Discussion MY MKXL PATCH LIST FOR KP3 (Post Yours)

[The_Tile]

I've quoted so many things as I've been reading through this thread and now there's that many I can't even be arsed replying to any of them.

If even most of these changes happened the game would be much worse off than it is now imo. Most of these seem un-thought-out and would just shift tiers without solving many of the real problems the game faces.

 

[JerzeyReign]

Mileena b12 -9? F1 -7? So, just destroy one of the few non 50/50 (or cancel pressure character) in the game mind games because ... reasons?

 

[the.hamburglar]

Mileena b12 -9? F1 -7? So, just destroy one of the few non 50/50 (or cancel pressure character) in the game mind games because ... reasons?

1,2 ball roll or 1 ex ball roll. F1,2 ball roll/ f1, ex ball roll. Im not saying her nerfs are just but she does have 50/50s

 

[the.hamburglar]

Does anyone else think that game is fine as it is and could survive if there were no more patches?

 

[JerzeyReign]

1,2 ball roll or 1 ex ball roll. F1,2 ball roll/ f1, ex ball roll. Im not saying her nerfs are just but she does have 50/50s

They aren't 50/50s breh ... you literally can stand block both of them.

Edit: You could mix a low sai in there for 12 string. And the f1, 2 string has a gap to armor. Sorry, was thinking f2,3. You're right about f1,2

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Mileena b12 -9? F1 -7? So, just destroy one of the few non 50/50 (or cancel pressure character) in the game mind games because ... reasons?

Yeah, she needs nerfs but that's too much.

 

[Tweedy]

Yeah this list kinda sucks.

It just encourages super fucked up setplay that NRS has kind of done a decent job getting away from. The Special Forces buffs, no nerfs to Demo stun grenades, reverting Cyrax back with just a damage reduction.

 

[ismael4790]

Mileena b12 -9? F1 -7? So, just destroy one of the few non 50/50 (or cancel pressure character) in the game mind games because ... reasons?

F1 has to be negative. Maybe not -7, but negative. Now it breaks armor, it works as a + on block stagger and continues with a safe string with mixup on every hit.

 

[JerzeyReign]

F1 has to be negative. Maybe not -7, but negative. Now it breaks armor, it works as a + on block stagger and continues with a safe string with mixup on every hit.

Its plus 2. I really don't see what it guarantees as most of her options off that stagger can be poked out of. On knockdown, it can be completely back dashed.

Not being demeaning or sarcastic when I ask: what follow ups does she have off that besides a mind game of continuing, throw or not doing it at all (on knockdown)? Just trying to see if there is something I can stick in my bag for later.

 

[The_Tile]

Not being demeaning or sarcastic when I ask: what follow ups does she have off that besides a mind game of continuing, throw or not doing it at all (on knockdown)? Just trying to see if there is something I can stick in my bag for later.

Poke.

And ofcourse it doesn't "guarantee" anything, that'd be ridiculous so don't use that talking point like it's a negative instead of a positive.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Its plus 2. I really don't see what it guarantees as most of her options off that stagger can be poked out of. On knockdown, it can be completely back dashed.

Not being demeaning or sarcastic when I ask: what follow ups does she have off that besides a mind game of continuing, throw or not doing it at all (on knockdown)? Just trying to see if there is something I can stick in my bag for later.

Well my character has 9 frame pokes and if she is plus 2 I basically have to respect whatever she does next. Anyone without a 6 frame move can't even trade with her D3 so they pretty much need to respect her. It only applies to a few characters, but it's less than preferable to say the least.

 

[ismael4790]

Its plus 2. I really don't see what it guarantees as most of her options off that stagger can be poked out of. On knockdown, it can be completely back dashed.

Not being demeaning or sarcastic when I ask: what follow ups does she have off that besides a mind game of continuing, throw or not doing it at all (on knockdown)? Just trying to see if there is something I can stick in my bag for later.

There shouldn't be armor breaking moves plus on block (specially if the char has 6f d1) and at the same time leading to safe string with mixups. If you don't see any problem with that man, I don't know what to tell you.

 

[21122]

I agree erron black could use a better mid. It would be cool to make F3 10 or 11 frame start up and make it a true mid cause it gets low profiled

For some reason though giving Erron a proper mid turns people off which I don't understand.

Making F3 a proper mid won't suddenly break him. All it will allow is to check people in the neutral or on ex-sand block and cancel into another ex-sand. If you're using outlaw, F3 ~ 4+2 and be at -8 on block. Can't speak for Marksman since I don't use that variation.

