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Discussion MKXL Post 3/29/16 Tier List Thread

Rude

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
EXILE CoRzz said:
Wtf guys, Mileena's b1 is one of the best footsie tools in the game if not THE best.

Anti airs into full combo, quick recovery, staggers with b12 which both b1 and b12 are both safe, b12 is hit confirmable leading to solid meterless damage...has the reach to whiff punish...
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To say nothing of the fact that during all this, she has the threat of a fast, multi-hitting armor move if she reads a button press.
 
leoj89

leoj89

Apprentice
Let me guess, Akromaniac is too blunt. People get butt hurt and miss the point. Childishness ensues. Am I on the right track ?
 
A F0xy Grampa

A F0xy Grampa

Problem X Promotions
Meep8345 said:
Are you joking? I hope you realize that b1 is an 11f mid that has huge range and isn't that bad on whiff. It goes into staggers,tick throws, and an okayish 50/50. Every character has to 100% change how they play and mileena really limits their options. So now tell me is me doing 112124 ex hat spin as crazy as all of that when it's coming from a normal that I have to be point blank on them and I'm spending bar but mileena is doing that for free. Take erron black vs mileena for example. Did you know erron doesn't have a single button he can press to beat her b1 outside of 21122? She can then abuse her d4 or try to get him to whiff it for huge dmg.
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Did you know that ranges are a thing in mkx? Erron has options, everybody has options against b12, but nobody really wants to play the b12 game properly.
 
Meep8345

Meep8345

Apprentice
A F0xy Grampa said:
Did you know that ranges are a thing in mkx? Erron has options, everybody has options against b12, but nobody really wants to play the b12 game properly.
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Yeah erron can back up and try to get it to whiff obviously but when he is at b1 range he can't really do much it feels. What do you think the best way for erron is to handle it.
 
Zionix

Zionix

AKA Ponkster
A F0xy Grampa said:
Did you know that ranges are a thing in mkx? Erron has options, everybody has options against b12, but nobody really wants to play the b12 game properly.
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I could be wrong but, I think the salt starts because Mileena's options when in the neutral leave her in a position where its extremely difficult to punish her, doesn't cost stamina and she has more options than her opponent, due to how oppressive B1 is.

So when you say "everybody has options", yes they do, but those options generally don't tend to be as safe or easy to space in the neutral as Mileenas options.

Whether this is fair or not is up to the players.
 
thlityoursloat

thlityoursloat

kick kick
EXILE CoRzz said:
Wtf guys, Mileena's b1 is one of the best footsie tools in the game if not THE best.

Anti airs into full combo, quick recovery, staggers with b12 which both b1 and b12 are both safe, b12 is hit confirmable leading to solid meterless damage...has the reach to whiff punish...
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Yet they felt the need to nerf Kano's vanilla B1 to become unviable trash for stagger pressure.
Remember guys, if a mid goes half screen and has monster pushback, it should be -1, but if it hardly has any range and has no pushback (thus making counter pokes that much easier) it should be -8.
 
The_Tile

The_Tile

Your hole is mine!
MsMiharo said:
Summoner got nerfed because the design was stupid. If you think otherwise, then I don't really know what to say.
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But his design is still EXACTLY the same so your point doesn't really have any merit. He's still a glass canon. Summoner was just nerfed because he was way too strong.
 
The_Tile

The_Tile

Your hole is mine!
WakeUp DP said:
Quan is shit. Play me on XBL I'm going to chip you to dead with A-list and Alien or mix you up to dead and won't let you get off the floor with Sonnya, A-list, Alien, Tremor, Takeda etc.

And yes I do know how to play all of them.
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Quan is not shit.

Summoner Quan still has some if the best offense in the game when he gets his momentum going. They left pretty much all of his key tools in tact, just nerfed the reward he gets from it. He's not top tier anymore but he's high tier and more than viable.
 
errormacro7

errormacro7

Official Sonya simp
Alright, I didn't watch the whole video, I skipped to 16:10 and let me see if I can understand this.

Mileena, Alien, Johnny Cage, Sonya, Takeda, Kano and D'vorah are characters who probably have very few losing MUs in their best variation, so that's why they're considered S tier. (Piercing, Acidic or Tarkatan not sure lol, A-list, Demolition, Ronin, Cutthroat and Swarm Queen). The fact that they're all REALLY strong characters is enough for them to be S tier in your list and the fact that they aren't is stupid, but let's just leave it at that.

Now, let's assume that Piercing Mileena is the best variation in the game, has only 1 losing MU and that is against Acidic Alien. But if Mileena switches to, let's say, Ethereal and goes even or beats Acidic, doesn't that make her even stronger?

You're talking about a character in their strongest variation that can use their other variations to back up their bad MUs, but your logic isn't making any sense here regarding some of the placements in your list.
 
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BlackMambaJohn

6ix God
Lol if I'm playing brood mother and am getting bodied I can't spontaneously switch to SQ in the middle of the match. They're the same character but that doesn't mean that brood mother isn't bad. If that were the case I'd be using Quan's portals, a viable low armoured move, and Puggles at the same time but I can't do that. They're different play styles within the same character but they're not the same they're all unique. Variationless tier lists are stupid for that reason.
 
ismael4790

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
BlackMambaJohn said:
Lol if I'm playing brood mother and am getting bodied I can't spontaneously switch to SQ in the middle of the match. They're the same character but that doesn't mean that brood mother isn't bad. If that were the case I'd be using Quan's portals, a viable low armoured move, and Puggles at the same time but I can't do that. They're different play styles within the same character but they're not the same they're all unique. Variationless tier lists are stupid for that reason.
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Finally someone understands.

When you pick a variation, it stays with you the whole match. It doesn't matter if Grandmaster exists while you are playing Unbreakable in a match. Unbreakable is your Sub-Zero in this fight, and Grandmaster virtues are irrelevant until the fight ends.
 
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SOULWARRIOR 71K

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Not saying he's right or wrong but in all fairness even when presented in the most respectful way, when someone posts something on TYM that the masses disagree with, the pitchforks come out almost immediately.
 
YoloRoll1stHit

YoloRoll1stHit

Publicly Educated
A F0xy Grampa said:
Did you know that ranges are a thing in mkx? Erron has options, everybody has options against b12, but nobody really wants to play the b12 game properly.
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Nobody has ever lab B1. They just complain. Like this:

thlityoursloat said:
Remember guys, if a mid goes half screen and has monster pushback, it should be -1, but if it hardly has any range and has no pushback (thus making counter pokes that much easier) it should be -8.
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Because it's 11f mid, not 9f
Except at very close range, after B12 she's at -1, her 6f d1 and 8f d3 CAN'T REACH. She can only do B12 again. Wow -1 on block into 11f mid is so overpowered
I'm not saying Mileena is not S tier because her other tools are good, but she's no way near game breaking or absolute #1 in the game. And in fact, she requires a lot of mind game, tactics and skills to play. You guys complain way too much.
 
chrisisnice

chrisisnice

I'm a lover, not a fighter
Close this one and start a fresh one - this one is such a mess, who knows what anyone is talking about!
 
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