Street Fighter V General Discussion

[B. Shazzy]

Fine, I'll test your stupid button that I forgot to test out of all the combinations of ticks vs Rashid normals.

Oh look, it still works! Thanks for wasting my time. Your training mode must be broken or something...

Can I watch NEC now?

ya bro looks like it worked 40% of the time on a 7f normal what a "valid tick throw" Guile's got there huh.

It's simple. don't talk like you know something better than me about my own character, be proven wrong after acting smug, and then get upset when you can't handle being wrong. Sorry, next time listen to what better players tell you about their character I guess? I mean bloody hell am I right Myles

 

[Rip Torn]

ya bro looks like it worked 40% of the time on a 7f normal what a "valid tick throw" Guile's got there huh.

It's simple. don't talk like you know something better than me about my own character, be proven wrong after acting smug, and then get upset when you can't handle being wrong. Sorry, next time listen to what better players tell you about their character I guess? I mean bloody hell right Myles

If it works, it works. Maybe, I dunno... my timing was off since I don't play Guile. I really don't care if LK ticks. You have st.LP, cr. LP and in certain MU's you have figure out for yourself what ticks and what doesn't. You don't need 4 ticks. You have legit tick throws against Rashid. If you talk about that MU again, don't start with the "I have no tick throws" BS.

Good luck in season 2.

 

[Kroaken]

Yeah a lot of her shenanigans were gimmicks people never bothered to work on.

After the cr.mp reset in the corner, you guess between f.hp and command grab, right? Would simulating that in training mode help anyone learn the MU?

Because her corner carry made that inevitable unless you blocked every mp she tried.

 

[The Slaj Jazz]

R Mika must die

 

[FL Rushdown]

After the cr.mp reset in the corner, you guess between f.hp and command grab, right? Would simulating that in training mode help anyone learn the MU?

Because her corner carry made that inevitable unless you blocked every mp she tried.

And you got in the corner by getting clipped. Sorry you lose options there but everyone with a command grab has that mixup in the corner. I'm referring to people letting her pressure after a blocked medium or not knowing her cr hp spacing.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

After the cr.mp reset in the corner, you guess between f.hp and command grab, right? Would simulating that in training mode help anyone learn the MU?

Because her corner carry made that inevitable unless you blocked every mp she tried.

And you got in the corner by getting clipped. Sorry you lose options there but everyone with a command grab has that mixup in the corner. I'm referring to people letting her pressure after a blocked medium or not knowing her cr hp spacing.

Wait, after cr,mp reset? My understanding was that her reset was after a corner cr.mp you had to do vTrigger and decide if you wanted to go underneath your opponent so your opponent had trouble (not everytime) deciding which way to block, either forward or back?

 

[B. Shazzy]

If it works, it works. Maybe, I dunno... my timing was off since I don't play Guile. I really don't care if LK ticks. You have st.LP, cr. LP and in certain MU's you have figure out for yourself what ticks and what doesn't. You don't need 4 ticks. You have legit tick throws against Rashid. If you talk about that MU again, don't start with the "I have no tick throws" BS.

Good luck in season 2.

holy shit there's no "mistiming" a button > throw 50% of the time you just do it and it works or it's not real.

I'll make it simple. Forget trying to explain anything with nuance. Being able to tick throw only certain buttons sometimes doesn't give a character a "tick throw". Last test, tick throw Rashid's cr.lp with Guile. Then use your own character, Rashid, and do his actual, real st. lk tick throw against Rashid's cr. Lp. Post a video, admit you don't know what you're talking about or don't idc just stop spreading misinformation.

 

[B. Shazzy]

@Rip Torn
And
@Kroaken since he seems to be his biggest fan right now

Look I did the test for you.

which one is not like the others u guise

Rashid's tick throw:

Guile's "tick throw"

so valid my man ur gdlk rip torn. now imagine that same situation for Guile and Rashid but now extend it through the whole cast for characters that don't have to use st. Lk on defense (aka everybody) and you have guile's "valid tick throws" not working on them either. Rashid doesn't have the problem because he has real a tick throw.

 

[CrazyFingers]

So apparently Ken still super has his throw loops

 

[Kroaken]

@Rip Torn
And
@Kroaken since he seems to be his biggest fan right now

Look I did the test for you.

which one is not like the others u guise

Rashid's tick throw:

Guile's "tick throw"

so valid my man ur gdlk rip torn. now imagine that same situation for Guile and Rashid but now extend it through the whole cast for characters that don't have to use st. Lk on defense (aka everybody) and you have guile's "valid tick throws" not working on them either. Rashid doesn't have the problem because he has real a tick throw.

