PND_Ketchup
"More deadly than the dawn"
Nothing has triggered me on TYM as much as this thread
lol never said safe launching armor, because aliens EX Tail Flip is not safe, but it is an Armored launcher ill give you that.What are the characters with safe launching armoured moves?
Cryomancer (but that's slow as fuck), Raiden (but it's a high) and Goro (punch walk is probably the best move in the game but Goro needs it). Who else has safe, launching armour?
its most certaionly not braindead. its a move thats safe on block. he isn't plus after using it, he doesn't get another turn or anything, people throw out this braindead to much. more than half the cast have safe mixups, its absurd to act like this one move is brain dead, in fact its startup is kind of slow, in fact on its own it can be interrupted by counter pokes and many normals.It's a braindead 50/50 - most characters in the game can't punish Alien's regular flip, so, he'll do that 50/50 over and over again, and the regular flip is an hard knockdown.
It's -13 no?Crystalline.
When timed correctly, you cannot backdash, armor, or poke out of delayed rekkas which in turn you are jailing them. Which makes then safe, and the low ender +2what you mean by jailing rekkas? you talking as in jailing from strings into rekka's? also tailflips armor should stay, it can have at least one universal armored launcher.
EX db1d is -5 I believe.It's -13 no?
Actually people did know how to armor out of Tanya's rekkas, it's just that you got fucked for doing it and got armor broken anyway unless the Tanya player was being greedy.Tanya got nerfed because you guys didn't know how to armor out of rekkas, please stop
interesting. video proof?No he's right. With correct delayed timing, you can jail the low ender and be +2 . that's why dragon always does a d1 after his low ender
I can when i get off work. I thought reo updated his post here? Damn i didn't know they were trying to keep in hidden lolinteresting. video proof?
Character dicussions always descend into people bitchinn about cage. Half the stuff you're saying is what im saying but you're missing the point. other characters have mixup strings, alien has mixup strings with mixup specials on top, one of which is safe. Oh and his low overhead have rediculous range.back up a bit. i never said Cage had both oh and low's that where safe. just was saying the OH and it says it in tmy post clearly.
and you left out quite a bit of characters that have safe oh's and or Low's
point was they wher not talking about BF4 being a safe low and OH they where talking about it being a safe special that hits OH, and i said many charcaters have this why is that even remotely close to broken or in any need of fixing?
again why are you freaking out on me?
i seen someone say something incorrect about alien and i corrected it by giving a correct comparison. A character that has a safe OH.
nothing aginst your charcater wiggy, i was simply letting some others know that Alien like many others on this game have safe mixup options and i used Cage and many others as an example.
if your freaking out thinking im making cage sound just like alien thats not what im doing, even though johnny is top 5, im not trying to get anyone nerfed, clearly as all my above posts show.
you shouldn't worry about your cage. my point actually would strengthen that cage doesn't deserve a nerf for his Safe overhead, because Many characters have the same thing.
my point was if almost everyone has safe mixups why would you nerf one character for having what others clearly have.
ohh now im bitching about cage..lmao, i never did such a thing. i could have but never did. name one post in this thread where im bitching about him. if anyone is throwing out false statements its you sir.Character dicussions always descend into people bitchinn about cage. Half the stuff you're saying is what im saying but you're missing the point. other characters have mixup strings, alien has mixup strings with mixup specials on top, one of which is safe. Oh and his low overhead have rediculous range.
My point is Saying 'cage has a safe overhead so aliens fine' is moronic because cage has no block breaking special, he has no proper mixup.
Name another character that has a pretty much half screen low and 1/3screen overhead that can go into another special mixup? And only being unsafe on OH into low if spaced properly. Then he has that rediculous string with the low in the middle which he can hitconfirm into his rekkas. So you basically need to eat a free overhead if he touches you with it.
Lets not even go into his damage output and footsies. dont blindly bitch about cage
Make tail flip mid (this means f134 can stay low)
Change hitbox or startup of j2, it's insane
Reduce blockstun on b3 so it doesn't jail into rekkas or tail flip (make him at least take a risk if he wants to instantly get in from 3/4 screen)
Honestly this isn't the tanya treatment but it would make alien a lot more fair. He keeps tail flip as a way to end strings safely but he won't be mixing you up with it anymore, he won't have a 50/50 on wakeup anymore, he won't win 100% of air to airs with j2, and he will have to think before using b3 to get in.
