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Discussion MKXL Character Learning Curve Rating System

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
while I agree that Noxious is easy, I wouldn't go as far as say it's for Beginners. I expect a Beginner character to have 50/50s or some incredibly good and easy to use tool to open up an opponent (like Takeda's NJP), while Reptile still has to do staggers as he can't live with just 50/50s, I agree though that he is often forgiven for not respecting - frames.
So much this.

Unbreakable is character that can jump for days and 50/50s to open opponents up its extremely easy offence.

Characters that require staggers and mix-ups within strings are more complex and require an understanding of frames. They are Normal from the get go.
 

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
Not sure if you mean execution, or just playing it at a high level. If high level, Reptile is top 5 hardest imo. If execution Reptile is hard but not EXTREMELY hard.
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
he needs a mini game named "try no to throw up"
Like whenever people talk about difficulty I hear displacer and stuff like that but I never hear Drunken Master. Man has a 10 second timer that when it ends makes him full combo punishable if he doesn't do a specific move or unless he's jumping. About as stressful as being a homeless alcoholic irl tbh.
 

AGRxShiroKuma

The White Bear
I think cryomancer and grandmaster can both go from normal to hard but unbreakable is definitely hard to very hard. Even though I've been using unbreakable since day one and now that variation is better I still get bodied if I can't remember what strings have gaps that I can ex parry and one dropped combo could mean death if I don't end with F12 so I can aura up.
 

SaSSolino

Soul Stealing Loyalist
I think cryomancer and grandmaster can both go from normal to hard but unbreakable is definitely hard to very hard. Even though I've been using unbreakable since day one and now that variation is better I still get bodied if I can't remember what strings have gaps that I can ex parry and one dropped combo could mean death if I don't end with F12 so I can aura up.
man I'm no unbreakable expert, but you can aura up in many ways, you can even use the ex version as a pressure tool.
 

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
Here Ya Go Bud. These Will Be Based Off The Characters I Play Or Played At The Highest Level



D'vorah
Swarm Queen: Hard
Venomous: Beginner
Brood Mother: Very Hard


Cassie
Brawler:Normal
Spec Ops:Normal
Hollywood:Medium


Sonya Blade
Special Forces:Very Hard
Covert Ops:Easy
Demolition: Very Hard


Alien
Konjurer:Hard
Tarkatan:Medium
Acidic:Medium


Kitana
Royal Storm:Easy
Assassin:Easy
Mournful:Medim


Scorpion
Ninjutsu: Medium/Hard



Sub-Zero
Grandmaster: Normal



Ermac
Spectral: Very Hard



Kung Jin
Ancestral:Hard
 

SaSSolino

Soul Stealing Loyalist
Here Ya Go Bud. These Will Be Based Off The Characters I Play Or Played At The Highest Level



D'vorah
Swarm Queen: Hard
Venomous: Beginner
Brood Mother: Very Hard


Cassie
Brawler:Normal
Spec Ops:Normal
Hollywood:Medium


Sonya Blade
Special Forces:Very Hard
Covert Ops:Easy
Demolition: Very Hard


Alien
Konjurer:Hard
Tarkatan:Medium
Acidic:Medium


Kitana
Royal Storm:Easy
Assassin:Easy
Mournful:Medim


Scorpion
Ninjutsu: Medium/Hard



Sub-Zero
Grandmaster: Normal



Ermac
Spectral: Very Hard



Kung Jin
Ancestral:Hard
what's the difference between Medium and Normal?
 

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
what's the difference between Medium and Normal?
probably a bit tighter execution. for example, hollywood cassie played at a normal level would be without the use of iag. But throw in the instant air guns and she becomes exponentially harder to grasp. She also has a few combos that are optimal if you want to take the extra step for the execution
 

SaSSolino

Soul Stealing Loyalist
probably a bit tighter execution. for example, hollywood cassie played at a normal level would be without the use of iag. But throw in the instant air guns and she becomes exponentially harder to grasp. She also has a few combos that are optimal if you want to take the extra step for the execution
so Medium is slightly harder than Normal?
 

x TeeJay o

Canary Cry Gapless Pressure
so Medium is slightly harder than Normal?
Yeah pretty much. Its just a tad bit harder in some aspect compared to the other variation. Same with kitana. Her first two are pretty easy , but mournful has much tighter execution for some of her combos and she's generally not as easy to use as those other ones.Lets put it this way, medium is like the baby of normal and hard. The character has normal aspects about them, but they have one or two hard aspects to their game as well. Case in point with the iag with cassie
 

AGRxShiroKuma

The White Bear
man I'm no unbreakable expert, but you can aura up in many ways, you can even use the ex version as a pressure tool.
The best way to aura up in my book is F4 then aura. I try not to use meter for the aura when I can use the block stun on F4 and get aura for free.
 