Biggest fan? Kinda childish...

I liked some of ur shit too. Just luling at you two arguing.

 

[Kroaken]

And you got in the corner by getting clipped. Sorry you lose options there but everyone with a command grab has that mixup in the corner. I'm referring to people letting her pressure after a blocked medium or not knowing her cr hp spacing.

Oh that stuff is gimmicky for sure. But only she and Ken put you in the corner almost every touch. And they had some of the highest stun/dmg once they got you there. The stuff you mentioned was fine and you're right: gimmicky.

 

[Kroaken]

Wait, after cr,mp reset? My understanding was that her reset was after a corner cr.mp you had to do vTrigger and decide if you wanted to go underneath your opponent so your opponent had trouble (not everytime) deciding which way to block, either forward or back?

It's similar to how when you aa someone with a light... you're at advantage as they land giving you time to throw a meaty button or grab/commandgrab. Rushdown and buschyun (or however u spell it) can explain it better.

 

[NaCl man]

So apparently Ken still super has his throw loops

yeah he got an extra frame added so now he can auto pilot it with dash in the corner.

 

[B. Shazzy]

Biggest fan? Kinda childish...

I liked some of ur shit too. Just luling at you two arguing.

You don't actually think he's right about Guile having tick throws do you? Am I going crazy here?

 

[FL Rushdown]

Oh that stuff is gimmicky for sure. But only she and Ken put you in the corner almost every touch. And they had some of the highest stun/dmg once they got you there. The stuff you mentioned was fine and you're right: gimmicky.

so the mixups aren't the problem the corner carry is. Good thing they barely touched that.

 

[Kroaken]

You don't actually think he's right about Guile having tick throws do you? Am I going crazy here?

You already know that I defer to you on Guile stuff as you main Guile. I honestly don't know if you have any tick setups or not. All I can attest to is that online it can feel like a tick lol.

But I really don't know the frames on Guile. Does he have any? Off any button? And what about vs char with 4 framers?

 

[Kroaken]

so the mixups aren't the problem the corner carry is. Good thing they barely touched that.

The mixups are the problem? They just happen in the corner.

So yeah... corner carry then mixups. That can loop on a restand.

Help me if I'm off. I rarely have played mika.

So... is it st.mp f.mp (whip) corner bounce f.hp cr.mp (now here's the reset) you can cash out or meaty. Even abother st.mp... which restarts the aforementioned. Or I can eat the command grab (brimstone I think?) Which was also loop able right?

I'm not at my pc atm so I can't test to refresh my memory.

 

[FL Rushdown]

Wait, after cr,mp reset? My understanding was that her reset was after a corner cr.mp you had to do vTrigger and decide if you wanted to go underneath your opponent so your opponent had trouble (not everytime) deciding which way to block, either forward or back?

If you do the same combo but don't cancel into v trigger the cr mp hits them out of the air and re stands them(the only time you can cross under without trigger is when you hit them with f hp outside of a combo, you can also hit them and crossover with a jump forward hp but that's kinda useless and gimmicky) You can time it so a meaty button or command grab will hit them when they land. It's no different from their wake up though they can still dp. The advantages are that it's faster and makes timing the meaty easier.

 

[Kroaken]

If you do the same combo but don't cancel into v trigger the cr mp hits them out of the air and re stands them(the only time you can cross under without trigger is when you hit them with f hp outside of a combo, you can also hit them and crossover with a jump forward hp but that's kinda useless and gimmicky) You can time it so a meaty button or command grab will hit them when they land. It's no different from their wake up though they can still dp. The advantages are that it's faster and makes timing the meaty easier.

Thanks. Yeah. This is what I meant. She's not the only char to do this. Urien can do this once he has you in the corner as well.

The difference is he can't as easily put you there. And he doesn't also have a command grab should you dare start blocking.

Mika still won't be dead with the changes I've read so far. Sometimes people just jump ship at the first sign of waves.

 

[Rip Torn]

You don't actually think he's right about Guile having tick throws do you? Am I going crazy here?

He has a tick throw. I'm making a video to explain it.

 

[B. Shazzy]

You already know that I defer to you on Guile stuff as you main Guile. I honestly don't know if you have any tick setups or not. All I can attest to is that online it can feel like a tick lol.

But I really don't know the frames on Guile. Does he have any? Off any button? And what about vs char with 4 framers?

