General/Other - Smoke XL Robo Smoke Discussion Thread

[boba_buster]

Nice

Safe invisible set up for baiting reversals not optimal dmg still a work in progress but in the meantime what do you guys think?

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

Who are bad matchups for Smoke?

 

[Espio]

Sub-zero, Mileena and Goro come to mind off the top of my head. Ranging from hard to slight disadvantage.

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

Sub-zero, Mileena and Goro come to mind off the top of my head. Ranging from hard to slight disadvantage.

GM Sub right?

 

[xKhaoTik]

GM Sub right?

Yes GM destroys smoke

 

[Jhonnykiller45]

Alright cool thanks.

 

[GinTonicTrain]

Who are bad matchups for Smoke?

Blood God Kotal

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

Never had trouble w Goro as smoke. Phase gets around a lot of what he wants to do.

GM sub vs smoke worse matchup in the game tho IMO lol. Smoke can't do shit.

 

[MajinBerserker]

EX Phase through Klone. Frozen boyz. Much lolz.

 

[boba_buster]

Playing around with ending the vortex in spear>phase , anyone else experimented with that?

 

[supernumian]

Who are bad matchups for Smoke?

I played against a good Bo Rai Cho and fart and ex fart can limit Smoke mobility and teleporting around the arena.
Don't think if it's a bad matchup but can give troubles.

 

[boba_buster]

If someone is njp'ing the gap in f13xxsmoke cloud the you can use f131xxphase away
Probly known already but f131 is special cancelable

 

[Jeffrey Wolf]

@boba_buster, you have a lot of informative posts. Much appreciated.

 

[boba_buster]

@boba_buster, you have a lot of informative posts. Much appreciated.

Nah apparently smoke should just be played with mindless unsafe 50/50's
Thanks tho

 

[Jeffrey Wolf]

Lol, I saw that argument and understand what you're talking about: of course there's a 50/50, but sometimes you want mix in the jailing instead. It's not a tough concept to grasp.

 

[21122]

Been playing smoke for a week now and my game plan in any match is just YOLO until the end. Been working well for me lol.

 

[God Confirm]

Nah apparently smoke should just be played with mindless unsafe 50/50's
Thanks tho

Lol, I saw that argument and understand what you're talking about: of course there's a 50/50, but sometimes you want mix in the jailing instead. It's not a tough concept to grasp.

you guys are deadset clowns.


The low does jail.

Tough concept to grasp indeed.

 

[boba_buster]

Hehe

 

[ArmageddonUMK]

what in the lord's name are we supposed to do against takeda? His pokes seem to annihilate smoke's, and once he gets a that string going (idk the buttons it's the one that hits overhead at the end with his whip) into ex kunai, I don't know how to get out. Phase doesn't work, nor does it work getting off the ground due to the huge reach, giving you phase forward as the only wakeup option, or get sucked back into pressure. I just played a takeda in esl challenger and it honestly felt unwinnable. Worse than gm sub zero. Help please. Yes this is a salty post.

 

[Geoffmeister]

what in the lord's name are we supposed to do against takeda? His pokes seem to annihilate smoke's, and once he gets a that string going (idk the buttons it's the one that hits overhead at the end with his whip) into ex kunai, I don't know how to get out. Phase doesn't work, nor does it work getting off the ground due to the huge reach, giving you phase forward as the only wakeup option, or get sucked back into pressure. I just played a takeda in esl challenger and it honestly felt unwinnable. Worse than gm sub zero. Help please. Yes this is a salty post.

That MU is actually pretty OK for Smoke, I'd say 5-5.
The string you mean f122+4 into Kunai used to have a gap, it doesn't anymore, and there's no gap for EX Kunai either (unless delayed)*, just gotta make him whiff so using Phase Forward is your best option, prioritize your meter to this Special, and if you see him delay EX Kunai for a HTB setup, use EX Phase to get out, practice this on reaction.
Also, if you're getting hit by his pokes too often, I'd suggest using F21 or F4 strings, as he has no low-profiling option.
Another thing to note is that B21 will whiff on Takeda crouchblocking, UNLESS the B2 hit him on (crouch)block, so you CANNOT do B21 on WHIFF, keep that in mind.
Lastly, Takeda is one of the very few characters that can punish your Smoke Bomb (after a string) relatively easy, so don't be predictable with it

EDIT: there IS a gap after f122+4 EX Kunai however, f122+4 follow up by Takeda beats Phase Forward

 

[ILuvFightGames]

Smokes f34 I find catches many off guard, it's -11 though so is it safe usually? Can it be punished? Because it's weird usually when I do it and the opponent blocks if we both go for example an uppercut (d2) I land before my opponent does.

 

[boba_buster]

Smokes f34 I find catches many off guard, it's -11 though so is it safe usually? Can it be punished? Because it's weird usually when I do it and the opponent blocks if we both go for example an uppercut (d2) I land before my opponent does.

It seems like when you delay the 4 input it's makes it less negative but I never have bothered much labbing it

 

[Harlequin969]

So there's been a lot of Smoke making it's way into CEO this weekend. Is Smoke that good or is it lack of character knowledge in the same way that HT Lao has taken matches off people? I personally think it's lack of experience against the character that lets people get away with a lot of this.

Sure player skill is taken in and they play these characters at a very high level but honestly these guys are getting away with a lot.

 

[Geoffmeister]

So there's been a lot of Smoke making it's way into CEO this weekend. Is Smoke that good or is it lack of character knowledge in the same way that HT Lao has taken matches off people? I personally think it's lack of experience against the character that lets people get away with a lot of this.

Sure player skill is taken in and they play these characters at a very high level but honestly these guys are getting away with a lot.

Smoke's good, I wouldn't say on par with the current top tier but more positive MU's than negative. I've also noticed the lack of MU knowledge during the tournaments, even still.. knowing what to do versus Smoke can mostly be adapted to so I'm looking forward to Evo.
Either way, props to PL for committing to Smoke, it was looking good. Would really liked to have seen his set vs Hayatei.

 

[ILuvFightGames]

So would you guys say smoke is the strongest triborg variation?