DLC plans + pay to unlock

[God Confirm]

Hardly, Capcom does worse shit than NRS lol...fact. I think some people need to look up the definition of the word optional.

I think you need to look up the definition of P2W. I'm not making any statement on Capcom, this isn't a comparison between the two, and I've noticed you have a massive hard on for hating on Capcom so I'm not going to get in to this. "Optional" is kind of a prerequisite for P2W, otherwise, it's just "what we are selling you", in which case it would be "day 1 DLC".

 

[Daemantalo]

The thing is, so far, you get the gears randomly so maybe you never get the gear you want, and there are thousands and thousands of gears if what Boon said is true.

I'd have to hear more about the gear system, and also, I would have to hear more about the type of gamemodes that will be implemented within Injustice 2. If there is a "no gear/default gear" matchmaking queue, then that is what I will play primarily. Thing is, I don't think NRS would be that cruel to have a stat system where one guy who is just starting to use gear goes up against a min-maxer who has all pieces unlocked and leveled for almost every single match-up thought possible. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[MKF30]

I think you need to look up the definition of P2W. I'm not making any statement on Capcom, this isn't a comparison between the two, and I've noticed you have a massive hard on for hating on Capcom so I'm not going to get in to this. "Optional" is kind of a prerequisite for P2W, otherwise, it's just "what we are selling you", in which case it would be "day 1 DLC".

I think you need to look up optional and that it's not P2W when you can unlock everything for FREE. I get that but you act as if NRS is the worst fighting company when it comes to money and that's far from the truth, no more a hard on than you hating on NRS.

It's not prerequisite, it's optional meaning you HAVE THE CHOICE to spend money to get this stuff or you can unlock it by playing. and optional MT's aren't DLC....prerequisite means you HAVE to do something, you don't have to buy it, you can unlock it by grinding for free. So you'd be ok with say having no optional MT's for all gear, right ok let's say it's just unlockable what about people who play few days a week vs. someone who plays every day and they go up against a level 70 while they're 10? That's fair? Or would it be better if NRS gives everyone the option to buy/get this stuff one way or another and put everyone on more equal footing? Think about that.

Besides, you hate the gear system right? You obviously don't support it which is fine, but why not just play the tournament/serious barebones mode? It's like you want everything for free, don't want the option to buy all gear and think people who buy it mean automatic advantage? Boon said there's thousands of pieces you think people will figure out and have all the same day one? Week one? What about patches, updates etc that can easily make this stuff weaker? or just play the normal non-gear modes, I don't get the problem here.

 

[aldazo]

Why can't I play with gear but not have to deal with people who buy level 8 flaming sword of Paulo?

@STORMS please give us the "Winner" rating back .

 

[God Confirm]

I get that but you act as if NRS is the worst fighting company when it comes to money and that's far from the truth, no more a hard on than you hating on NRS.

yes, I just "hate" on NRS so hard, all I ever do is hate on them


Except for, you know, the fact that I don't

https://testyourmight.com/threads/customize-folks-with-gear-and-lootcrates-nrs-has-a-base-tourney-mode-for-us-confirmed.60526/page-7#post-2117019

^^ exact same topic, Before it was announced to be a pay-to-win model

I'm not a fanboy like you, I give my genuine feedback to the statements that they give us, I am a big NRS fan but I'm not going to blindly whiteknight for them and pretend something isn't what it is.

I think you need to look up optional and that it's not P2W when you can unlock everything for FREE.

You're in fucking denial lol. That's what pay-to-win IS.

 

[Tweedy]

As much as it sucks @God Confirm is 100% right(not that he's right, he's cool, but that it sounds like P2W).

I'm just hoping the gear will be basically meaningless, like on KI. I mean if it's not, how will it work at tournaments? Will there be a gear fee at each tournament to get your customized character? There's also the possibility of a tournament mode or whatever without gear, right?

What sucks about this, is that WE KNOW, that something as complicated as the gears system can do nothing positive for balance and tournaments.

 

[God Confirm]

As much as it sucks @God Confirm is 100% right(not that he's right, he's cool, but that it sounds like P2W).

I'm just hoping the gear will be basically meaningless, like on KI. I mean if it's not, how will it work at tournaments? Will their be a gear fee at each tournament to get your customized character? There's also the possibility of a tournament mode or whatever without gear, right?