 

[Synesthesia Z]

i don't think much should be touched but IF we do get something id say make ancestral kj, mos raiden, drunken master bo, unbreakable sub, and inferno scorpion better

Why am i amongst very few that wants to see necromancer shinnok get some attention?

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

If i block lashers wake ups i want it to be a 100% punishable like scorpions teleport on block. You will always punish that but lashers have block stun, distance and are safer. If his BF2 Meter Burn, DB2 and DB2 Meter Burn were a 100% punishable then i would make DF1 Meter Burn safe on block to compensate cause its a mid and doesnt launch

The thing about bf1 is that it is his weakest armor. As a lasher main your primary 2 armored moves are ex whip trip and ex whip strike. Because they are consistent and they both have mind games. Exbf1 is only used in extremely specific situations like fly example punishing mystic ermac. It is most certainly not a wake up move. You can't combo it if the opponent jumped so you get limited damage compared to the other options, the opponent can low profile or neutral duck it and whiff punish. Whip trip and whip strike give mind games as well as more consistent damage. Since ex whip trip can be confirmed for about 30% and whip strike does 25% raw damage against a jumping opponent. When I say he needs bf1 to be -12 I say he needs it for his neutral game to be paired with b21 and d+f+1, etc. Lashers 50/50s are good but they are not the reason you play him, just make exwhip trip punishable as hell and you get rid of the problem of safe 50/50. Make everything he has unsafe again and you revert him back to day one garbage.

 

[imblackjames]

Why am i amongst very few that wants to see necromancer shinnok get some attention?

i want him to get attention to but the characters i listed i think are much worse than him and need it first

 

[colby4898]

I like the attitude. I seen your profile "special forces up player" lol

ha ha thanks, severely underrated character. I think that's just cos of demo being so good though.

 

[colby4898]

If you can get past sorcerors zoning hes not that much of a problem. Its a lot easier to rush down quan then it is for quan to zone you. Its only scary if he opens you up but when you knock him down the match could be over

It's true is zoning in nothing amazing, but the armour also makes his pressure better because it essentially makes things plus. Trying to punish or poke will just be absorbed demanding respect.
I think his meter drain spell is good, it has a use now. What now imo doesn't have a use is the chip spell. It's only useful in the corner when you have 3 meters (which in my experience seems rare to get into the corner with 3 bars because you need bar to make it safe), and even then 14 ex skull 14 doesn't jail if crouch blocked. I think a change to chip spell would be better.
Maybe something like a faster start up that it can be activated in trance, but only a 2x chip boost instead of 3x.
He also lost his pressure from the ex rune in the last patch. You can use ex skull but if it hits you get nothing from it. Making it launch slightly higher so you can land a far rune I think would be a fair buff. Making his damage somehting like starter+17%
Air skulls being overhead, why not. I don't think that would make much difference to his zoning.

 

[champdee]

Ok, mournful went down after this patch due to other characters getting stronger and she actually got nerfed, ex glaive return NEEDS to be back to how it was.. not like prepatch tanya i mean c'mon, makes no real sense.. shes a rushdown variant.. s4 buff is dumb, can't even cancel from it... all she needs is honestly glaive return like the way it was, and lil more hit adv on d1

 

[Hara-Killer]

Give Reptile a Lizzard Dash Ex comand Grab +2 + R2

 

[D7X]

Give Reptile a Lizzard Dash Ex comand Grab +2 + R2

Why does everyone keep down playing Reptile? He's fine where he is. Solid character

 

[Hara-Killer]

Why does everyone keep down playing Reptile? He's fine where he is. Solid character

yeah but giving Reptile an comand grab can put him in S tier at least one time in his LIFE

or put EX basilisk time a little longer

 

[D7X]

yeah but giving Reptile an comand grab can put him in S tier at least one time in his LIFE

or put EX basilisk time a little longer

He's completely fine. No point in putting him in S... Though this may not even put him S anyway

 

[Hara-Killer]

He's completely fine. No point in putting him in S... Though this may not even put him S anyway

Dunno bruh HIISS BOY need some buffs , buff noxious at least.

 

[D7X]

Dunno bruh HIISS BOY need some buffs , buff noxious at least.

Noxious would be the only variation of Reptile that could use the smallest buff. Noxious is still ok though. Reptile doesn't need buffs, really. What buffs are you talking about? He's strong A to A+ (?) tier