She gets a counter-poke situation - flip on block into an armored attack.its most certaionly not braindead. its a move thats safe on block. he isn't plus after using it, he doesn't get another turn or anything, people throw out this braindead to much.
Mention those safe mixups.more than half the cast have safe mixups, its absurd to act like this one move is brain dead,
The low is 21f and the flip is 18f, so, it's just 3 frames of difference, so maybe there's no way to fuzzy guard it.in fact its startup is kind of slow, in fact on its own it can be interrupted by counter pokes and many normals.
It's a 50/50. It does not matter how good I am or what I'm thinking in the moment, it is a 50/50!as you said if she does it over and over again on you, then it shouldn't be hard to guess what she does
As I said, most characters in the game can't punish the regular flip, so, if she has one bar, she'll will have a counter-poke situation; if she does not have a bar but she has stamina, she'll be able to do a back dash to avoid the counter-poke situation and she's backdash is one of the best in the game.and you should make him guess since after doing it on you is not plus and in fact it is minus, its your turn, and you can do plenty to stop him.
She gets a counter-poke situation - flip on block into an armored attack.
no matter how you look at it its the opponents turn, and its not a counter poke situation, if they use a fast starter into a 50/50. in the end its up to the opponent, if they want to waist there opertunity and let alien blow meter for a shot, then thats there bad. but any character can really do this.
Mention those safe mixups.
Yep that was my point, against a comment someone made, acting like, only alien had the option to use safe mixups
The low is 21f and the flip is 18f, so, it's just 3 frames of difference, so maybe there's no way to fuzzy guard it.
It can most certainly be fuzzyblocked
It's a 50/50. It does not matter how good I am or what I'm thinking in the moment, it is a 50/50!
the way you said it, was they could do the move over and over almost telegraphing there moves before they did them, in a way i was joking. you got what i ment, what character doenst have a guessing game.
As I said, most characters in the game can't punish the regular flip, so, if she has one bar, she'll will have a counter-poke situation; if she does not have a bar but she has stamina, she'll be able to do a back dash to avoid the counter-poke situation and she's backdash is one of the best in the game.
well i don't think anyone can punish the regular tail flip, but they most certainly can do a mixup on her block to force them to guess a 50/50. seems fair to me, you know the standard back and forth game.
Bitching is not the right word, just making moronic comparisons to a character you know nothing about clearly to try and swing the topic off your stupid ass character would be a more accurate.ohh now im bitching about cage..lmao, i never did such a thing. i could have but never did. name one post in this thread where im bitching about him. if anyone is throwing out false statements its you sir.
incorrect once again, im very familiar with Johnny Alist to be exact.Bitching is not the right word, just making moronic comparisons to a character you know nothing about clearly to try and swing the topic off your stupid ass character would be a more accurate.
so you can make it gapless but still +2 on the low ender? o.0 i thought you couldnt do that type of stuff no more.When timed correctly, you cannot backdash, armor, or poke out of delayed rekkas which in turn you are jailing them. Which makes then safe, and the low ender +2
soso you can make it gapless but still +2 on the low ender? o.0 i thought you couldnt do that type of stuff no more.
Yes and No. Rekkas can still jail, but you won't be positive. You will be -6 with gapless DELAYED rekkas. With MAX delay rekkas, your low ender is +2 but it has gaps everywhereso
Rekka still jails?
@lookgirlitsteejay
and there is no gap?
if this is true Aliens Rekka needs adjustment, that is game breaking and is not fair to any matchup. thought NRS would patch it out right the first time, well goes to show, thats NRS, patch out the wrong thing, or hit the right thing, but not enough and cause many more problems that didn't need to be there. there they go wayving that magic Wand around instead of pin pointing the problem and fixing accordingly.
they did it to Tanya, Cyber Sub Zero, Sektor, Cyrax, Smoke, and now Alien. lets see round to, maybe all of us can round up and find it for them, and maybe this time they might listen to us.
Yup. Still possible lolso you can make it gapless but still +2 on the low ender? o.0 i thought you couldnt do that type of stuff no more.