What sucks about this, is that WE KNOW, that something as complicated as the gears system can do nothing positive for balance and tournaments.

I think Boon said there will be a tournament mode

still to be seen how they implement this, I'm not gonna write them off yet. They did well with the Krypt.

 

[MKF30]

yes, I just "hate" on NRS so hard, all I ever do is hate on them


Except for, you know, the fact that I don't

https://testyourmight.com/threads/customize-folks-with-gear-and-lootcrates-nrs-has-a-base-tourney-mode-for-us-confirmed.60526/page-7#post-2117019

^^ exact same topic, Before it was announced to be a pay-to-win model

I'm not a fanboy like you, I give my genuine feedback to the statements that they give us, I am a big NRS fan but I'm not going to blindly whiteknight for them and pretend something isn't what it is.








You're in fucking denial lol. That's what pay-to-win IS.

I'm not in denial, I'm just not ignorant lol. You sure like pulling the fanboy card out often in your debates huh? lol You know what they say, the first person to bring up the term is typically a fanboy themselves.

Lol you're giving me "Urban dictionary" definitions? Shit entirely made up by people and slang? I'm done lmao...

I'm no more a fanboy than you are a hater, I just know my shit, plus you're on an MK site so stop pulling the dumb "fanboy" card it makes you look like a hypocritical tool.

Ok so you don't HATE NRS but you're just whining over something stupid because it's freaking OPTIONAL!!

Let me give you a REAL definition of something now from an actual dictionary.

op·tion·al
ˈäpSH(ə)n(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: optional

1. 
   
   
   • available to be chosen but not obligatory.
     "a wide range of optional excursions is offered"
     synonyms: voluntary, discretionary, not required, elective, noncompulsory, nonmandatory; More
     
     antonyms: compulsory, mandatory, required

GG's

And yes Boon said there will be a tournament mode for the millionth time....those worrying about it.

6:50 in Boon confirmed a Tournament mode as well as separate online options, so you're not forced to play JUST gears....

 

[aldazo]

I'm just hoping the gear will be basically meaningless, like on KI.

I was hoping for all gears enabled. If you think about it, it is almost like variations in MKX, but instead of fixed variations they allowed you to build a costume variation. In MKX tournaments you can choose whatever variation you want , like Dragon playing Tarkatan while Sonic playing Acidic, or Pnut playing War god and Madzin Blood god; except now, for example, Dragon will play custom Flash 1, Sonic custom Flash 2, REO custom Flash 3, etc. One could think that there will be a custom Flash 34 that will overshadow the rest Flashes, but with thousands of Gears I doubt it. The only BIG problem is that balancing it will be a nightmare, that I think is the reason everyone is against it.

 

[God Confirm]

Lol you're giving me "Urban dictionary" definitions? Shit entirely made up by people and slang? I'm done lmao...

Ok so you don't HATE NRS but you're just whining over something stupid because it's freaking OPTIONAL!!

Let me give you a REAL definition of something now from an actual dictionary.

op·tion·al
ˈäpSH(ə)n(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: optional

1. 
   
   
   • available to be chosen but not obligatory.
     "a wide range of optional excursions is offered"
     synonyms: voluntary, discretionary, not required, elective, noncompulsory, nonmandatory; More
     
     antonyms: compulsory, mandatory, required

GG's

And yes Boon said there will be a tournament mode for the millionth time....those worrying about it.

6:50 in Boon confirmed a Tournament mode as well as separate online options, so you're not forced to play JUST gears....

i also gave you a screenshot of the top definitions google came back with and even the ones under it all said the same but I see you've conveniently ignored that, and still haven't bothered looking up what P2W is. And urbandictionary is a site for explaining colloquialisms of things not found in dictionaries, something you have clearly used it for yourself recognized the site at a glance, so it's really not that out of place here even if it WAS the only definition I provided....

regardless, if all the definitions on the internet for P2W are somehow wrong, care to fill me in on what it is you are defining as P2W? Because that doesn't even make sense.
If there is no option to pay to grind out for free the in-game advantages that are available for sale, then it's no longer a pay-to-win model. That's just you paying for DLC.

