlike tierlists are specifically designed to represent a result between players of equal skill. Now there are situations where the matchup numbers can shift a bit between skill brackets but a tool being countered by another tool is relevant at almost every skill level.Honestly, bronze to gold, probably plat as well... none of this matchup shit matters. You lose, it's on you.
Idk man. Whoever you main has only losing MUs. So yeah I can see how that's a relevant tool for ya.That's pretty silly since matchup numbers unlike tierlists are specifically designed to represent a result between players of equal skill. Now there are situations where the matchup numbers can shift a bit between skill brackets a tool being countered by another tool is relevant at almost every skill level.
Have I literally ever played you? I honestly don't remember.Idk man. Whoever you main has only losing MUs. So yeah I can see how that's a relevant tool for ya.
It's it useable info? Sure. Is it the option select that you wield it as in these forums? I don't think so.
Were we even skill in our set? It was as close as a set can be and I won. Gief v akuma. Did I win because gief beats akuma? Did I win because it was "your first game of the night" (thought it was my first game in a day or two)?
I think you're a good enough player and all. I'm just tired of reading how bad everyone's character is the last couple pages. Akuma is good. Gief is good. Guile is good. Until you're using each to their max potential I just think this time could be used more usefully.
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Of the characters I've ever played consistently I've said two are top 5 and ones most likely mid tier. How am I a low tier god? Honestly I'm curious what's up with you cause I don't really know if we've ever had an interaction that would cause you to be salty like this.I'm done lol.
Let the lowtiergod-ery continue.
Did u not read the post? I just told you we did lol.Have I literally ever played you? I honestly don't remember.
Yeah I asked you to clarify cause I honestly don't remember. I think lord bison said it best when he said it was just a Tuesday to me. But seriously have we ever argued because I don't remember it. Apologies if I either put you down or dumped salt on you though.Did u not read the post? I just told you we did lol.
I think you misunderstand me. Its more of me being annoyed at the excuses on every page here than it is a feeling of salt. And it's not directed specifically at you.Of the characters I've ever played consistently I've said two are top 5 and ones most likely mid tier. How am I a low tier god? Honestly I'm curious what's up with you cause I don't really know if we've ever had an interaction that would cause you to be salty like this.
We had one set. Ft3. Gief v Akuma. You invited me. I took the first 2. You took the next 2. Last game was close but I won. You wanted a runback. I didn't have time. You said something about ur first game of the night and fucking up ur meaty timings. Nothing special.Yeah I asked you to clarify cause I honestly don't remember. I think lord bison said it best when he said it was just a Tuesday to me. But seriously have we ever argued because I don't remember it. Apologies if I either put you down or dumped salt on you though.
I posted taunt tech and no one replied so I just keep that shit in my notebook.I think you misunderstand me. Its more of me being annoyed at the excuses on every page here than it is a feeling of salt. And it's not directed specifically at you.
Considering we've had akuma for how long? Like two weeks? I'd rather be reading the sick tech you're coming up with than how he loses. That's all.
Oh yeah I think I remember that lol. I still want that run back though. Pretty sure I died to a wakeup throw tech and face palmed myself.We had one set. Ft3. Gief v Akuma. You invited me. I took the first 2. You took the next 2. Last game was close but I won. You wanted a runback. I didn't have time. You said something about ur first game of the night and fucking up ur meaty timings. Nothing special.
I was unable to view the taunt thing so I could only read what you were saying. But no don't hold any cool stuff back. I don't play akuma but I know @EntropicByDesign is learning him and would prob wanna see anything new.I posted taunt tech and no one replied so I just keep that shit in my notebook.
Then someone specifically asked me if I think akuma loses a specific matchup which I answered(I even qualified with it's not an impossible matchup nor does akuma lack the tools to win)
Then someone posted tools to use in the matchup which I responded to with my opinion of why they're sub optimal.
I didn't bring it up and I'm not crying because I think akuma is fine.
Idk if that's what killed you but there was a time or two I thought you were gonna throw and I tried to tech and got a grab instead lol. We will def have that runback. I'm free Wednesday?Oh yeah I think I remember that lol. I still want that run back though. Pretty sure I died to a wakeup throw tech and face palmed myself.
I'm off Wednesday you can pencil me in for an ass kicking sometime around 5ish. If I lose super bad though just know I'm coming straight here to get my myleswright on up in this bitch. So let me demon you at least once.I was unable to view the taunt thing so I could only read what you were saying. But no don't hold any cool stuff back. I don't play akuma but I know @EntropicByDesign is learning him and would prob wanna see anything new.
Idk if that's what killed you but there was a time or two I thought you were gonna throw and I tried to tech and got a grab instead lol. We will def have that runback. I'm free Wednesday?
Lmao just blame it on the bad MUI'm off Wednesday you can pencil me in for an ass kicking sometime around 5ish. If I lose super bad though just know I'm coming straight here to get my myleswright on up in this bitch. So let me demon you at least once.
the thing is, they got buffed ?! yes, they did, but as Sajam said, their biggest buffs were the nerfs of the S1 top tiers... they were good before, but, now they are better bc of the S1 top tiers aren't there anymoreAccording to most players Guile and Urien are the two top tiers.