ismael4790
Stay focused or get Caged
Yeah, it makes no sense at all. Every special after 211's last hit will whiff.
Yeah, it makes no sense at all. Every special after 211's last hit will whiff.
The most utility I get out of it is a hit confirm into tele, then B1. If your opponent likes to wake up armor, the B1 will break many characters' wake up, otherwise you can pressure. If it's blocked, I usually cancel into OH or low totem, or leave it alone at -5.
If you cancel 211 into teleport you can "safe jump" wake up attacks, even Kung Lao's spin (haven't tried Reptile's wake ups yet, but will today).
I never bother with B1 to break armor on wake up because if the opponent does a delayed wake up instead of a wake up attack you can find yourself at frame disadvantage or punished.
Your mileage may vary, but I have never been consistently punished for using this setup immediately after the tele.
Most definitely. I started ending some of my bread and butters with 211 xx Teleport to sustain momentum and bait reversals on wake up in match ups that make the most sense to use it (I wouldn't use it in the Mileena matchup, for example).
Also if you end any decent gravity combo with 211tele then you are at a huge frame disadvantage. It's a really bad string haha.
I may be wrong, but this doesn't seem accurate. The last hit of 211 is a SKD - after the tele, not even Reptile's EX slide or Cassie's flipkick can come out before Kenshi's turn. What combos are you referring to, or what am I missing?
You do have tech roll on? When I was labbing it months ago I remember tempest lao and cassie flipkick beating it on a long combo. Try f21exdrop, f32exdrop, 211tele. Put them on tech roll and wakeup and see what happens. I hope I'm wrong but I remember it being no good.
If your opponent is tech rolling, then yes - you are 100% correct that Kenshi is at a frame disadvantage. Barring that, ending combos with 211 xx tele usually leaves Kenshi in an advantageous position. Of course, this is all academic because, practically speaking, most Possessed players will likely choose to cash out the damage in that situation rather than continuing to pressure.
Depends on what environment you are trying to use Kenshi in. IMO...
Possessed by a long shot. Kenjutsu is okay I guess. And the existence of Balanced is simply ironic at this point.
I hear possessed is the best a lot but what is making it better than balanced specifically?
Safety, mobility with the teleport, and the damage per bar spent, not to mention the Demon Push is probably the best zoning tool between Kenshi's 3 variations.
Totally agree about Possessed shoulder, but it does more damage per bar than Balanced or Kenjutsu? In Balanced, for example, you can get 40%+ off one bar mid screen and 40%+ for no bar in the corner.
That was my understanding, too, though I thought maybe there was some crazy, hard-to-pull off, optimized combo I didn't know about. IIRC, max one bar, mid-screen damage for Possessed is ~38%, Kenjutsu is ~40%, and Balanced is ~42%.
It really depends on how you are meaning "better" and how you like to play. Possessed has safer specials, but is more meter hungry, the teleport can be neutralized pretty easily by a backdash or NJP, and the mixup game is not great. Balanced can do really good meterless damage, but the specials are very unsafe, and the mix up game is terrible. Kenjutsu has 50/50's but no good zoning tools and unsafe specials.
100% agree. In fact, for someone just picking up Kenshi, I would even recommend using variationless for a while to get a feel for his neutral game, such that it is. My learning progression with Kenshi went Possessed -> Variationless -> Kenjutsu -> Balanced, and I think I saw the most improvements in my neutral game when I couldn't rely on ranged specials.