I'm not in denial, I'm just not ignorant lol. You sure like pulling the fanboy card out often in your debates huh? lol You know what they say, the first person to bring up the term is typically a fanboy themselves.

Lol you're giving me "Urban dictionary" definitions? Shit entirely made up by people and slang? I'm done lmao...

I'm no more a fanboy than you are a hater, I just know my shit, plus you're on an MK site so stop pulling the dumb "fanboy" card it makes you look like a hypocritical tool.

Wow there's literally nothing correct in your post, not even your slander. You are literally the first and only person on this site I've ever called a fanboy.

I caleld you one because you are the same guy I once saw arguing that people have no right to complain about the netcode, etc, always jocking NRS hard af

 

[God Confirm]

inb4 MKF30 defines brutalities as "psychological advantage" and claims this is no different to the krypt

 

[MKF30]

I also gave you a screenshot of the top definitions google came back with and even the ones under it all said the same but I see you've conveniently ignored that, and still haven't bothered looking up what P2W is. And urbandictionary is a site for explaining colloquialisms of things not found in dictionaries, something you have clearly used it for yourself recognized the site at a glance, so it's really not that out of place here even if it WAS the only definition I provided....

regardless, if all the definitions on the internet for P2W are somehow wrong, care to fill me in on what it is you are defining as P2W? Because that doesn't even make sense




Wow there's literally nothing correct in your post, not even your slander. You are literally the first and only person on this site I've ever called a fanboy.


I call you one because you are the same guy I once saw arguing that people have no right to complain about the netcode, etc, and the fact that I see you whiteknighting for NRS everytime you post, and the fact that when you get proved wrong, you quickly start arguing just for the sake of not being wrong even when your logic digs you into a deeper into a hole with every post. Kinda like what you are doing now, by needing to rewrite every definition of pay-to-win found online to mean something entirely different, that wouldn't even make sense even if it was how the word was used, just to avoid admitting that this might actually be exactly what it says it is.

No you gave me a screenshot of slangsites, fake dictionary sites like Urban Dictionary etc

That's not real dictionary sites like the one I've given you. The fact that it's referred to as "P2W" proves my point alone, there is no real word P2W, that would be paying to win. Yes like I said, Urban dictionary is a made up site for SLANG terms as in made up by people, not real words as in part of the actual English language, example you say "he looks mad ill" or "he looks cray cray" yeah....not real words. But by all means kid, keep using "urban dictionary" site as a credible source for an argument lol. What's next, you're going to tell me MSNBC is a credible source for political news?

Yes there is my post is 100% correct, yours is the one off. You're wrong because me being an oldschool fan of MK and understanding how optional MT's work doesn't make me a "fanboy" So you find facts slander? Interesting but still wrong, but you're welcomed to believe whatever you wish. Doesn't matter to me, I think Ed Boon's confirmation is more credible than your flawed opinions about the gear system.

You come off as a hater yet you pose as a "fan" but yet bitch over everything NRS does, a pattern of yours I've noticed. On topics I don't even post in but observe you arguing with various people on here correcting you daily.

Really? So what about the SEVERAL other posters on here "whiteknighting" for NRS who agree with my posts then? I guess they're all fanboys too right? Right...more like you're trying to target me but that shit won't fly, I know trolls when I see one and you fall under that, you pretend to be a fan or follower or supporter of NRS then bitch over everything they do because it doesn't fit your needs, yeah that netcode thing you misuderstood my point then and now still I see. I always said it could improve but I also pointed out that i wasn't the ONLY game to have a bad or laggy netcode, you some how translated that into =only NRS games are laggy!! But either way it's fixed now so you're moving onto other shit to bitch about.

You're the one in denial, but by all means dude keep crying a river over it, you're still going to buy the damn game and majority on here disagree with you otherwise you and the other dude wouldn't be arguing with half the site over your daily posts. lol @ Ed Boon interview confirming himself and actual dictionary being "slander" incorrect, it's FACT. Get over it.

inb4 MKF30 defines brutalities as "psychological advantage" and claims this is no different to the krypt

This makes zero sense...keep trolling brah.