AGRxShiroKuma

The White Bear
Kinda sorta. He can be low poked or armored or sometimes even full combo punished out of his B12 ex aura. It's risky but if they are blocking too much it's pretty good.
 

NHDR

Noob
Characters I've played:

1. Kano (Cyber) - easy combos and straightforward game plan. [1/5]
2. Kotal (WG) - same as above, also very easy mix-ups. [1/5]
3. Kano (CT) - straightforward game plan but moderate execution. [2.5/5]
4. Kano (COM) - easy execution but need to know how to bait. [2/5]
5. Erron (GL) - hard execution and different setups, tick throws, etc. [5/5]
6. Kenshi (Bal) - need expert spacing and moderate execution. [5/5]
7. Sub-Zero (Cry) - no idea, haven't used much. Probably going to be 2-3 in the end.

1 means the character is very friendly to beginners, 5 means the character requires extend practice.
 

Plymarco

Worst Kitana ever?
One thing to keep in mind is that once a skill is learned, it becomes more easily applicable to a similar situation.

So, for a beginner, instant air anything can be difficult. But once learned, can be applied to any character capable of the same feat.

So in this regard i would that yes, kitana's IA fans are "easy" to do. But only after considerable practice. So in the end i would give them a Normal difficulty rating with everything said and done.

Does that help clear everything up?
I agree i completely forgot about the iaf. That's not easy for a new player to learn at all.
 

Beckmann_2420

I am the Infantry! FOLLOW ME!
I feel like all the chars I use are potatoe level.

Sub - GM
Predator - hunter
Jason - relentless
Triborg - smoke

I've never been good with chars that require run cancels or stagger heavy. So in my opinion those type of chars are more difficult to learn and play well with.
 
Leatherface (Killer) Normal/Hard
Leatherface (Butcher) Hard/Very Hard
Leatherface (Pretty Lady) Easy/Hard

Tremor (Metallic) Normal/Hard
Tremor (Aftershock) Hard/Very Hard
Tremor (Crystalline) Normal/Hard

Jason (Slasher) Beginner/Very Hard
Jason (Relentless) Easy/Hard
Jason (Unstoppable) Easy/Hard

Kano (Commando) Normal/Very Hard

Bo Rai Cho (Dragons Breath) Hard/Very Hard
Bo Rai Cho (Drunken Master) IMPOSSIBLE
 

CrazyFingers

The Power of Lame Compels You
Leatherface (Killer) Normal/Hard
Leatherface (Butcher) Hard/Very Hard
Leatherface (Pretty Lady) Easy/Hard

Tremor (Metallic) Normal/Hard
Tremor (Aftershock) Hard/Very Hard
Tremor (Crystalline) Normal/Hard

Jason (Slasher) Beginner/Very Hard
Jason (Relentless) Easy/Hard
Jason (Unstoppable) Easy/Hard

Kano (Commando) Normal/Very Hard

Bo Rai Cho (Dragons Breath) Hard/Very Hard
Bo Rai Cho (Drunken Master) IMPOSSIBLE
I appreciate you taking into account the effort you need to make in the neutral game with Slasher and Butcher :)
 

Snake Sound 222

Tonight, Tarkata feasts
Slasher Jason: Beginner/Very Hard

Acidic Alien: Easy (Main thing you need to know with Acidic is to use the acid a lot, as that increases your damage a good amount.
 

Second Saint

A man with too many names.
What makes Slasher so hard to master exactly? Is it just his neutral game or...what? I don't know enough about the character to form my own opinion on this.
 

Coosco

Noob
Interesting thread, pretty cool.

Sonya Blade (Covert Ops): Beginner/Easy
Sonya Blade (Special Forces): Normal/Hard
Cassie Cage (Brawler): Easy/Normal
Cassie Cage (Hollywood): Easy/Hard
Cyrax: Hard/Very Hard

My two cents on some of the characters I play.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
I definitely agree as I use them as well that with Ermac, KJ.

Ermac's Spectral is the hardest for his variations and KJ's Ancestral also the hardest for his variations.

Triborg I'd say Sektor is the second hardest/normal to use after C.Sub, while Cyrax and Smoke are easier. Since those are the characters I use in this particular MK.