Did you watch the two videos? I'm showing you that no, Guile can't grab 4framers like Rashid's cr. LP, so he wouldn't be able to grab a 3 framer either. What's happening with Rashid's st. Lk is a special case exclusive to this one character and vega's st. Lk where his throwbox extends quickly enough in startup for Guile to grab it. If Rashid literally just blocks and doesn't mash only st. lk, Guile's throw whiffs or gets stuffed. That doesn't happen for legitimate characters tick setups in this game.


But riptorn so gdlk clinging to this one specific Rashid st. Lk button Guile can "tick throw" for life as if it proves anything and saying "Look I'm right!" it's so desperate lul

 

[Kroaken]

Did you watch the two videos? I'm showing you that no, Guile can't grab 4framers like Rashid's cr. LP, so he wouldn't be able to grab a 3 framer either. What's happening with Rashid's st. Lk is a special case exclusive to this one character and vega's st. Lk where his throwbox extends quickly enough in startup for Guile to grab it. If Rashid literally just blocks and doesn't mash only st. lk, Guile's throw whiffs or gets stuffed. That doesn't happen for legitimate characters tick setups in this game.


But riptorn so gdlk clinging to this one specific Rashid st. Lk button Guile can "tick throw" for life as if it proves anything and saying "Look I'm right!" it's so desperate lul

No. I'm out atm away from my wifi. Takes too long to load em out here. Will watch when I can.

But it all sounds legit.

 

[Rip Torn]

Did you watch the two videos? I'm showing you that no, Guile can't grab 4framers like Rashid's cr. LP, so he wouldn't be able to grab a 3 framer either. What's happening with Rashid's st. Lk is a special case exclusive to this one character and vega's st. Lk where his throwbox extends quickly enough in startup for Guile to grab it. If Rashid literally just blocks and doesn't mash only st. lk, Guile's throw whiffs or gets stuffed. That doesn't happen for legitimate characters tick setups in this game.


But riptorn so gdlk clinging to this one specific Rashid st. Lk button Guile can "tick throw" for life as if it proves anything and saying "Look I'm right!" it's so desperate lul

There is no need for you to go ham on Kroaken for liking stuff. He said he doesn't know and he's actually right for saying that because I can prove that Guile has tick throws. They're kind of weird and require certain timing.

 

[FL Rushdown]

The mixups are the problem? They just happen in the corner.

So yeah... corner carry then mixups. That can loop on a restand.

Help me if I'm off. I rarely have played mika.

So... is it st.mp f.mp (whip) corner bounce f.hp cr.mp (now here's the reset) you can cash out or meaty. Even abother st.mp... which restarts the aforementioned. Or I can eat the command grab (brimstone I think?) Which was also loop able right?

I'm not at my pc atm so I can't test to refresh my memory.

Well I'd recommend charged dropkick instead of f hp but it's similar. However once you guess right it is in fact your turn, most people just don't take it. If you block any of her mediums she's -2. If she rolls on you it's either with a gap and negative or she left huge gap, If she uses f hp she can't throw and keep the corner since only ex swing reaches and she also can't use mp into f mp to loop after a f hp. Her mixups are incredibly strong, but theyre stronger online where people either a)can't react as well, or b) don't know the matchup.

Her mixups in the corner are similar to Alex(comparing cuz I fool around with him on the side), but he's got worse corner carry. He's still got either f hp into button/command grab, raw command grab, tick throw, tick command grab. The big difference is you gotta spend bar to loop and his oni after his command grab is worse(although it's got more range/40 more dmg/50 more stun).

 

[Kroaken]

Well I'd recommend charged dropkick instead of f hp but it's similar. However once you guess right it is in fact your turn, most people just don't take it. If you block any of her mediums she's -2. If she rolls on you it's either with a gap and negative or she left huge gap, If she uses f hp she can't throw and keep the corner since only ex swing reaches and she also can't use mp into f mp to loop after a f hp. Her mixups are incredibly strong, but theyre stronger online where people either a)can't react as well, or b) don't know the matchup.

Her mixups in the corner are similar to Alex(comparing cuz I fool around with him on the side), but he's got worse corner carry. He's still got either f hp into button/command grab, raw command grab, tick throw, tick command grab. The big difference is you gotta spend bar to loop and his oni after his command grab is worse(although it's got more range/40 more dmg/50 more stun).

Yep. That's a good analysis.

I think the big thing with her (and this applies to Ken as well) is where they deal so much dmg and stun when you do guess wrong and they put you in that situation so often is there's a fear that they instill that makes you hesitate for those 2 frames lol.