 

[God Confirm]

your whole argument here makes zero fuckin sense to anybody who bothered to read it


"give me an oxford definition for a colloquialism not published in any dictionary, or else it means whatever I want it to mean, and guess what, I want it to mean the exact opposite of how the term is used by everyone"


thats impossible to debate, so I'll catch you on the flipside. slang.

 

[MKF30]

It makes more sense than your flawed argument kid. Keep on denying the facts, it doesn't change them. My sources are valid, yours aren't. End of story.

lol have fun relying on your "urban dictionary" in life bro, yeah...thanks for reminding me why I blocked you the first time around. I see you haven't changed at all so later mr. urban.

*goes to ignore God Confirm*

 

[Rathalos]

It is pay to win.
It's not the most egregious I have seen, but it is what it is.

Most on this site won't care because they will just play the gearless version of ranked.
Casual won't care because they eat this shit up.

But it does suck for some of us who might just want to tip our toes in the gear stuff on occasion when we are bored.

As what Boon has said, it's going to take months and months to unlock all this shit.
Maybe that was the original plan for it, or maybe they want to drip feed it to encourage whales to buy some kombat gold.

I know MKX's krypt felt like it was balanced around the option of being able to pay to unlock it.

As long as you can mostly ignore it, or get stuff the slow way, you can sorta ignore it, but on principal it's still kinda gross.

 

[trufenix]

Even if they provide a mode where gear isn't a factor- gear looks fun. I'd like to be able to play in a mode that has it, but not be at a disadvantage to people who paid for better gear. Saying "there's a competitive mode" isn't really enough.

Why can't I play with gear but not have to deal with people who buy level 8 flaming sword of Paulo?

I get that we are information starved, but really this kind of post from a competent site member really makes me feel that the hyperbole is completely out of control. Literally no game works this way. No one would design a game that works that way. Not that they expect people to actually play.

 

[QUAN-FUSION]

You're missing the point and using a strawman. Paying for a competitive advantage is a big no-no in a game that tries to take itself seriously in the FGC. We don't even know if there will be a game mode online for no gear stats so it could very well be that people who purchase this unlock have an advantage for day 1 online.

Coding a "If paid unlock X" bit of code isn't extra work that should amount to compensation so the whole "they should be compensated for their work" argument is bullshit. It technically isn't even DLC since you're not downloading any new content.

The most important thing you're missing is that, like the Krypt in MKX, the grind to unlock everything is intentionally padded to make it more enticing for people to pay for the unlock. Yes it is for people who don't want to put in the time to get it but that's missing the point that it doesn't have to be designed in the manner to begin with. It's scummy as is, but it's exponentially more scummy when involves a competitive advantage. This WILL come back to haunt them either at release or in a big pre-release press conference where this gets more coverage, especially if there is no tournament mode online play. It came back to haunt every game that has done that to my memory, most recently Battlefront with the pre-order super pistol.



That is about Goro and other DLC characters. It in no way pertains to the Krypt unlock and his argument in the blog can't even be applied to the Krypt unlock.

Thank you! This guy gets it.

Not even sort of what I was implying, I'm talking about micro transactions.

Well microtransactions are not dlc now are they?

I can list egretiously difficult unlocks in games too, see?;

http://www.gamesradar.com/top-7-amazing-unlockables-are-nearly-impossible-unlock/

You think those were all designed for fun? You think the publishers of those games aren't kicking themselves for not being able to charge people for a shortcut to those?

You asked a question, I answered it. Don't switch the point because you don't like the answer.

I'm fine with it, it's optional and not everyone will have 24/7 to invest playing like @Euphoric said. To those who don't like it, don't buy the game or the MT's grind it out but please don't bitch about it either...Even Ed Boon said in an interview during E3 "not everyone may have the time or want to grind it out etc"

The whole "that's how they make more money blah, blah" is moot since they ALL want to make money, all games have DLC, all games cost money to begin with. Let me ask those complaining, you make a game you'll charge nothing for it? Bullshit lol, that's a lot of hard work, hours spent going into these games. I think people take it for granted.



Exactly, I don't get why some people live in the past when it was entirely different era for video games yet people act as if they have a gun to their head to buy the game, DLC and MT's when it's all optional. I mean it's not like they're making you buy locked on disc costumes and real endings or offer the game for free yet force you to buy more characters like some other companies out there. But apparently some folks are whining about optional MT's. SMH.

