I feel Goro is in a good place right now. It's not him that needs to get buffed, not necessarily. There are just too many dumbass op characters currently that need the Tanya treatment.
Everything Espio says is pure gold btw. But I still rather see nerfs before buffs.
I totally agree, if characters with insane shit were brought down to the level of Goro and others etc range then he doesn't need anything.
Some will probably go relatively unscathed that are at the top though. I would just like to see as many characters be legitimate threats as possible. Diversity at top level can only be healthy. Mid and low mid should be the goal to get everyone around.
I can't blame you guys claiming Goro needs NO buffs for forgetting Kuatan Warrior exists in the state that it's in, because most people forget that it exists at all anymore.
To say Tigrar and Fangs don't need a buff, you could argue that, but to say he needs no buffs, implying KW is fine, isn't even funny as a joke.
Maybe if people made a legitimate case for why he needs nothing I'd be on board, nothing has really been made.
You say that goro wins because people get impatient. That's the whole gameplan of goro. The point of goro is to get in your face and frustrate you with frame traps, build meter, use stomp as an anti zoning tool in the neutral. When you eventually press a button, counter you with armor or just punish in general. And he has all that and doesn't need more, like a better projectile or a fast advancing mid. It's exactly how piercing became the way she is.
Hitbox fixes should be a given for all characters, but if the character gets any more buffs that shoot him up the tier list, some of his dirt should go away to compensate. EX punchwalk should become unsafe.
You should quote people you're addressing so they can at least know to respond or not.
I'm fully aware of how his gameplan works, doesn't address the reality that when compared to the super meta relevant characters he is lacking in a lot of the notable ways.
Piercing got all of her weaknesses fixed, literally lost her having to take risks to poke out of pressure, godlike staggers added, updated zoning, etc. They literally erased the vast majority of her design flaws.
I didn't ask for anything unreasonable, just common sense design since he is on the precipice of being a threat, but is being held back due to these things. Nobody asked for anything over the top. Proper hitbox fixes, mids that are actually mids,nothing outside of the realm of reasonable.
Goro having a mid comparable to mids that other MID TIER characters have is totally fine. If it is not, are you saying that characters like Kotal and Cassie should lose their 9 and 10, 11 etc frame advancing mids? Just want some logic and consistency and why he isn't allowed to have one when there are characters who exist like A-List Cage and Swarm Queen D'Vorah who jail you off of their safe advancing mids?
You can reply with they have different tools and they do, but you also have to remember the following: D'Vorah and Cage have better hitboxes, less whiffing issues, more sustainable offense for less/auto replenishing investment, low profiling pokes, double digit plus frames etc. Goro's frame traps are +1 and +2 for example. He can get +12 for a bar (far more investment than run cancel pressure with far fewer options). Yet him having a mid that can compete is too much? He still would be meter reliant and wouldn't have insane jailing offense, there would still be the same meta, you could just actually hit with the big kids instead of getting out prioritized at far out ranges often.
If you would prefer to see significant nerfs across the board to the top and lower end of top then no, I would say Goro doesn't need anything at all either and agree. Is that actually going to happen though? I'll believe it when I see it.
I don't even think Goro is bad like some people here posting, but quality of life changes would not kill him or break him.