Honestly this is almost as bad a reason to hate on the game as something I read on YT other day(which was way worse) few people casuals no doubt bitched because they didn't like how the guys animation is when he loses he gets up then falls to his knees...a few even said they wouldn't buy it cause of that, I was like wow seriously? lol That had to be the dumbest thing I've read since someone complaining about Flash's lips and ass from Injustice 1....

Just... STFU, you are being wilfully ignorant.
I explained why the 'options' are a purposely designed illusion and you have decided to ignore that to recite the same bullshit.
And I am so sick of the ' don't like it, don't play it' rhetoric. I have a right to complain about something I care about it when I see it being abused, I don't have to stand idly by and just accept it.

 

[omooba]

They design it in such a way that grinding is monotonous and incompletable so you feel inclined to pay.

yeah a company that donates tens of thousands to tournaments just wants your money

 

[trufenix]

You asked a question, I answered it. Don't switch the point because you don't like the answer.

You actually wanted me to answer how long it takes to unlock a gun or boat in cod/gta? Is this relevant?

 

[MKF30]

Just... STFU, you are being wilfully ignorant.
I explained why the 'options' are a purposely designed illusion and you have decided to ignore that to recite the same bullshit.
And I am so sick of the ' don't like it, don't play it' rhetoric. I have a right to complain about something I care about it when I see it being abused, I don't have to stand idly by and just accept it.

No how about you STFU, you're the one ignorant that's why nobody agrees with you in that other thread so just stop....

Stop bitching and crying already, don't like it even though it's fucking optional DON'T BUY THE GAME! Period. Nobody's forcing you, but nobody wants to hear your whining either.

Why? Because the truth hurts? Well it's just that, the TRUTH. Who's forcing you to buy the game, do tell ok well if you want to complain then at least complain about something relevant and not taken out of context.

Like I said in the other thread, it's a lot of work to make these games, they worked on it for 2 years....you think you can do better? You think they shouldn't charge anything for their hard work? Didn't think so, so either buy the game and accept it as it is and wait for further info or please just be quiet and don't buy the damn game already.

 

[God Confirm]

Stop being so dramatic. The gear isn't for competetive play.

It's merely a pay-to-get-things-faster-model, not P2W. Jeez.

what is it that you think pay-to-win is?

You don't literally spend money = become unbeatable, you spend money to get the same gear obtainable by everyone, just faster..... every pay-to-win game fits this description and every definition describes pay to win as being this. You don't even have to take my word for it:

https://www.google.com.au/?client=opera#q=pay+to+win+definition

 

[trufenix]

No how about you STFU, you're the one ignorant that's why nobody agrees with you in that other thread so just stop....

Dude, just bail. I can only assume he was maybe beaten up by some kids he raided in Clash and just never recovered.

 

[Rathalos]

You actually wanted me to answer how long it takes to unlock a gun or boat in cod/gta? Is this relevant?

lol
I was really confused for a second.

 

[aldazo]

You actually wanted me to answer how long it takes to unlock a gun or boat in cod/gta? Is this relevant?

I think you quoted the wrong guy, Rathalos didnt say that.

 

[QUAN-FUSION]

yeah a company that donates tens of thousands to tournaments just wants your money

All companies want your money.
You could consider their contributions as advertising.

You actually wanted me to answer how long it takes to unlock a gun or boat in cod/gta? Is this relevant?

It was obviously rhetorical to establish a point that I do think it's harder now. You didn't refute this.

No how about you STFU, you're the one ignorant that's why nobody agrees with you in that other thread so just stop....

Stop bitching and crying already, don't like it even though it's fucking optional DON'T BUY THE GAME! Period. Nobody's forcing you, but nobody wants to hear your whining either.

Why? Because the truth hurts? Well it's just that, the TRUTH. Who's forcing you to buy the game, do tell ok well if you want to complain then at least complain about something relevant and not taken out of context.

Like I said in the other thread, it's a lot of work to make these games, they worked on it for 2 years....you think you can do better? You think they shouldn't charge anything for their hard work? Didn't think so, so either buy the game and accept it as it is and wait for further info or please just be quiet and don't buy the damn game already.

There is literally no point in discussing anything with you. You are just a broken record with no substance. Kid.